Comments on: Religion crowded out in “cloud” of Ayatollah Khamenei’s sermon http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/19/religion-crowded-out-in-cloud-of-ayatollah-khameneis-sermon/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: learningquran http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/19/religion-crowded-out-in-cloud-of-ayatollah-khameneis-sermon/comment-page-1/#comment-23295 Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:59:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6587#comment-23295 I guess that only minority of Iranian wanted to change the majority is there on the other side

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By: Vid http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/19/religion-crowded-out-in-cloud-of-ayatollah-khameneis-sermon/comment-page-1/#comment-12999 Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:26:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6587#comment-12999 Sami Fancy, what’s your problem, seriously? Heneghan made a short and interesting analysis and he nuanced it accordingly, so as not to make any claims he cannot substantiate.

Besides, this is a blog, and honestly speaking, I thought that the short analysis was worth my time.

Just as mr. Heneghan can express himself how he chooses, you can choose which ‘expression’ to spend your time on. You ‘don’t have time’ to click on a link and read something, but you do apparently have time to write two inconsistent tirades.

And as for the admittedly brave Iranian men and women fighting for their rights on the streets; I think they would welcome ANY type of attention right now.

So get over yourself.

As for the comments about the ‘majority’ not wanting change. Which part of the phrase ‘rigged vote’ do you people NOT understand? We have no idea what the ‘majority’ wanted. Besides, even if the majority wants something, it doesn’t mean it can just TAKE it. The word democracy comes from the Greek words demos (people) and cratia (rule), or rule of the people, not rule of the majority.

This is why in democracies we have both a constitution (and Iran’s ruling class is CLEARLY violating the country’s own constitution right now), and respect for the minority. In ANY healthy Western democracy, if over 30% doubt the government to such a degree as those Iranians doubt their own right now, the government would AT LEAST have to address their concerns. The government is supposed to represent all of its people, not just the ones that voted for them.

If such protests took place in my own country (The Netherlands), the government would FALL.

Besides, what is their problem in organizing a second presidential run-off? If 65% support Ahemadajan, wouldn’t he win again?

And finally, Naim above posted “If they view these countries through view angle of Islamic religion and culture then nothing will seem wrong.”. Now I’m not an expert on the Holy Qur’an, but I’m pretty sure that the following acts are considered SINS from an Islamic point of view:

– Killing muslims (especially if they do you no actual harm)
– Assuming power under the pretense of doing God’s bidding (i.e. positioning yourself as ‘God’)
– Lying
– Stealing
– …

Islam might be a democratic religion, but Islamic regimes are generally as criminal and autocratic as Soviet ones were. Both have philosophies that are rooted in absolutism. Just in the same way as Christianity is a democratic religion, but we wouldn’t want a bunch of priests who pretend to have a direct ‘hot line’ to God, running our lives.

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By: sami fancy http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/19/religion-crowded-out-in-cloud-of-ayatollah-khameneis-sermon/comment-page-1/#comment-12895 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:37:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6587#comment-12895 typical pretentious response mr. Heneghan

‘ I don’t know where you get the idea that this is any attempt to “profit at all turns from the suffering of ordinary people.” ‘

let me spell it out for you. you post an article with a bold headline through the well linked Reuters network that suggests that you have uncovered something highly insightful or unique, at a time when people, many with relatives in the middle of the fray, are desperately searching for anything that might help them gauge the way the next hours and days will unfold, and others, who are deeply sympathetic with the brave young iranian women and men, interested to learn more about a culture we know little about.

so the reality is that you generated a bold headline to draw unsuspecting users to your ostensibly insightful wordle ‘cloud’ analysis of Khamenei’s speech, while not even investigating or placing in context the nature of those sermons in general or consulting someone with a grounding in the regional context.

just silly and shallow, thus my use of the word gratuitous. perhaps i should add self-serving.

yes it is a blog, but that doesn’t mean pedestrian analyses will go unrecognized.

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By: homequran http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/19/religion-crowded-out-in-cloud-of-ayatollah-khameneis-sermon/comment-page-1/#comment-12878 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:39:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6587#comment-12878 I guess that only minority of Iranian wanted to change

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By: TJ http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/19/religion-crowded-out-in-cloud-of-ayatollah-khameneis-sermon/comment-page-1/#comment-12865 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:13:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6587#comment-12865 Loved the cloud with the emphasis on people. Reminds me of a speech I read by Hazrat Abu Bakr Sjddiq, the first Caliph. “Now that I have been elected your Caliph, although I am no better than you. Co-0perate with me if I am right: set me right if I go astray. Truth is a trust, falsehood is a treason….” He goes on putting the emphasis on people and their ‘Trust,’ which I noticed barely made the grade in the cloud. It begs the question: Would rigging an election, even one held between pre selected candidates, be considered a falsehood? If so then, who would the falsehood be against? The state, or the people?

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By: Nain http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/19/religion-crowded-out-in-cloud-of-ayatollah-khameneis-sermon/comment-page-1/#comment-12861 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:29:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6587#comment-12861 I would like to add my analysis that why the other countries think that their definition of democracy is correct. The USA, Uk and other west countries, why not reflect their claimed wide vision of viewing the other countries especially muslim countries through their ( from Islamic view ) angle. If they view these countries through view angle of Islamic religion and culture then nothing will seem wrong. No doubt Islam is the most democratic religion and is the only religion which presents strong accoutability from leaders than any other system. West wants that these countries should implement the democracy with out Islamic religion like them they have enclosed the religion in churches only. Where as Islam present democracy according to rules set by Islam/Quran/Hadith. Therefore Islam cannot be seperated from democracy but also total western style democracy is not appplicable in Muslim countries.

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By: John http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/19/religion-crowded-out-in-cloud-of-ayatollah-khameneis-sermon/comment-page-1/#comment-12860 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:10:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6587#comment-12860 Maurice, I would like to quote Henry Thoreau “…a government in which the majority rule in all cases cannot be based on justice, even as far as men understand it”. If the majority was never forced to yield to a minority, there would be no woman’s suffrage or civil rights movement. And do you really think this election was ligament? Mousavi lost his home province by a landslide, that would be like Obama beating McCain in Arizona. The polls had Mousavi in such a strong lead before the election that the results certainly look suspicious.

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By: I and I http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/19/religion-crowded-out-in-cloud-of-ayatollah-khameneis-sermon/comment-page-1/#comment-12859 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:38:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6587#comment-12859 mordezlet, you forget about all the people on the “right” still trying to dispute Obama’s presidency, either on the grounds that he did not correctly take the oath of office or that he is not a natural born citizen. The defeated will always look for some kind of victory, regardless of political views. This isn’t some kind of plot by the left, this is countless Iranians demanding to be heard. As far as “violence from the Left is beginning to break-down the democratic process” goes, I think your full of it, I don’t remember any “violent” protest from the left after 00 or 04, or violence from the right after 08. As far as Iran goes there is no “democratic process”, it’s a theocracy. The government is run by a supreme leader that is not elected, and any time a population goes up against an unelectable ruler, there is violence (even in our own history).

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By: Maurice http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/19/religion-crowded-out-in-cloud-of-ayatollah-khameneis-sermon/comment-page-1/#comment-12858 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:01:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6587#comment-12858 An Iranian just explained to me inIran the poltical parties can have extreme views unlike in America we have two political parties and both tend to follow the middle way.
Surprising to me is the West is so much focused on the minority group in Iran who actually LOST the elections and now are causing trouble in the streets.
Just as what happened to Hamas it is not the majority of people who elected the party but the party who the West has interests in which win the support of the West.

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By: brian lee http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/06/19/religion-crowded-out-in-cloud-of-ayatollah-khameneis-sermon/comment-page-1/#comment-12855 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:32:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=6587#comment-12855 today a bombing on a mosque in iraq kills 70 muslims,and looking at what is going on in iran, also how many places in the world are we seeing muslims killing muslims?because of disagreement about their own interpretation of their faith.this to me seems to validate the prophetic message that the angel gave hager when the came to the aid of her and her son ishmael in genesis,that the sons of ishmael would always kill each other.

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