Comments on: Obama’s stem cell switch another setback for U.S. conservatives http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/03/09/obamas-stem-cell-switch-another-setback-for-us-conservatives/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Jon http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/03/09/obamas-stem-cell-switch-another-setback-for-us-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-11135 Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:15:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4620#comment-11135 A faith based educational system? Yeah,..that teaches evolution, the big bang theory, that we evolved from monkeys? How is that faith based? So many people try to say that we are forcing are belief systems upon them, but what about evolutionists? Evolution is not a proven fact. I remember looking at the pictures of evolution from monkeys when I was young in science books and I noticed that the pictures showing the change from that time period with those monkeys having human feet. Why is that? To try to get me to believe something that Darwin himself said would be false when it came to the arguement of sub-species. When it comes to these wars, you cannot always blame it on religion. What about greed or just power? There are millions of christians and muslims in the world who don’t believe in war. That is what I meant when I talked about sancitfiying life. Even the bible says that on that day many will cry Lord, Lord and he tells them he didn’t know them. You can’t say we cause all the problems if there are so many of us against those things. On things getting worse…..How are they getting better? Because you cannot tell me they are. You’re right, God did give us minds to help prevent disease. My personal belief is that an embryo is life. But what about abortion? God surely didn’t give us the right to kill children who didn’t deserve it. I’m not talking about rape victims, I’m talking about those people who just don’t want the responsibility of a child. Once you give that person the right to abort, then it makes it ok for everyone and that’s not right.

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By: victor http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/03/09/obamas-stem-cell-switch-another-setback-for-us-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-11126 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:41:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4620#comment-11126 i argue with the concept of faith-holders having a “sanctification of life.” if this were true, all religions would preach vegetarianism, dissent all wars and abolish the death penalty. but they don’t. religions promote wars via ideological differences with the intent on either converting the unfaithful or erasing them from the planet. this does not demonstrate a sanctification of life.

the reason humans have not evolved beyond territorial battles, faith-based battles, from beyond killing animals for sustenance, alleviated famine and disease is 100% due to improper education and a faith-based belief system where uneducated people are making decisions. let’s just take the example of galileo galilei who was put under house arrest for his controversial beliefs that conflicted with the church and were later proved to be true and accepted by the entire world. the uneducated church stopped progress. let me repeat, the CHURCH stopped progress. this is just one example from the 1600’s that demonstrates that faith inhibits intellectual growth. we have 400 more years on top of that and several thousand before that with similar examples. unfortuantely, there isn’t enough memory on this server (nor time in my life) to post them all.

the last comment i want to make directly addresses the statement, “[…] but you just make things worse by trying to take control of life without realizing the consequences that you will eventually face.”

that is completely irrational fear speaking. where is your information that things are getting worse? who is trying to take control? what are the consequences? are the consequences a judgment from some god for keeping people from dying prematurely? from saving people with dehabilitating diseases? are you telling me that some god gave us minds, creativity and the ability to treat disease only NOT to do so? this is about as contrary to a supposed sanctification of life as it can get…

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By: Jon http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/03/09/obamas-stem-cell-switch-another-setback-for-us-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-11112 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:49:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4620#comment-11112 We the “uneducated” of America, voice our opinions because we believe in the sanctifcation of life. If all these atheists want to bash us on the premise of scientific fact, try it. It won’t work. You claim no God, or you try to play his role by doing things like cloning. If you’re so certain of your evolutionist theories and you claim life has been evolving over millions of years, then why is there still war, famine, disease. If we are evolving then we should have improved our way of living by now, but you just make things worse by trying to take control of life without realizing the consequences that you will eventually face.

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By: Mike http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/03/09/obamas-stem-cell-switch-another-setback-for-us-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-11111 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:01:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4620#comment-11111 Christians have long been opponents of rational scientific thought. Look at the ‘Dark Ages,’ supression of discovery, science and rational thought by the Catholic Church for 1000 years. The Protestants did no better. Fanatical Christians in the US want a theocracy devoid of scientific discovery where they can force others to accept their ‘faith’ as science. The earth is flat, not more than 6000 years old, was ‘created’ in 7 days and an ongoing long list of irrational and irrelevant thought. In their world, embryos are people too and should not be ‘killed’… no human life should be taken, unless it is the death penalty or war, then suddenly killing becomes ok. hypocrites as always… ‘Christians’ have killed more people in the name of their religion than Hitler and Stalin combined. Christ must be rolling in his grave, or heaven or wherever you all believe he is.

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By: iloveallofyawl http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/03/09/obamas-stem-cell-switch-another-setback-for-us-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-11110 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:47:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4620#comment-11110 I am VERY thankful to see our new administration making decisions based on science needs as oppossed to the so-called needs of the religious reich. For too long our great country has cowered down and took orders from these religious extremists who in my and many others opinion are as bad as hitler and the extremist muslums. THAT is what our world is facing…extremism from ALL the religios sects. They murder and kill in the name of their god and have since time began. That includes christians, who try to act innocent of blood on their hands. They stand in the streets and yell about OTHER people shedding blood, and try to hide the fact that they have shed more blood than ANYONE…thewy even hung their own god on a cross,,,hahahaha…

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By: victor http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/03/09/obamas-stem-cell-switch-another-setback-for-us-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-11102 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:54:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4620#comment-11102 why are undereducated people (e.g. religious/cult/anarchist/nouveau activist types) science phobic? why is it even remotely possible for people who not only have no concept of the general science, yet less, no concept of the specific science be allowed to make policy on it? that would be like having a whaler making decisions on how to farm. any belief system is dangerous if it doesn’t allow you to make educated decisions. if you’re not educated, then you’re just guessing, aren’t you?

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By: Matt http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/03/09/obamas-stem-cell-switch-another-setback-for-us-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-11101 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:03:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4620#comment-11101 Separation of church and state came from Thomas Jefferson. The USA was not “founded” upon church and state. Freedom from state religion is just one of the many great principles that this country was built upon. The law that came out of that were written to protect the church from the state and allow for freedom of religion. It is a great concept.

That being said, to use this as the final word in an argument is neither logical nor fair. Many decisions for scientific research will bring about moral choices that need to be made. Each company, research group, and lab scientist will have to make moral choices. They will do that based upon their morality. They should listen to what the government recommends and follow it’s laws and use their morality (or religion) to to what they think is right. As I read bioethics, I realize i have much to learn about all of this. If I cannot be influenced by either the church and the state; or only one or the other, where should I turn for good information?

I believe to say that state and church should not discuss these matters can lead to great loss in the advancement of what’s best for all people. So I would recommend keeping the conversation going instead of claiming “separation of church & state” as some kind of wild card or conversation stopper.

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By: Josh Stanton http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/03/09/obamas-stem-cell-switch-another-setback-for-us-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-11100 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:03:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4620#comment-11100 It may be interesting to study the impact that policy changes in Washington impact inter-religious relations and work between conservative and liberal people of faith. The Rev. Dr. Paul Sorrentino recently wrote a wonderful article on the topic of why religious practitioners of different political orientations should still engage in dialogue with each other. I highly recommend checking it out at:

http://irdialogue.org/articles/in-politi cs-articles/why-conservative-believers-s hould-be-involved-with-inter-religious-d ialogue-by-paul-sorrentino/

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By: del http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/03/09/obamas-stem-cell-switch-another-setback-for-us-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-11098 Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:06:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4620#comment-11098 We should be absolutely consistent. No abortions unless a womans life is endangered by the child— no throwing away embryos and no using them to experiment on. Before you call me names I was raped and subsequently made the decision to give birth to and keep a child should I become pregnant. We need to stop playing God, stop cheapening human life. Already we discard poor people like trash on streets to live like animals–even very mentally ill people who have no place to go, stick elderly relatives in nursing homes for our convenience, and get rid of children in the womb because we aren’t ready to rear them (but we were ready to do the act that creates them–just don’t want to take responsibility for the consequences or give up 9 months to bear them and adopt them out). Our society is seeing the dehumanizing of human beings on greater and greater scale as time goes on–this is one more step in that direction–the youngest, the oldest, the poorest, the sickest etc. are expendable. And the categories of ‘expendable’ people multiply as times marches on.

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By: pd http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/03/09/obamas-stem-cell-switch-another-setback-for-us-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-11097 Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:51:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4620#comment-11097 To Al Reaud: I clicked on your link and see that you have a blog that decries the horrible abuse of animals, skinning them for fur etc. But you are ready to combine a human egg and human sperm which creates a human life and then pick that life apart and dissect it and suck out the contents to inject in someones heart or liver to see if it will grow new cells there. I can never understand how people put animals life above human life.

I wonder if a scientists are combining a woman’s egg with a man’s sperm in the same petri dish, witnessing the creation of human life there, then taking out one embryo and putting it under the microscope to use in an experiment, and the next day choosing another embryo and putting it in a woman who wants a baby.

Sophie’s Choice. Difference is Sophie had a conscience.

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