Comments on: Vatican throws down gauntlet to ultra-traditionalist SSPX http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/17/vatican-throws-down-gauntlet-to-ultra-traditionalist-sspx/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: mels http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/17/vatican-throws-down-gauntlet-to-ultra-traditionalist-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-23122 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:49:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6420#comment-23122 I just pray and hope that those in the vatican has not lost their beliefs on the “dogma”. Bishops and priests except those from SSPX seems to have weakened their faith. It can never never and never be wronged. It will be the same yesterday, today and tomorrow…just as Christ is the same yester, today and tomorrow… Satan must have been in the catholic church now… but don’t be afraid, hold on to the the ROSARY and we all will be saved… God bless us all…

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By: Dr John Smythe http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/17/vatican-throws-down-gauntlet-to-ultra-traditionalist-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-13238 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:45:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6420#comment-13238 Sadly, individuals like “Mike” do not understand the only reason we have the Tridentine (Latin) Mass at all today is simply because of the SSPX.

The Moto Proprio to open the Latin Mass to all Priests without their Bishop’s approval was a pre-condition given by the SSPX to talk with Rome about Doctrinal affairs. The same was the case with the lifting of the so-called “excommunications” – it was a pre-condition stated by the SSPX before talks could begin about clearing up the problems in the Church.

Prior to the Moto Proprio the only diocese that would have a Latin Mass supported by the Novus Ordo Bishop would be diocese where the SSPX had a Church or Chapel and was giving the Latin Mass in the first place!

ALL those who appreciate, support and desire the Latin Mass must give thanks where thanks is due – to the SSPX and its four Bishops.

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By: christopher http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/17/vatican-throws-down-gauntlet-to-ultra-traditionalist-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-12765 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:36:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6420#comment-12765 Bp. Williamson’s should never be seen as a social man. His views about social problems may be different. But, He can be punished by pope if he is teaching some heresy which are contradictory to the catholic church’s teachings about truth and if he has no thirst on souls and if misguides his sheaps in spiritual life. But I think, he never does it. Best known to me, many catholic bishops who are attached to vatican undoubtfully, are teaching heresy which are contradictory to the catholic teaching . They teach even against the first commandment which is a truth of holy Trinity declared by the church. Even a faithful cannot doubt it. But some bishops hold all religious symbols when they take charge. And they teach against this truth. But they are never punished.And there is no uproar against them. And they themselves claim vatican punishment against SSPX and Bp. Williamson. According to me only these modern and ultra modern Bishops and clergies are tobe punished by vatican because they always go and talk against The Church’s unchangable teachings. Also catholic church is one church. Even it is one of its characteristics. It can not be considered as two ( one before vatican II and one after Vatican II).Some try to show a new religion in the name of catholic religion and saying all these are Vatican II reforms. Vatican II reforms can never change truth.This new religion makes a faithful a satan instead of making him as an angel.Through out the church the integrity and moral behaviour of faithfuls are going down. Any one who is having a true heart can easily identify this. But Bishop Bernard Bellay cleared in his letter to Pope that sspx is committed to the pope and all its teachings except Vatican II council’s confusing statements which are contradictory to earlier council’s teachings.In bestof my knowledge sspx is fully following and teaching true cathlicism. It is accepting and teaching all catholic truths. It is committed to the pope whenever he is teaching the right thing. It is praying for the Pope in the Mass it celebrates. It disobeys only when he goes wrong and goes against the original catholic teaching, which is a right thing . St Pual even conemned St.Peter when he went wrong. One can easily identify that blocking priestly ordination by vatican is just to encourage modernism(a new religion) and to destry catholism. So according to me SSPX does the right thing by its priestly ordination. There is nothing wrong.

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By: Mike http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/17/vatican-throws-down-gauntlet-to-ultra-traditionalist-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-12757 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:44:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6420#comment-12757 Pope Benedict should just give up with the SSPX. I suspect he wants to stop them from consecrating more bishops and metastasizing. But it’s not worth coddling anti-semites just to contain the growth of a parallel church. The Catholic Church should preserve its morals and ethics rather than be tarnished by a truly questionable organization. Other churches maintain apostolic succession and remain separate from Rome. Let the SSPX wither away on its own accord.

The Latin Mass, in union with Rome, is growing and is a viable alternative. It is the classical liturgy moving in time with the modern church and her new way of seeing other people and the world. My hope is that individual SSPXers put aside their endless arguments over single words from Vatican II documents. Come home to Rome, and live within the ambiguities of today rather than yearn for a Church of the past that will never exist again.

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By: tom hollingsworth http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/17/vatican-throws-down-gauntlet-to-ultra-traditionalist-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-12755 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:58:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6420#comment-12755 I’d like to inform the readers that for most sspx members like myself, opinions about what the Society should do or shouldn’t do are all but ignored. The Church is a mess. The spiritual crisis is real. SSPX Catholics have simply found a way to survive all the nonsense of the post-Conciliar era, and to maintain their true Catholic identity. That’s the long and the short of it.
Of course, whenever SSPX is discussed these days, Bp. Williamson’s alleged “holocaust denial” always comes into the picture. Could someone please lead me to a quote from this bishop indicating in unmistakable language that he has ever clearly denied the Holocaust? I find none.

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By: BoMeister http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/17/vatican-throws-down-gauntlet-to-ultra-traditionalist-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-12753 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:35:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6420#comment-12753 SSPX should and must go ahead and do what it always has done: guarantee there are priests today and tomorrow following Tradition, doing what Catholics have always done for 2000 yrs before “super council” Vatican II.

Catholic libs object to the SSPX doing its Catholic duty but offering no substantive alternative…clown mass ordinations in what may be illicit and invalid rites? They also are quick to adopt protestants and all other religions but have the bogey man for Tradition.

Bishop Fellay 27, Lib Catholics 0.

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By: Brian Mershon http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/17/vatican-throws-down-gauntlet-to-ultra-traditionalist-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-12746 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:49:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6420#comment-12746 Nowhwhere in the statement from the Holy See’s press office did it state that excommunications loomed nor were imminent. So, they did not “throw down the gauntlet” as the attention-grabbing headline states.

The press office merely reaffirmed what the Pope stated in his motu proprio–and which has been the case for years–the SSPX has “illicit” or “ilegitimate” sacraments, including ordinations. This has been the case for years. So why is it newsworthy now? So that Reuters, in another story on this same subject, can continue spreading the lie that Bishop Williams was a “holocaust denier,” when indeed, in his own plain words in the original interview, he was no such thing?

Pope Benedict XVI is not “listening to his critics” when issuing this press release. He is merely reaffirming what he had already affirmed. Why does the media think that their hyperbole and misinformation influences decisions of the Pope in matters of faith and morals? Like the Pope is taking surveys, right? What pride and arrogance on the part of the media.

Boy, is the entire world going to be in for a shock when a temporary canonical solution and faculties are worked out SOON for the SSPX! What hysteria are we going to see from the world’s media outlets!!!

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By: Tom Heneghan http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/17/vatican-throws-down-gauntlet-to-ultra-traditionalist-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-12734 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:34:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6420#comment-12734 Sean, my view about the legitimacy of SSPX ordinations is expressed in the post that started this discussion. Whether you go back and read it or not, you will write back saying you completely disagree and I’ve been utterly defeated. This is a useless ping-pong game so I agree with you on one point: over and out.

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By: Sean Johnson http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/17/vatican-throws-down-gauntlet-to-ultra-traditionalist-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-12729 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:47:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6420#comment-12729 Tom:

I will claim the victory, since in two consecutive responses you (like your protege Bill Clinton) can only resort to assassinating character when you lack the tools to win the srgument.

Fortunately your (few) readers are able to go to the Rorate Coeli website themselves, and see that it was not I who changed a timeline, but as I said twice already, posted their blog which is dated today on their site. If you don’t like that their 6-17 posting contains a four day old article, again, take it up with them.

Now do you have anything intelligent to say (as a completely incompetent and untrained layman) on the complex issues regarding the “legitimacy” of the SSPX ordinations?

If so, you might as well also give us your opinions on epidemiology, astrophysics, and Greek philosophy of the 2nd century AD (as your opinions in these areas will be equally credible).

You are completely defeated. Over and out.

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By: Tom Heneghan http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/17/vatican-throws-down-gauntlet-to-ultra-traditionalist-sspx/comment-page-1/#comment-12728 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:41:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6420#comment-12728 Ted, I’ve stopped posting your comments because you’re simply ranting now. You’re free to debate here as much as you want. We publish all kinds of opinions, as you’ve seen today. But there is a limit and calling me a Stalinist sympathiser and charging me with responsibility for child abuse scandals in the Catholic Church goes way beyond it.

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