Comments on: Prominent cardinal backs coup and rule of law in Honduras http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/07/10/prominent-cardinal-backs-coup-and-rule-of-law-in-honduras/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Alan http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/07/10/prominent-cardinal-backs-coup-and-rule-of-law-in-honduras/comment-page-1/#comment-15842 Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:44:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=7055#comment-15842 Honduras stood up against the coup plotter Mel Zelaya, who got his support from the entrenched super-rich and super-powerful and of course robbing millions from the programs for the poor. This International Socialist Mafia cynically pushing so-called “socialism” in the name of the poor to make sure the poor can never overthrow their tyranny.And of course these socialists hate the “petit bourgeousie” most of all because they show that the best thing to do for the poor is to make sure these oppressors stop harassing small businesses and hanging them with too much government.–Socialism is a rich man’s trickk to oppress the poor, just like Zelaya screwed the poor in Honduras, and Chavez in Venezuela.And like the super-capitalists like Armand Hammer and the Rockefellers and the Warburgs who made back-alley deals to make sure the Bolsheviks didn’t collapse from their abuse of the workers and the poor.–Now comes super-billionaire Chavez ally George Soros who never saw an oppressive dicatorial tyrant he didn’t give gobs of money to with strings..–aec

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By: Kirk Hamilton http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/07/10/prominent-cardinal-backs-coup-and-rule-of-law-in-honduras/comment-page-1/#comment-14085 Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:50:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=7055#comment-14085 If anything resists change long enough, it will destroy itself. If the goal of the spiritual life is transformation, why does the Church side with conservatives? For an eye-opening look into how far the Church will go to serve the right, read, ” Hitler’s Pope,The Secret History Of Benedict XIII”.

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By: Folklight http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/07/10/prominent-cardinal-backs-coup-and-rule-of-law-in-honduras/comment-page-1/#comment-14071 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:26:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=7055#comment-14071 Honduras has drawn a line for democracy and rule of law.Hya says:”The Vatican seems to prefer to have their priests who support the cause of the poor murdered by military gangsters rather than offend the rich and powerful. This has been the tradition in Latin America”…I’m not Catholic but I do remember much discussion of “liberation theology” emanating from Rome; It’s soft Marxism.http://www.christendom-awake.org  /pages/ratzinger/liberationtheol.htm~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~B TW…just how did Zelaya, a very wealthy man, make life better “for the poor”? Has Chavez improved life “for the poor”?Christ said the poor will always be with us, the best human government can do is to educate (not indoctrinate) and codify law that is equally and justly enforced while protecting all.

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By: Hya http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/07/10/prominent-cardinal-backs-coup-and-rule-of-law-in-honduras/comment-page-1/#comment-13672 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:23:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=7055#comment-13672 Not surprising that the Cardinal backs the conservative Capitalists and will not support those who make life better for the poor in their society. The Vatican seems to prefer to have their priests who support the cause of the poor murdered by military gangsters rather than offend the rich and powerful. This has been the tradition in Latin America.

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By: VoteTheDay http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/07/10/prominent-cardinal-backs-coup-and-rule-of-law-in-honduras/comment-page-1/#comment-13613 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:11:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=7055#comment-13613 What is your opinion on the situation in Honduras? Give your vote either for or against Zelaya – http://www.votetheday.com/honduras/hondu ras-crisis-434/

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By: brian http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/07/10/prominent-cardinal-backs-coup-and-rule-of-law-in-honduras/comment-page-1/#comment-13598 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:29:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=7055#comment-13598 a cardinal backing a coup…this should immediately disqualify him for any public role at all in the church.Backs a coup and the rule of law. Thats a contradiction ,unless we see the LAW as being a creation of rich elite whites.

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By: brian http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/07/10/prominent-cardinal-backs-coup-and-rule-of-law-in-honduras/comment-page-1/#comment-13597 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:17:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=7055#comment-13597 The ouster was not legal at all. What it was ws an effort to maintain the status quo. The following clarification from John Ross is helpful:’Mel Zelaya’s forcible removal from power was set in motion by a proposed popular consultation asking voters whether or not they favored rewriting the Honduran constitution, a document that heavily serves the interests of the oligarchy. If the yes vote carried, the measure would have been placed on the upcoming November 29h ballot’http://www.counterpunch.org/ross0 7102009.htmlNow we have roman catholkoc cardinal backing a coup! And he expects to be the next pope…miught be embarrassing for a future pope to back aracist govt:\'”He negociado con maricones, prostitutas, con ñángaras (izquierdistas), negros, blancos. Ese es mi trabajo, yo estudié eso. No tengo prejuicios raciales, me gusta el negrito del batey que está presidiendo los Estados Unidos.”——–“I have negotiated with queers, prostitutes, leftists, blacks, whites. This is my job, I studied for it. I am not racially prejudiced. I like the little black sugar plantation worker who is president of the United States.”Here’s how ambassador Llorens responded:As the official and personal representative of the president of the United States of America, I convey my deep outrage about the unfortunate, disrespectful and racially insensitive comments by Mr. Enrique Ortez Colindres about President Barack Obama.Statements like this are deeply outrageous for the American people and for me personally. I am shocked by these comments, which I condemn in the strongest terms. ‘http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/ 7/9/751548/-US-aid-to-Honduras-cut;-raci st-FM-removed

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By: Joaquin Glaesel http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/07/10/prominent-cardinal-backs-coup-and-rule-of-law-in-honduras/comment-page-1/#comment-13545 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:54:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=7055#comment-13545 I work as a consultant in Central America and what Cardinal Rodriguez has expressed is absolutely correct.For reasons too long to explain Latin America seems to be politically motivated to place in power populist demagogues that, at times, seem to be better placed as clowns in a circus. Chavez and his inmature behavior and insulting speech, Ortega who had the best opportunity to make something out of Nicaragua and blew it, the argentinian lady heir who, thank God, seems on her way out and now this cowboy hat clown who was not able to gain the least bit of political stance without submitting to the Venezuelan demagogue. Thank God we have others like Lula da Silva, Bachelet, Arias, Uribe. After this experience in Honduras, even Morales and Correa seem more pallatable.

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By: brainfood http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/07/10/prominent-cardinal-backs-coup-and-rule-of-law-in-honduras/comment-page-1/#comment-13543 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:29:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=7055#comment-13543 Interestingly, the Honduran Constitution of 1982 does provide for loss of citizenship for those who “incite, promote or aid in the continuation or re-election of the President” http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions  /Honduras/hond05.html (article 42):ARTICULO 42.- La calidad de ciudadano se pierde: 5. Por incitar, promover o apoyar el continuismo o la reelección del Presidente de la República.Further, Article 239 indicates that anyone who has held the office of chief executive cannot be president or vice president and anyone who proposes reform to that prohibition can be barred from holding public office for ten years: ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la República. El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de inmediato en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán inhabilitados por diez años para el ejercicio de toda función pública.My educated guess on that provision is that it is aimed move at banning past military dictators from pursuing the office than it is a stricture contra re-election, per se.Additionally, Article 374 bars any amendments regarding the length of the presidential term (amongst other things:ARTICULO 374.- No podrán reformarse, en ningún caso, el artículo anterior, el presente artículo, los artículos constitucionales que se refieren a la forma de gobierno, al territorio nacional, al período presidencial, a la prohibición para ser nuevamente Presidente de la República, el ciudadano que lo haya desempeñado bajo cualquier título y el referente a quienes no pueden ser Presidentes de la República por el período subsiguiente.As such, it is pretty clear why the Supreme Court of Justice ruled against Zelaya’s plebiscite proposal in the first place. It also means that if the vote had been allowed to happen it would have had no legal standing.

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By: Mark Combs http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/07/10/prominent-cardinal-backs-coup-and-rule-of-law-in-honduras/comment-page-1/#comment-13540 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:38:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=7055#comment-13540 It is impossible to argue with Rodriguez’s reasoning. He makes more sense than anyone I’ve heard or read. If it was up to the the liberal, leftist leaning Obama-Clinton administration and our misguided fellows down at the Carter Center, Honduras would be hung out to dry.

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