Obama accuses some healthcare critics of “bearing false witness”

August 19, 2009

U.S. President Barack Obama enlisted the “Religious Left” on Wednesday to help galvanise public support for his faltering drive for healthcare reform, using the language of faith as he accused some of the critics of his biggest domestic project of “bearing false witness.”


Obama made a brief pitch to a “call in” organised by various liberal and progressive faith groups called “40 minutes for Health Reform.” It is part of  a campaign launched last week to counteract a movement to stop “Obamacare” that has been driven in part by conservative Christian activists.

“There has been a lot misinformation in this debate and there are some folks out there who are frankly bearing false witness,” Obama said.

Obama took issue with some of the most emotive allegations that have been raised by social conservative opponents of his vision for overhauling America’s healthcare and health insurance system.

This notion that somehow we are setting up death panels that would decide on whether elderly people get to live or die  … that is just an extraordinary lie.”

You’ve heard that this is all going to mean government funding of abortions. Not true,” he said.

Liberal people of faith helped to propel Obama to power but it remains to be seen if they can make the difference on healthcare reform.

“In the weeks ahead the nation will hear a steady moral drum beat from the faith community,” said Jim Wallis, a leading liberal evangelical of the activist Christian group Sojourners. The campaign will include prayer meetings, sermons and nationwide TV ads.

They face a competing chorus from the Religious Right which has focused on the allegation that Obama’s healthcare plan will lead to federal funding for abortion — a point denied by the president and many of his supporters (see previous blog).  But it is an issue that can gin up the Republican Party’s conservative Christian base.

In America, both the political left and right must often appeal to people of faith because of the country’s high rates of religious belief.

(Photo: U.S. President Barack Obama holds a town hall meeting about healthcare at the Kroger Supermarket in Bristol, Virginia July 29, 2009.  REUTERS/Larry Downing (UNITED STATES)


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He claims his critics are bearing false witness?
What did he campaign on? Public Option? Where did it go?
Who’s false?

As for the “Religious Left” they better look at healthcare like ‘THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR” who set HIS example on how he viewed Health Care 2000 years ago;

he healed all for free.
He went among the sick and poor, the wretched and weak,
he healed all because he simply loved them.

How much is the “Religious Left’s” policies going to cost? Yet they believe in GOD?

Who is ‘Bearing false witness’ now?

Posted by C.D. Walker | Report as abusive

time to get this done without the Republicans. Why are people like Grassley still part of the picture? He knows that no matter what he comes up with the majority of Republicans will not vote for it and neither will he. As he himself stated. There are a couple of related posts at http://iamsoannoyed.com/?page_id=588

Posted by carly | Report as abusive

President Obama has the support of real Christians in America. This is very smart for him to call on these real Christians to work for improving America’s health care. The far right republican so-called Christians are so full of hate and political objectives that they have lost their way if they ever had the right Christian way. God is not a republican, and he is watching as republicans do everything to harm this country.

Posted by Vicki | Report as abusive

Please excuse the pun–but isn’t this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? Remember all those speeches about transparancy,an honest White House, no more earmarks or favoritism, serving the will of the American people? I’m afraid Mr.Obama wouldn’t recognize the truth if it jumped up and bit him!

Posted by dprosenthal | Report as abusive

Two big problems: the medical-congressional complex and the narcissism of Americans. The former is obvious – healthcare lobbying and contributions to campaigns. The latter is about rationed care. If you go to your NHS doctor in the UK with congestive heart failure, you’re probably just going to get medicated. In the US, you get the meds AND you are placed on the transplant list. Meanwhile, a working mother talked on NPR about filling her cavities with beeswax as she could not afford to go to a dentist. Wake up, America!

Posted by Peter Bloch | Report as abusive

NO CO-OP’S! A Little History Lesson

Young People. America needs your help.

More than two thirds of the American people want a single payer health care system. And if they cant have a single payer system 76% of all Americans want a strong government-run public option on day one (85% of democrats, 71% of independents, and 60% republicans). Basically everyone.

Our last great economic catastrophe was called the Great Depression. Then as now it was caused by a reckless, and corrupt Republican administration and republican congress. FDR a Democrat, was then elected to save the nation and the American people from the unbridled GREED and profiteering, of the unregulated predatory self-interest of the banking industry and Wallstreet. Just like now.

FDR proposed a Government-run health insurance plan to go with Social Security. To assure all Americans high quality, easily accessible, affordable, National Healthcare security. Regardless of where you lived, worked, or your ability to pay. But the AMA riled against it. Using all manor of scare tactics, like Calling it SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!! :-0

So FDR established thousands of co-op’s around the country in rural America. And all of them failed. The biggest of these co-op organizations would become the grandfather of the predatory monster that all of you know today as the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance industry. And the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT healthcare industry.

This former co-op would grow so powerful that it would corrupt every aspect of healthcare delivery in America. Even corrupting the Government of the United States.

This former co-op’s name is BLUE CROSS/BLUE SHIELD.

Do you see now why even the suggestion of co-op’s is ridiculous. It makes me so ANGRY! Co-op’s are not a substitute for a government-run public option.

They are trying to pull the wool over our eye’s again. Senator Conrad, if you don’t have the votes now, GET THEM! Or turn them over to us. WE WILL! DEAL WITH THEM. Why do you think we gave your party Control of the House, Control of the Senate, Control of the Whitehouse. The only option on the table that has any chance of fixing our healthcare crisis is a STRONG GOVERNMENT-RUN PUBLIC OPTION.

An insurance mandate and subsidies without a strong government-run public option choice available on day one would be worse than the healthcare catastrophe we have now. The insurance, and healthcare industry have been very successful at exploiting the good hearts of the American people. But Congress and the president must not let that happen this time. House Progressives and members of the Tri-caucus must continue to hold firm on their demand for a strong Government-run public option.

A healthcare reform bill with mandates and subsidies but without a STRONG government-run public option choice on day one, would be much worse than NO healthcare reform at all. So you must be strong and KILL IT! if you have too. And let the chips fall where they may. You can do insurance reform without mandates, subsidies, or taxpayer expense. Healthcare reform should be 100% for the American people. Not another taxpayer bailout of the private for profit insurance industry, disguised as healthcare reform for the people.

God Bless You

Jacksmith — Working Class

Twitter search #welovetheNHS #NHS Check it out

(http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0 7/25/why-markets-cant-cure-healthcare/)

Posted by jacksmith | Report as abusive

Dear President Obama,
The Bible teaches that CHRISTIANS should care for one another – not the GOVERNMENT, but you wouldn’t know that.

Considering how wide the gap is between what you stand for and the teaching in the Bible, you fit the description provided by the apostle Paul in his second letter to Timothy. Paul says “men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” Your position on abortion, homosexuality and other issues (and your own mocking of the Bible), fits the description. And Pauls calls these people “evil men and impostors.”

Spurgeon wrote “It were a sad dishonour to a child of God to be the world’s favourite. It is a very ill omen to hear a wicked world clap its hands and shout ‘Well done’ to the Christian man.”

An orginary citizen
(or what you would call an astroturf right-wing extremist)

p.s. When the federal government (FEMA) failed during Katrina, which organizations succeeded: The Red Cross; The Salvation Army, Catholic Charities; Southern Baptist. Christian organizations ministering to those in need.

Posted by N Waff | Report as abusive

Religion has nothing to do with it. True morality does.

The main reason why support for Obama’s health-care reform proposals is falling with the deciding swing middle that voted for Obama last year is because it’s becoming increasingly apparent that such proposals do not emphasize medical/dental procedure cost-reduction to the win-win betterment of those who both provide and receive the care — such as through tort reform to reduce malpractice premium overhead.

Self-serving party dogma instead is driving the issue, specifically, the democrat leaning toward a single-payer insurance system (public insurance to mollify the plebes by cutting reimbursement to health-care providers while gold-plated private insurance always, always, always will be available for those who can afford additional and better).

If this year as a service provider you had to first clear $100,000 in arbitrary and imposed expenses for your services before even getting to the starting point where you begin work on breaking even for your services, which is STILL far short of the point where you actually make some profit, you would understand what is going on. Instead, Obama Magnificat has led many into the high moral hazard of thinking that others should work for free to provide them with the things they need.

To make it more personal to you: If you earn say $40K per year, what would happen if tomorrow someone imposed an additional $10K of living expenses on you? You’d have to get a job paying at least $55K per year to after-tax afford that extra $10K of living expenses — and find that new job in or out of your field — just to tread water.

Posted by dom youngross | Report as abusive

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vicki, do you think rev, Wright, Obama,s his former spiritual adviser will be back on the scene? is he one of the real christians you are talking about? He was OK with abortions and gay marriage etc.

Posted by brian lee | Report as abusive

All you have to do is look at the Rasmussen polls to see that Americans…hey, what the????

A new Rasmussen poll finds that public support for reform legislation “collapses” if it doesn’t include a public plan:

“Just 34% of voters nationwide support the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats if the so-called “public option” is removed. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 57% oppose the plan if it doesn’t include a government-run health insurance plan to compete with private insurers.”


Posted by getplaning | Report as abusive

Let’s set up the Equation !

1. All across the spectrum share the urgent need for the reform as the course today is financially unsustainable. By the way, how do we pay for it ?
Let’s make it affordable while improving quality.

2. Of all choices on the table, savings via efficiency is the best, and Removing Wastes alone is Enough to Meet the Goal.

As one instance, please visit http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story .php?storyId=111967435, you will be stunned !

No one knows just how much medical fraud there is, and estimates range from from $600 to $6000 billion over the next decade lost to it.
And, in May 2009, the Obama administration announced a new task force made up of officials from the Department of Justice and the Department of Health
and Human Services to work on health care fraud.

3. Much Room For Savings !

Many reformers recognized roughly 30 percent of all health-care spending in the U.S. -some $700 billion a year- might be wasted on medical abuse, unnecessary procedures, unnecessary visits to the doctor, overpriced pharmaceuticals, bloated insurance companies, and the most inefficient paper billing systems imaginable, and payment reform could solve this problem.

Provided the American people pay around twice the amount of the efficient systems, the result is still well below them, the ratio of waste might be estimated to far more than 50% in the U.S.

Let’s be conservative regarding the ratio. Even If as little as 10% of savings apply to the combined Medicare and Medicaid cost of $923.5bn per year, as of July, the savings of $923.5bn over the next decade are possible.

And when these savings add to the already allocated $583 billion, the savings of wastes involving so called “doughnut hole” , the unnecessary subsidies for insurers, medical abuse, exorbitant costs by the tragic ER visits etc, the concern over revenue might be a thing of the past.

As a matter of fact, with the promising redesign in the pipeline, some patient-focused clinics in 10 regions have already achieved 16% of savings in Medicare while their quality scores are well above average.

Please be ‘sure’ to visit http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/opinio n/13gawande.html?hp for credible evidences !

Thankfully, the provisions in the reform include more expansive, systematic policies such as ‘a patient’s outcome-based payment system’ than they have. I for one firmly believe this American innovation, ‘a patient’s outcome-based payment system’ , is capable of turning profit-oriented practices into patient-focused system / value.
Dr. Armadio at Mayo clinic says, “If we got rid of that stuff (waste), we save a third of all that we spend and that is 2.5 trillion dollars on health care. A third of that and that is 700 billion dollars a year. That covers a lot of uninsured people.”
Please visit http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article. aspx?storyid=820455&catid=391 for detailed infos

— Americans’ Best Friends Are The Envy Of The Planet ! —
— Except For The Underinsured, The Uninsured Alone outnumber The Entire Population In Canada —

4. Some say, if the reform package is affordable and improve quality, then the inflation/bankruptcy-oriented market can not last, thereby competition should begin with our unfair, unsustainable market value, or let’s make another insurer-friendly scheme, even though the inflation/bankruptcy-oriented market share the need for change.


The runaway premium similar to the peak fuel price last year and left so many folks in despair insists on staying the course with the attitude ‘unchanged’, clearly this trend could bankrupt individual, business, and government. Now the government subsequently is tasked with these two main assignments, first, to address premium inflation, second, to expand coverage to all in urgent need.

In order to cover all and not to add to the deficit, the public option can not set the same rates of private market, rather, it needs to have BALANCING function to keep it in check in terms of INFLATION, too. Unfortunately, this ‘unavoidable’ direction is aggressively being accused by the runaway premium, citing government ‘take-over’ .

Under the circumstances the energy bill to determine human future and the other major issues are presently piled up, who wants to waste time making enemies ?, which also does not benefit the forthcoming election.

with the heartbreaking tears in mind (Nearly 11 Million Cancer Patients Without Health Insurance), private market also needs changes and should join together to complete this reform , as promised, otherwise, the runaway premium only has itself to blame while new firms are filling the void with competitive deals.
And It can be said that fair competition starts with a fair, sustainable market value.

However, Job-based coverage (indirect payment) and a limitation code over transfer, mandate code, and ample capital, reduced ER costs, IT base to streamline the administrative processes and trim the costs might be favorable to the private market. Over time, supposedly, the public plan will concentrate more on basic, primary cares, and the private insurers will provide their clients with differentiated services.

Let me repeat; No More Health Catrina !

— Americans’ Best Friends Are The Envy Of The Planet ! —
— Except For The Underinsured, The Uninsured Alone outnumber The Entire Population In Canada —

Thank Kou !

Posted by hsr0601 | Report as abusive

“This is very smart for him to call on these real Christians to work for improving America’s health care.”

If that’s what was actually the driving force for reform, then perhaps Obama’s desire for change would be okay. However, the changes proposed are a death sentence to many Americans, and Vicki, calling the liberal Christians “real” is a bit narrow-minded, don’t you think?

I am not a Republican, and I do not consider myself a member of the “religious Right,” however these health care changes span the gamut–across political lines, religious lines, ethnic lines. These changes would be some of the worst things to EVER happen to America, and I’m counting 9/11 and the Great Depression in that list.

Posted by Mark | Report as abusive

Oh, please, Mr. Obama is now quoting scripture to sell his health care disaster? He hasn’t even picked out a Church to go to yet! Disingenuous to say the least, hypocritical is more like it. Of course, he doesn’t tell you this but if you look at the implications of this particular piece of legislation, the poor would be the first to get substandard care. OK, let’s see him put on his “Christian” hat for the people that can’t see the forest through the trees. This is embarrassing and an insult to the intelligence of Americans. This health care bill is straight out of the mouth of hell. YES, WE NEED REFORM………WE DON’T NEED THIS!!! This particular piece of legislation is not at all about health care and everything about government control. This bill would be disastrous for Americans.

Posted by Taylee | Report as abusive

It’s amazing, the US ranks 37th by the WHO in health care. But, maybe not, when you see companies spending billions of dollars on advertising their products to people they could care less about, they only care about the bottom line figures… Look at Madoff ripped off friends and family… Look at these pharmaceutical companies spending billions of dollars on advertising ‘their’ pills to stop stomach bloating… what a joke, you have to laugh at this system. it is a joke!

Posted by beth s | Report as abusive

getplaning. Let’s be honest. You gave a partial statistic from Rasmussen (who you never believe). Either way, Americans are strongly opposed to any health care plan mucking through congress. I will provide the rest of the story from Rasmussen:

“Without the public option, just 50% of Democrats support the legislation. That’s down from 69% support measured a week ago. But here the enthusiasm gap is especially strong. A week ago, polling found that 44% of Democrats Strongly favored the reform plan. Without the public option, just 12% of Democrats Strongly support it.

Minus the government insurance option, 68% of Republicans remain opposed to the plan, down from 79%.

As for those not affiliated with either major party, 70% are opposed if the public option is dropped. That’s up from 62% in the previous survey.”

No matter how you look at it, republicans and independents give a resounding “thumbs down” to any reform legislation.

Within the democratic party, it just proves the democrats can’t get their act together. Either it is the “blue dogs” or the liberals fighting with each other and will never come to agreement on this issue. The independents and republicans are not even a factor, because everyone knows the democrats don’t even need one single vote to pass this health care mess.

So, you are partially correct. But overall, the numbers show a resounding….NO, NO HEALTH CARE REFORM!!!

Posted by TC | Report as abusive

God bless you Mr. President. Thank you for being a gentleman and showing the high morals of the true Americans while the wolves in sheep’s clothing continue to lie and deceive. It is obvious that they do not care for us Americans; they have a political ambition to break you. We, the educated, hard-working middle-class are behind you 100%! Do not give into coops. The public option is a proven approach, elimination of waste and increase in efficiency is the right way to move forward – INNOVATE! DO NOT STAGNATE!

hsr0601 – beautiful post my friend; you have hit the nail right on the head! Demand-supply, competition, disintermediation, all these proven basic concepts are effected by the public option.

As to you folks who complain of too much spending, get this – to boost an economy you NEED TO SPEND! The President is spending on all right things, rescue packages, mortgage refinancing, education, health-care, transport, infrastructure.

Get this – the budget deficit has been reduced by USD 250b! Thanks to the effective rescue packages USD 250b of spending does not need to be spent anymore. Thats a staggering amount and within the first year too! Do not be fooled by all the false propaganda and witnesses – America is back on track, we NEED TO STICK TOGETHER AND SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT.


Posted by Dennis | Report as abusive

[…] yesterday, the faux Messiah decided to wax Biblical before a group of Christian leftists and demonstrate his stunning grasp of his God’s word. […]

Posted by Obama’s God Delusion – bs’s blog – RedState | Report as abusive

I am a real christian, and if President Obama is so adamant about this bill not giving government funding to abortion, why does it not limit it. Remember it is not just what is in the bill but what is not, if the government does not limit their power it is unlimited, therefore if it does not deny them the ability to fund abortion then they CAN FUND ABORTION.

One other thing that no one seems to want to talk about is their unlimited access to our bank accounts and financial records, which again they did not limit it so it is unlimited. And no administrative or judicial review of payment rates or methodology, so they can charge whatever they want, whenever they want, and however they want and no one can stop them.

Lastly, the main problem I have with this bill and the people who support it is that no one can answer why, if this bill is so good, are Congress and the President not required to be under it. The government should have no right to vote on a bill that affects the lives of American citizens if they are not affected themselves. If you want complete coverage in a healthcare bill require that Congress have only that healthcare plan. No private insurance allowed if the plan doesn’t cover it they pay for it out of pocket, that would give us complete healthcare coverage.

Posted by Joel | Report as abusive

Typical Obama. Won’t attend any events on “National Prayer Day”, but will now “go religious” when it’s “convenient” for his agenda. This guy has no moral compass.

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Posted by terryfrank.net » Obama Pulls Out the Bible To Sell Health Care | Report as abusive

I’d like to relate a story. Many years ago in Saskatchewan (a Canadian province) a young woman died in childbirth. Her distraught husband hung himself. A baptist minister by the name of Tommy Douglas resolved that never again should such a tragedy repeat itself. He entered politics on behalf of the CCF party and in time became the premier of the province. He set about introducing ‘socialized’ medicine. All people, rich or poor, young or old shall have access to ‘free’ healthcare (paid by tax revenues, of course). The battle was long and hard; doctors opposed it, drug companies opposed it, the insurance companies opposed it. The same vicious clatrap that is heard today was directed against it. He persevered and Saskatchewan got ‘socialized’ medicine. Within days of passing the enabling legislation, opposition to socialized medicine stopped. The doctors realized that they would always get paid. They would not have to wait and wait and never receive payment. It was a win-win situation. People got access to healthcare and the doctors got paid. The losers were the insurance companies. ‘Socialized’ medicine spread from province to province across Canada; and in each province the same battles were fought over and over again. But in time everyone, even the Conservatives (akin to Republicans)saw the wisdom of ‘socialized’ medicine.
It’s simple in practice. You got to the doctor for an ailment or you’re pulled from a car wreck, the healthcare providers complete the necessary forms and they get paid. You are not presented with any forms or demands for payment. If you get cancer, you get treated. There’s no excuse for denying you treatment, like ‘pre-disposing’ condition. If you get AIDS, you get treated. Drugs are a lot cheaper because generics are used wherever possible and prices are negotiated with the provincial authorities.
It is this personal self interest as exemplified by a hysterical man screaming about whether this would impact his pay cheque. Yes, it would impact his pay cheque. The amount that he pays for healthcare would go down. Canadians pay 10% of the GDP for healthcare. Americans pay 17% of the GDP plus another 3% for legal costs associated with denying benefits. Moreover, he would continue to receive healthcare even if he had no pay cheque.
It’s unfortunate that Americans do not follow Jesus’ commandment when he said to ‘love thy neighbour’. You would all benefit.

Posted by Peter Lewycky | Report as abusive

I’m confused about the Government’s health care reform initiative. I have listened to all of the five second sound bytes (that’s all the time I have) trying to weed out the garbage that has been spewed and get down to the core facts. How much will it cost me…just me…not America in general…but just me. I’m willing to pay my fair share. I want my employer out of the health care industry as it stands today because it drives too much cost and makes our products uncompetitive in a global marketplace where we compete with foreign manufacturers in countries that have single payer systems.

October first is D-Day for me…I may be one of the employees that is released from employment (fired – I’m trying hard to be professional) as a result of company downsizing. In preparation, we have been to our Doctors office to have all of the appropriate tests done in an effort to survive what may be a long period of time that I am without health insurance. I already know that if I do lose my job…my entire family will be without health insurance because as my Doctor pointed out – there aren’t any affordable options for us.
My husband already lost his job and although he is back to work….is making 60% of what he was earning with no benefits. Based on what friends tell us that have lost their jobs – COBRA will cost me roughly $1100.00 per month. Michigan unemployment benefits = $382.00 per week for me. I hope I don’t have to do the math for you to show you why COBRA is not affordable for us. The bottom line here is that at this time no matter what the cost – we won’t be buying. We will be concentrating our efforts on paying down debt so we can survive long term on a much lower household income.

Today, I pay $117.00 per month premium out of my paycheck for health care insurance along with the normal out of pocket co-pay’s for office visits ($25.00)/prescriptions ($7.00 – $30.00)/emergencies ($30.00-$150.00) etc. My employer pays the balance (just over $1000.00 per month in my estimation). I thought that I had pretty decent health care coverage…but it seems that my health care plan really stinks compared to those I have heard about in the thirty-second sound bytes in the news these days. My choices of Doctors are limited to those that are within the plan. Should my Doctor decide not to participate – I have to find another that is within the plan (already happened once). Hospitals (two of the three are not in the plan) are limited to those within the plan as are after hour clinics. If I need to see a specialist …..again limited to those that are in the plan and my primary Doctor has to agree and issue a referral. The OBGYN that I used to see…not in the plan so I can’t see them anymore. They were considered the best in our area.
That said – when I listen to folks at the town hall meetings voice their complaints/concerns…I’ve come to the conclusion that either my current health care insurance plan is substandard compared to most or the information that is being presented in the media is just not true.
If you ask me today if I am happy with my current plan…the answer is yes. If you ask me today if I am willing to pay the same cost that my employer pays for it without an increase in wages to cover it – the answer is NO. It is not affordable and I’ll take my chances without.

The questions that I need answered:
? What does the Government consider affordable? Is it 5, 10, or 30% of income? I fully expect that if we move to a single payer system that my employer will opt out of providing employer health care insurance – as they should.
? Will I have similar coverage that I have now (ie: out of pocket expenses)?

Posted by Dawn | Report as abusive

Trying to make haste to pass an enormous bill with an enormous price tag only makes people feel that they are being deceived. And when they start to read for themselves and ask questions, they aren’t getting the whole truth. Obama needs to listen to the critics and put into perceptive who is “bearing false witness”.

Posted by Bd | Report as abusive

Peter. Nice flowery overview of your opinion about health care in Canada. Too bad when you reach age milestones, you get letters from the Canadian government informing you of the care you would no longer receive. You also don’t mention the 4 YEAR wait for a procedure, so in the meantime you live in pain. So, it is disturbing you don’t tell the rest of the story. The doctors may get paid, but the people don’t always get adequate care, they wait in long lines to get initial care, which is followed up by a 4 YEAR WAIT to get the treatment they need.

Cancer treatment? Maybe when you are young, but when you hit a certain age, it won’t matter because the government won’t pay for your cancer treatment.

Oh, socialized medicine is great when you don’t have to use it, but try using is as you get older and it is a nightmare.

Reuters ran a story yesterday that explicitly said all socialized government run health care is….RATIONED. it is a fact of life.

Thanks, but no thanks. That isn’t compassion. Jesus healed the sick, but socialized medicine makes the sick live with pain and suffering.

Posted by TC | Report as abusive

There is a lot of hot and sometimes toxic air being blown around this debate on health care reform. As I see it, the Democrats and the Republicans need to come together with constructiuve ideas to achieve the following in a new Healthcare system:

1. How do we get to universal coverage including the 40+ million Americans who have no health coverage at present. Every civilized country in the world has universal health coverage. It is a crime that the US does not.

2. How do we ensure that there is no denial of health coverage to anyone due to any pre-existing conditions or any other inventive excuse that insurance companies routinely come up with in the existing system. What is the difference between the insurance companies telling you what healthcare procedures you can or cannot have compared to a the government telling you so. At least you can vote out the government every 2/4/6 years.

3. How do we ensure that our health coverage is transportable from one job to the other and just as importantly, how do we ensure that we still have healthcare coverage if we lose our jobs

4. If Government supported/funded healthcare works well (not perfectly but well)in other countries such as Canada and the UK (and most seniors would agree Medicare works extremely well here), why can we not put aside our idealogies and craft a system that combines the best of private and government funded healthcare?

5. And finally, how can we make our healthcare system more cost efficient? Mind you, it is not as if we have an ideal system now. So, this is certainly not a case of “why fix it if it is not broken”.

Posted by Anil | Report as abusive

That’s such a sweet story. But guess what: if Canada ever get’s an extremely crooked leader, Canadians are f@#$d. The beneficence of such a program is based on the assumption and the government is benign and can be trusted—and they can’t. Certainly not our government and not in these times. Just step out of line with the party doctrine see how long you as an individual still have health care. The hook will be in your nose. Remember the Nastional Socialist German Workers Party came to power in a pure democracy. AFter that, you either did what they wanted or else NO BENEFITS FOR YOU. NO SOUP FOR YOU!!

Besides, If Bush would have done this the liberals would have raise the same commotion. I’m for health insurance reform, especially to cover unemployed citizens, but this Obamacare is a recipe for totalitarianism.

Posted by Joe Parka | Report as abusive

TC, I see you’re getting your “facts” from Rush again. CD Walker, NWaff, Brian Lee, Typical Obama, Joel, Taylee, you too. There is no provision for abortion in the bills (note plural) being worked out in Congress, nor is there any coverage of illegal aliens or grants of access to your bank accounts. I really can’t believe how gullible you people are to the bile the wingnut radio ranters spew to keep up their ratings. And the current poll numbers are reflection of all this lying going on on our public airwaves. It’s time we reclaimed our airwaves from the habitual liars. And since when did anyone have to follow someone else’s version of religion in this country? Not since before the 1st Amendment was passed, that’s when, so your religiosity is coming off as sanctimony. That National Prayer Breakfast is sponsored by the same crackpots who own that place on C Street where “true conservative christian” GOP pols like Sanford go for absolution of their philandering. Grow up and learn to think with your head, not your glands.

Posted by borisjimski | Report as abusive

Wow Boris. Your rant sounds like a person who knows he on a sinking ship, so decides to make personal attacks based on nothing rational or true.

Health care in this country needs to be tweaked. No one is arguing that important point. However, the clear majority of Americans do not want what Canada, Great Britain, Germany, France…and so on, have to offer.

Their systems all “ration” health care. They all clearly say they cannot afford all health care needs. The older citizens are put out to pasture to die. All of these things make the government/co-op health care fiasco mucking around in congress unachievable. People are rightfully afraid of government control of their health care. The person who said Germany in the 1930’s turned into a monster were right. And please don’t see it can’t happen here. No one then thought it would happen to them either.

Government control is not what this country is all about. Your rant proves your side is on a sinking ship. America is better off without anything Obama has to offer. I said this since before he was elected. The American people have proved me right.

Posted by TC | Report as abusive

It time to reclaim the airways!Boris it is the very sinew of socialism,do we not see this scene played out all the time when you have a leftist government promising utopia and then falling short of the mark. You started the year with all the numbers yet you are failing dismally,you can,t blame the republicans it is your shout, you are becoming a laughing stock as you run around like chickens with out heads,the chickens are certainly coming home to roost. Even the clunker program seems to be beyond your pay level when it comes to organization. How can expect people to believe that capable of running health care,give us a break!

Posted by brian lee | Report as abusive

If this man Obama were not viscerally, perhaps even subconsciously, sold out lock-stock-and-barrel to the megalomaniacal dream of recreating the whole world in his image – which means calling a whole new government-run (read, Obama-run) medical universe into being ex nihilo – why, he could have actually done something, something real, something practical, something good. We do need more competition on the health insurance playing field – so, Mr. Obama, how about you trash the arcane prohibition on inter-state competition, hmm? The costs passed on to patients for stratospherically high malpractice insurance are outrageously insupportable. So, Mr. Obama, how ’bout you show some real leadership on tort reform, hmm? There is so much else besides. Many ways, without trying to stage a Genesis One Redux, to get the job done. Instead, Mr. Obama runs around idiotically squawking, “We have to do this, because we can’t do nothing!” In Mr. Obama’s universe, it’s his plan or nothing. Meanwhile, lots of people are proposing perfectly reasonable, and better, alternatives… but all Mr. Obama hears is… nothing.

Posted by Ken Sears | Report as abusive

America is going broke!
Employers can hardly keep up with the skyrocketing cost of healthcare. Health care providers are challenged by dwindling numbers on their insured roles. It is a recepie for disaster.

Bottom line: Americans can no longer afford the American Dream and health insurance is/was an element of that dream.

National health care with limited benefits, but enough to politically appease sects and subgroups. Effect will be some procedures, available under private health care will not be available under national health care. Pure dollars and cents calculations.

What will our children be left with:
A color selection choice just like in Soylent Green!

Posted by Marky | Report as abusive

”Bearing false witness”? How many campaign promises has Obama broken so far? How many lies has he told. He is choosing his words very carefully, but one can easily read between the lines. Too many Americans believe him, instead of reading what it says in the bill. If you listen to comments made in the past, though, he tells a different story. It depends on whom he is speaking to, of course.

I see, too, that the Obama machine is out in full force here with their huge cut and pasted ”messages” that they probably use a hundred times a day. Stay away from our ”young people”.

Stop with the lies. A majority of Americans do not want this bill. Your number for the un-insured in this country is over-stated, especially if you were to specify the number of Americans who choose not to have insurance.

Also, maybe someone should start pointing out that it is not just right-wing groups who oppose this bill. Party does not even come into it. It is a power grab, a threat to our freedom and right to choose, and that invokes resistance from all segments of the population.

Posted by Donna | Report as abusive

Boris is obviously parroting the ACORN talking points. Blame it on talk radio, as if Americans aren’t smart enough to figure it out on their own.

All we have to do it read the bill, Boris, it is very easy to find anywhere. Maybe you should read the bill, also, or are you content with selling your soul and your credibility in the name of progressivism?

Your strategy is now apparent to all Americans. We don’t want your brand of socialism, and now that you have been exposed, your tricks will no longer work. How did it happen? Figure it out on your own.

Posted by Donna | Report as abusive

‘‘(F) provide for timely acknowledgment, response, and status reporting applicable to any electronic transaction deemed appropriate by the Secretary;

There you go Boris any electronic transaction the Secretary deems appropriate. The Secretary decides when and how much they want to take.

‘‘(2) NONRESIDENT ALIENS.—Subsection (a) shall not apply to any individual who is a nonresident alien.

And that is about illegal aliens, if they are not going to be given medical benefits why do we need to make a special consideration about taxes applying to them?

If you want to have an intelligent conversation you should really read the BILL.

Posted by Joel | Report as abusive

Why is it the only people complaining about Canadian health care are Americans?

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