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Did God stop CERN from discovering the “God particle”?

October 13, 2009

collider-1The great quantum physicist Niels Bohr once said a colleague’s new theory was crazy, but perhaps not crazy enough to be correct. Two scientists seem to have taken that approach to heart when they speculated that God may have shut down the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva to keep it from discovering the elusive “God particle.”

(Photo: Part of the Large Hadron Collider, 22 March 2007/Denis Balibouse)

According to an essay in the New York Times, the scientists are trying to explain why the collider, the world’s largest particle accelerator turned on with great fanfare in September 2008 by the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN), was closed down for major repairs just over a week later. The 3 billion-euro collider was supposed to track down the Higgs boson, a subatomic particle believed to have given mass to the universe milliseconds after the Big Bang created it some 15 billion years ago.

Physicists think this minuscule speck of matter, if ever found, could explain the mysterious code at the origin of the physical world. To know this would be to “know the mind of God”, as Einstein put it. The Nobel Prize winning physicist Leon Lederman dubbed the Higgs boson the “God particle” in a book of the same name 15 years ago.

Now, Holger Bech Nielsen of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen has reached back to the God symbolism to explain what went wrong at CERN. He and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto have suggested, as Times science writer Dennis Overbye put it, that “the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveller who goes back in time to kill his grandfather”.

This is heavy stuff, and it gets heavier.

collider-2“It must be our prediction that all Higgs producing machines shall have bad luck,” Dr. Nielsen said in an e-mail to Overbye. In an unpublished essay, Overbye relates, Dr. Nielson said of the theory, “Well, one could even almost say that we have a model for God.” It is their guess, he went on, “that He rather hates Higgs particles, and attempts to avoid them.”

(Photo: Part of the Large Hadron Collider, 29 Nov 2006/Denis Balibouse)

We usually report about scientists who say there is no God and ridicule those who believe in Him (like the biologist and “neo-atheist” Richard Dawkins). But at the cutting edge of physics, some kind of faith seems to reappear (as in the case of Templeton Prize winner Bernard d’Espagnat). Isn’t it strange that these scientists turn so often to a “God option” to explain what they’re investigating?

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the confusion man creates for himself,seeking what he already has,

Posted by john | Report as abusive
 

“Science, running up against the limits of its knowledge routinely evoke His name and He rewards it by revealing more of His will to it.”
What a pitiful creature he/she/it is. Full of inferiority complex the creature “rewards” us for being just mentioned.
So much for the infinite wisdom.

Posted by Axel Waxmann | Report as abusive
 

Religion and science do not have to clash. (well perhaps CERTAIN religions and science do but not all). God is a subjective term and means different thing to different people at different ages of humanity. I don’t agree that any book written 1000+ years ago has all the answers for all time (if that’s the case why are there so many versions and different branches based on those version)though I do believe the the concepts are eternal. I prefer to believe, as taught in Buddhism, that reality becomes what we make it. Your life and everything that happens in the “universe” is a product of thought, belief, and action. Banish the thought completely and nothing exists based on that.

To this end, if they do find THE particle, then it will just be that, a new particle. Perhaps the scientists suggesting the ripple effect through time are correct and perhaps not. Only time will tell but do not go blind with belief into the world, no matter what.

Posted by Chris | Report as abusive
 

rubbish. speculating physicists need to get back to work and eschew flights of fantasy.

Posted by beagle | Report as abusive
 

Einstein was right about the shortcomings of Quantum Mechanics and so therefore String Theory is also the incorrect approach. As an alternative to Quantum Theory there is a new theory that describes and explains the mysteries of physical reality. While not disrespecting the value of Quantum Mechanics as a tool to explain the role of quanta in our universe. This theory states that there is also a classical explanation for the paradoxes such as EPR and the Wave-Particle Duality. The Theory
is called the Theory of Super Relativity. Please check out our website.
This theory is a philosophical attempt to reconnect the physical universe to realism and deterministic concepts. It explains the mysterious.

Posted by msuprel | Report as abusive
 

God doesn’t exist. Get over it. It’s a shame that serious physicists and scientists up to this day are still talking about pseudoscience, metaphysics and mythology to justify their failures.

Posted by jreniel | Report as abusive
 

“It cannot be speculated that Higgs bosons will affect the supercollider, or show up in its experimental results. Because this requires us to assume that Higgs bosons exist. And they have not yet been proven to exist.”

Absolutely correct. This is why the supercollider is referred to as an “experiment”.

But the issue here is not whether the supercollider will be able to see the bosons or not.

The issue is that the scientists mentioned a deity. A supernatural concept that has no evidence of existing, and has no place in science.

Now, I admit that they were probably joking. Or just saying something to draw attention away from what is probably an expensive mistake or engineering breakdown.

But all the same, theism is not something that should be encouraged. Especially by scientists :)

Posted by Anon | Report as abusive
 

I was at the SSC in Waxahachie TX the day the US congress voted to shut it down. I was really puzzled as they were way into building the thing and were literally pouring money down a hole no doubt but shutting it down in front of the world, with its potential for scientific discovery, was very odd from my view. I kept wanting to hope of finding a more profound reason beyond what they were saying in public. And the thought occurred to me that perhaps God did have his hand in this. I mean I was inside one of the buildings doing a trade show and after the announcement people were singing hymms somewhere down the hall…weird…so please excuse my simple mindedness but the more I look, the more I tend to end up with the idea that there are powers, dimensions, forces and levels of intelligence far beyond a human creature’s ability to do things – say like create a Universe. So I really wanted to think God was putting his foot down in Waxahachie Texas at that time. What do I know? How else should such a creature as limited and flawed as me (five senses on a good day) explain things?

How far we’ve come and yet how little we know. The earth may indeed be flat after all, you 11th dimension believers.

Posted by W | Report as abusive
 

Believing in a being more powerful than humans does not make one a fruitcake. Are humans the most powerful creatures in the universe? To think so is arrogant and ignorant. It amazes me that everyone acknowledges that someone intelligent designed and built the LHC and all the amazing machines we have on this planet. Yet no one designed us? This amazing universe just happened by a complete accident, and billions of other accidents just made us out of nothing? It takes more faith to believe in that than it does to believe in a god.

Posted by Rod | Report as abusive
 

In 2009, collision was beginning.

Scientist: What happen?
Mechanic: Somebody set up us the Collider…
Technician: We get signal!
Scientist: What?
Technician: Main screen turn on.
Scientist: It’s you!!!
GODS: How are you gentlemen!!
GODS: All your bosons are belong to us.
GODS: You are on the way to destruction, make your time.
Scientist: What you say?
GODS: HA, HA, HA, HA.
Technician: Professor?
Scientist: Launch CERN.
Scientist: For great justice!
(CERN Launch)
Scientist: OH SHI—

Posted by OhBoy | Report as abusive
 

You poor, poor souls. Those of you that are in denial that there’s a God, need to come from behind the cubical, or lab, and just strt walking east or west til you come upon an ocean. leave the cell phone, and the car keys. just start walking. Sometime, we need to get out of our “eggheads” so we can see.

Posted by firerx | Report as abusive
 

Absurd! There are so many more things that science cannot explain.
Assuming that Higgs particle is the ultimate holy grail and that these scientists were about to stumble on to it, is stupid and plain arrogance.
The machine will work someday because the world has invested so much in these scientists to make it work. Let us hope that we will know a little more about our universe when it works!

Posted by Triveni | Report as abusive
 

The scientists messed up, and they’re blaming it on God…

Maybe they realized that the system really needs to do more than what it was designed for…so they need SOME sort of excuse…just blame the one who won’t answer back…

I think we have an example of politics and religion mixing. Engineers and scientists understand how this can happen.

Posted by Jeff | Report as abusive
 

So we have learn that we can. But have not learn what we must. Either this is a known conclusion,or trail and error.

Posted by e bar2 | Report as abusive
 

“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy[or science].” Hamlet – Act 1, Sc. V

This was penned almost 400 years ago.

It’s irresponsible to believe that one being controls all and just as ignorant and irresponsible to believe science can and does explain everything that has ever or will ever come to be. Someone mentioned that god doesn’t exist? Then where’s the proof to counter it? God is a loose term that can be applied to any type of belief. One could call nature god (and many scientists do) or call the belief in the non-existence of god to be god. It’s a relative notion (hmm..Einstein rings a bell as mentioning that and would you NOT call him a scientist?)

Posted by Chris | Report as abusive
 

Everything is a miracle when we don’t know what to expect. Marketing agents make a career our of making the mundane enticing.

Posted by Trus | Report as abusive
 

The scientists were unsure of what happened. So they said it was “God’s fault” as a little joke.

Because they didn’t know what went wrong, and knew they were speaking from a position of complete ignorance as to what actually happened.

Much like theism, amirite? And there’s the joke. Blame god for everything you don’t understand.

It’s just that it was just a dry joke, as with most scientists. Not something people want to take too seriously.

Posted by Hmmm | Report as abusive
 

Rod, et al: Who designed the Universe? God. Who designed God? Nobody. Fine, then nobody designed the Universe and we have no need of any god in our understanding.

Posted by Pete Cann | Report as abusive
 

“God’ how ignorant! Organized religion has brainwashed peoples throughout history, most often those among us with less knowledge or of lower intelligence to “believe” anything that was/is unexplainable or incomprehensible was/is the work of “God” and they (Organized religion) were/are the “the way” to truth and salvation. Do the words “Snake salesman” come to mind?

“God” how powerful! The irony is this imaginary power was created out of thin air by those pretending to be god’s representatives so they, not god, would have the power to control the masses and enrich themselves and the church in the process. By any definition, the vision of history is 20/20 and the vision of the future is uncertain and uncertainty causes fear which organized religion uses to comfort existing and potential followers with false promises of safe harbor and collecting an anchorage fee for their imaginary services. Can you imagine where we’d be today if we, the people of the world relied on the safe harbor and wisdom of organized religion to answer the tough and difficult questions of life and science?

Fortunately, you don’t have to have an imagination at all due to the clarity of history’s vision and organized religion’s role of obstructionist, at every turn, to humanity’s efforts to unlock the mysteries of the universe and life through science. Every aspect of our lives would be controlled by the “church state”, what we think, where we live, what we do both professionally and at home and, as history has proven, anyone who threatened the wisdom of the church state would at best be branded a “Pagan” and at worst “Devil worshiper” and burned at the stake for heresy. Our founding fathers used the vision of history to insure “Church” and “State” were separate and apart from one another for a reason. When the Large Hadron Collider problems get worked out, and they will, and when this great scientific experiment is completed, and it will be, I hope it does find the elusive Higgs boson. Chances are however that the results will more likely lead to other questions which is how science should work. As there seems to be no room for science in the house of god, neither should there be room for god in the house of science. Thank God!

Posted by Tony | Report as abusive
 

Perhaps a blessing in disguise.

Posted by TommyW | Report as abusive
 

I don’t believe that “GOD” broke the machine etc etc….
The shutdown was caused by a overheated section, due to poor cooling. After looking at pictures of the magnets out in the “LOOP” and reading some of the engineers intial reports. If the magnets arent cooled or flow is restricted, it wont work. And what makes it difficult is the fact that the damaged section of track is opposite the actual target area. It’s an extremely complex scientific “machine”, not Jules Verne.

Posted by Mike O'Connell | Report as abusive
 

These are the kind of fools which give science a bad name. If you have any understanding of quantum mechanics or even evolution. This is the kind of God that rules the universe. If there is one!

1. At the Micro scale ie electrons and atoms God hasn’t got a clue what’s happening—-everything is random and based on statistical probability. No event is determined.
God doesn’t know what is going to happen!

2. In the beginning God created millions of creatures that lived in the ocean, he then wiped them out and what arose was an ape like creature very similar to the chimpanzee and other primates. This creature over millions of years through mutation and natural selection evolved into human beings with his cousin being the chimpanzee. There DNA is 99% identical. God is probably hairy and likes to swing from the tree tops.

3. God likes to Joke that there is such a thing as a heaven and a hell—–And humans believe it.

Posted by Mark | Report as abusive
 

In reference to the religious lesson below by FireRx: Should you walk the distance north or south, you will eventually come upon an ocean as well. Because some take the paths less travelled by, does not make them more right or wrong than yours. The difference, though, is often times these roads are not paved in stone like yours and have room to change accordingly to the people and things they experience. Think about it, long and hard.

Posted by TommyW | Report as abusive
 

Ok Mr. Physicist, time for Skepticism 101: Just because you can’t explain a phenomenon doesn’t mean it was caused by a god or the supernatural.

People used to not be able to explain how volcanoes worked, so they thought there must be volcano gods (and so they threw virgins into them to appease the gods). Now we know that’s nonsense and that virgins have better things to do with their time.

Likewise, just because your machine has broken down doesn’t mean there’s a supernatural malevolence hell-bent on stopping you. Possibly it might have something to do with the fact that this is, hands down, the most complicated machine EVER built by humans. Pure reliability probabilities say that there some things bound to go wrong. That’s just the nature of complexity.

And, as an aside, the Higgs boson is not a “god particle.” The other bosons (photons, gluons, and W and Z bosons) aren’t “god particles” either. They’re primarily force carrier particles.

The Higgs boson is a boson that the current Standard Model says should be there, but we haven’t observed yet. The theory says that the Higgs boson is responsible for larger particles (like quarks and leptons) having mass. So this would be the particle that carries the mass/inertia interactions, just lilke the photon is the electromagnetic interaction boson and the W and Z bosons are the electroweak interaction bosons. So there’s nothing “god” about the Higgs boson unless “god” is mass (ha, a Catholic pun!).

However, this explains why we should be so excited about the LHC and understanding the Higgs boson and the Higgs field. Most engineers and scientists understand what a huge leap forward Maxwell’s equations were to humanity. All of our electronics: from telecommunications, to dishwashers, to TVs, to mp3 players are possible because of our deep understanding of the elecromagnetic field. Now just imagine if we were able to come up with the “Maxwell’s equations” governing the Higg’s field – the field that everything uses for mass interactions (from gravity to inertia). What amazing advances could we make? On other hand, what if the LHC shows that there’s no Higgs particle and no Higgs field? Then the exciting process of determining a better theory to explain the observed fundamental particles and interactions would begin. Either way, it will be a step forward for humanity.

So, yes, maybe “god” is reaching back from the future and putting gremlins in the magnectic coils. Or, more likely, this is one more hurtle to overcome before we make a great advancement as a species

Posted by shadowTAG | Report as abusive
 

Alternatively, an interesting (and more constructive approach) dynamic in the life-cycle for components and complex systems states a higher likelihood of failure very near activation, which decreases to a uniform likelihood estimate of random failure and in turn, a gradual increase as the estimated life-limit is approached. Act of ‘God’ or not, the failure at CERN was a clear-cut case of infant mortality -not at all surprising in reliability engineering circles.

Posted by L.Anderson | Report as abusive
 

It’s amusing to see the effort some undergo to understand one tiny particle of a mind they claim does not exist.

Posted by jason | Report as abusive
 

There are two tenets of atheism. One, there is no God. Two, I hate him.

Posted by Bob | Report as abusive
 

Serve an atheist dinner and then ask him(or her) who made it.

Posted by Bob | Report as abusive
 

Finding the \”God particle\”(lol)-if it even exists-would not \”prove that God exists or doesn\’t exist. All it would do is show us that the earth,the universe,etc. is even more mysterious and fantastic than we ever imagined. Atheists (and I am a Christian by the way) are becoming more puzzled and dumbfounded by the latest findings in science that show that \”something\” or \”someone\” made the universe and designed it in a very special and unique fashion.

Posted by Bob | Report as abusive
 

ShadowTag,

Funny how scientists(and other people) who don’t believe in God, get so upset and expend so much time,effort and money to try to “disprove” Someone who doesn’t exist in the first place. Also, funny how every discovery science is making(if you interpret the evidence in an honest and impartial way) all seem to keep pointing to a grand Designer (i.e. God).

Posted by Bob | Report as abusive
 

And let me guess, Bob.

“Fair and impartial” to you means assuming that every piece of evidence you see is designed. Even though you have no actual evidence that complexity equals design. Or for that matter, any actual evidence that a designer even exists.

The only thing Athiests are puzzled about is how a theist can base their entire argument on logical fallacies, and still think they should be taken seriously.

I find it funny how you presume to claim that Athiests are shaken to the core by recent discoveries. When the reality is that all evidence found in the universe either confirm or develop scientific theory further.

And yet even after all the decades of searching, there is still not a single piece of positive scientific proof that a deity exists. Bummer.

Posted by Anon | Report as abusive
 

One can hate a petty, spiteful, cruel, dull-witted god and still know that he’s only a myth. If one couldn’t do that, Hollywood would be in big trouble.

Posted by Pete Cann | Report as abusive
 

Even based on Theory of Relativity, if one has to observe particles traveling at a higher velocity than the velocity of light the plane of the observer changes;else he can not notice the change.He has to change his plane.This is also borne out of Quantum theory which postulates simultaneous existence of multi verses , which means an event that we see/perceive is happening Right now and also has happened and shall happen in the future(with reference to our time Frame).
As such any attempt to observe velocities of particles at speeds which we are not equipped to observe because of our limitations of Space and time,either the experiment shall not fructify or we can not understand the results.First stated has now happened.
This has been explained in Hindu philosophy in detail( Please refer my Blog on Time -Non -Linear theory).
http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2009/10/1 5/god-particle/

 

I also read astonished the media fuss for this silly paper, when the serious work of scientist warning on the corruption and dangers of CERN goes unpulbished. Unfortuantelly, it’s all simpler, as per Nambu, last year Nobel Prize, the top quark in deconfined state, does all what the higgs does, and since the Universe is efficient it never makes a redundant particle it doesn’t need, thus the top quark is the Higgs. And we won’t find the higgs. So why so much fuss about higgs and the god’s particle? It was pure marketing by leo lederman a smart jewish-american, and the main lobbysist for the industry of atomic cannons, who convinced reagan that both particles were not the same, alas! the standard model was not closed and we still needed after the cold war was over mor of them (lee smolin and zee also proved it – they are the same if we consider a strong field a strong gravitational field in the brans-dicke model). Ergo we won’t find the higgs but produce copious quantities of top quarks and all other type of quarks in deconfined state. This might result in the creation of a bose-einstein condensate of quarks, which can trigger an ice-9 type of reaction and create one of the many possible Einstein frozen stars, strangelets, top quark stars or some other combination of quark dark matter not yet well understood that will blow up the earth. Regarding CERN’s excuses, quarks are not cosmic rays, we never found deconfined quarks in cosmic rays; moons do become black holes; a moon with the mass of a black hole will produce by gravitational lensing, background radiation at 2.7k, the most common radiation of the Universe; and quark stars might be all the pulsars and the most likely candidate for dark matter, Machos, 96% of the mass of the Universe. So this might be happening in every planet where retarded, arrogant humans play to be god. Because we don’t see any intelligent signs and there are millions of planets like this (the so-called Fermi paradox, which he stated after seing the A-Bomb: do all planets disappear blow up by physicists?) … What is for sure is that 13 billion $ will be thrown to the garbage because our politicians dont know anything about physics and the industry of nuclear machiens dont understand the cold war is over and there are many other ways to explore safely the universe. Bt in the age of marketing you can sell anything. I am afraid though that God will act exactly in the opposite way as the Fermi paradox proves . Because this planet will become a frozen star and God I am afraid will not interfere. He just selects in a dualist universe the species with higher energy=force, higher information =intelligence, and the harmony of both, E x I = k, called beauty when it is observed in static space and goodness when it is caused by actions in time. Mankind shows these days an absolute lack of strenght, intelligence, beauty and goodness, and so it won’t pass.
‘two things i consider infinite, the universe and the stupidity of humans and im not sure of the latter’ mr. einstein. ‘Those who impose truth with power will be the laugh of the Gods’. This paper shows how physicists have become in an age of fiction thought and super-powerful machines dangerous children of thought, and in the Darwinian Universe, a very serious place, hatched babies die by the thousands. The physicist community, would do better revising the papers of cheng in strangelets, of wilczek in quark matter, or my papers in quark holes and mass/time theory that show how very likely is that the Fermi paradox becomes real instead of this kind of ridiculous papers. Your life and the life of the rest of mankind is at stakes, and it is your responsibility and that of the politicians and scientific press that backs them to defend it regardless of personal agendas.

 

And let me guess Anon,

According to the law of noncontradiction, A cannot be A and B at the same time. As my old schoolteacher always told me, either you’re right or I’m right, but we can’t both be right. Speaking of logic, logical fallacies,etc. , only the Christian worldview provides a rational, logical basis for an absolute and authoritative moral code. So when an atheist behaves as if he is following a moral code, he’s actually being irrational. Moreover, when an atheist behaves as if he is a random combination of chemicals,ad nauseum, he is actually starting to be consistent with his worldview.

Without God (oops! I mean a “Grand Designer”)there would be no basis for the laws of logic, the reliability of senses, the reliability of memory, the uniformity of nature, or rational analysis, all of which you use when learning things. If you disagree, then please tell me: what is the basis for uniformity of nature without God? For that matter, how could you really know that your senses and memory are reliable? Can you rationally(without “begging the question”)justify any of these assumptions without the biblical God? Ironically, if evolution were true, it wouldn’t be reasonable for you to understand it. “Understanding” implies that we have a mind and freedom of thought to consider alternatives and choose the best. But if evolution is true, then our brain is simply the result of mindless chemistry that happened to convey survival value in the past. So there would be no reason to think that we can reason in an evolutionary worldview. See the dilemma this poses? If evolution were true, then what you think and say could not be rational, but would merely be the inevitable result of chemistry over time. The atheist position is inconsistent. On the one hand, the atheist teaches that people are simply chemical “accidents”. On the other hand, the atheist treats people(to some extent) respectfully, as if they were NOT just chemical accidents. The atheist’s position is intellectually schizophrenic. I don’t doubt that atheists are moral and that they know that many things are wrong(e.g. murder,rape,etc.). But on their professed beliefs as stated, such morality would not make sense. An atheist lives in an irrational, intellectual “hell”–believing contrary things at the same time. On the one hand, people have intrinsic value;on the other hand, they are said to be simply chemical accidents. (Romans 1:18-20)

Atheists-to say that God does not exist-would have to be God in order to know that there is no God-in which case God does exist. This is another example of the fact that atheists are irrational; they just don’t think things through. Their beliefs are arbitrary(without logical justification). It all boils down to what the preponderance of the evidence(not “proof”) points to, and also-most importantly-how the evidence is interpreted. Atheists claim that the human cell, amino acids, atoms,etc. simply just formed themselves without any outside help(or “designer”) purposely putting all these thousands of things together in just the right order against astronomically huge odds. Where is the scientific evidence to support these statements? Even evolutionary and atheistic scientists(some)such as Steven Hawking are starting to acknowledge that there must have been someone(God?) who made the universe at a fixed beginning point in the past.

Posted by Bob | Report as abusive
 

First of all physicists did not build the LHC in order to discover god. Neither are they out there trying to disprove god. They are trying to discover more about how the universe works regardless of any deity from Allah to Shiva. The Higgs boson is not a ‘god particle’ and should never have been called that. The idea that a Higgs went backwards in time to continuosly break the machine is ludicrous. The very idea is a paradox since if this continuously happens the the machine would never be able to produce the Higgs in the first place because it is always broken. And if god sent it why bother? Millions of people are starving and dying everyday and all god cares about is us discovering a few tiny particles?! I think not.

Posted by Anon | Report as abusive
 

Bob, you cannot say scientists are trying to disprove god, that is not the aim of science. Science is trying to find the correct explanation to the observed and explain how things are the way they are; If this eventually leads to a proof or disproof of God then so be it, however disproving God was never an agenda for scientists.

Posted by Ed | Report as abusive
 

luis sancho said ” the Universe is efficient it never makes a redundant particle it doesn’t need”, and then went on to talk about the top quark, which is itself redundant to both the up and the strange quarks.

I think the simplist explanation for the collider breaking down is “It’s a complex machine and needs tuning.”

And it’s not strange for scientists in fields like physics and astronomy to turn to God or some kind of faith. Those who are up-to-date in the field know that the universe is suspiciously fine-tuned, with no obvious reason beyond “if it wasn’t, we wouldn’t exist to see it”

 

I’m not getting into the religion vs. science debate as the two subjects are unrelated and non-clashing. There are Christian scientists, Islamic scientists, Atheist scientists; people have different views get over it.

Science isn’t about faith, it shouldn’t clash with it if you know what you’re on about. Science is about improving our understanding of the universe, of ourselves and of what we are made of. It’s a way of finding out how we can do things we have never dreamt of, and it has already made its mark.

Thanks to our exploration of science, we can travel to the other side of the world, we can leave the earth entirely, we can communicate with strangers from all over the world.

Who said science has to be against god? The way I’d see it (I’ll say at this point that I’m agnostic) is that a god made the universe, science allows us to explores it.

The particle was never meant to disprove god, as there is no way of proving or disproving a faith (by definition). A particle disproving god is a ridiculous idea.

The particle was nicknamed the god particle by a scientist who believed, perhaps rightly so, that the discovery of the particle would be groundbreaking, massive. It’s a great opportunity for scientists to delve further into the world of the unknown, to discover new things and to make a difference.

One could say that such an opportunity would be given by god, therefore justifying the name.

Posted by Jake Arkinstall | Report as abusive
 

Bob.

Your post does not conform to the basic rules of logical argument. Your proof of god is nothing but circular reasoning. Your proof of creationism is nothing but “argument from ignorance”

So that others can see your logical failure for what it is, I have provided relevent links.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_th e_question
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_f rom_ignorance
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_ proof

In addition, your post contains errors, possibly intentional lies.

The massive piles of scientific evidence which exist today confirm and support all major scientific theories on evolution, biology, physics and chemistry. But in all this scientific evidence, not a shred shows evidence of a designer or deity.

Your entire belief system is based on no proof at all, except for your own preconceived baseless assumptions and a book which has no evidence of even being true.

Evolutionary scientists have never claimed that a god created life. Nor has Steven Hawkings ever claimed that a deity was responsible for creating the universe.

And even if an evolutionary scientist decided to humiliate himself by making such a claim, there is no scientific evidence that either is the case.

Your statement that some “athiestic (sic) scientists” have claimed that a god created the universe is simply absurd. An Athiest, by his very definition, does not believe in a deity.

All of which leads me to conclude you don’t know what you are talking about, or are simply parroting what you read on the discovery institute website.

Posted by Anon | Report as abusive
 

This is the most stupidest science article I have ever read.

Posted by bob pielage | Report as abusive
 

There is no way that it could be god. Because there is no evidence god actually exists. Or that god was behind it.

It is far more likely that the particle was prevented by the Invisible Flying Chocolate Teapot. Because we have direct scientific evidence this is not the case.

After all, if the Invisible Flying Chocolate Teapot didn’t exist, we wouldn’t not be able to not not see it.

See? Not even creationists can claim that.

Posted by Teapot Believer | Report as abusive
 

Religious people can be pretty vicious. I’m not sure they can lay much claim to being moral. A lot of work is now being done on rational, atheist ethics. One careful and fascinating treatment is Good and Real, by Gary L. Drescher, from the MIT Press (Massachusetts Institute of Technology). He appears to have established that you should serve the interests of others for the sake of yours being served, even in secret.

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It was lack of information that’s it. The experiment failed. The spirit of human to pursue the answers via science should not die. If one listened to these religious torch bearers, one will not even be able to think freely. These religious torch bearers ensure a lavish, super duper flamboyant lifestyle for themselves by fooling people. They should infact be taxed like any other profit making entity so that science can progress. Let these religious torch bearers live without output of science products. Let them run around in their ancient tools of transport like mule donkey. Why the heck these guys use products made by human efforts via science like computer. Use your book… Religious torch bearers are of twisted, evil, wicked mind, they are not even true to themselves… Religious torch bearers inspire people to commit genocides.

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHH! God blarghy blargh Science blarghy blargh

enough already. don’t belive everything you read on the net. get outside and see the sun is still shining.

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According to His Holiness Huzur Maharaj, the Second Most Revered Spiritual Head of Radhasoami Faith had stated : “Love or Force of attraction (i.e. the Force of Cohesion) is the Param Tattva or the chief ingredient of the creation, i.e. the entire creation has come into existence out of Love and is sustained by Love.” In scientific terminology this is known as Gravity.

 

Cern has nothing to do with anyones idea of what God is or isn’t. Cern is pandoras box. It’s a really really bad idea to try to rip holes into other dimensions; you may get something you can’t put back. Remember when you cut something up, what do you have? A disection.

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Hey, don’t insult my faith, theists!

Is it not rather curious that this argument, rephrased for their side of the argument, is commonly used respectably by Christians and other theists, but when used by an atheist such as myself, it sounds ridiculous? Think for a moment: why does this disparity exist? Why is religion given a free pass for irrationality in our scientific, rational world?

Respect my belief in the non-existence of God/gods, already!

Of course, this argument really is not an argument at all. It is merely a ploy to avoid argument, often deployed by the losing side to preserve their dignity.

Oh, and Bob, your argument for the order in the world is easily dispelled by one powerful theory: evolution. Plase, don’t disparage it as “only a theory”, nothing in science is absolute, even gravity is only a theory, albeit a very well-substantiated one, as is evolution

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What is God Particle? According my fresh thought:
1. It is a naked singularity of mass or the smallest black hole in the Universe;
2. It has huge naked mass, gravitation and inertia;
3. It is not a material particle;
4. It is not in the Standard Model of elementary particles;
5. It is an Ultimate Particle, cannot be decay;
6. Its Mass cannot be converted into energy;
7. The lowest limit of its mass is about 10.9?g, and the upper limit is about 0.67*10^6kg, that means that its mass may be exceeded one kilogram!
8. Estimated mass of Higgs Particle is about 16 orders of magnitude smaller than lower limit of Mass of God Particle at least. So the mass of God Particle is substantially undervalued by mainstream physics
9. So Higgs particle is not God particle;
10. And so I believe that to find the God particle with LHC is an impossible mission, LHC efforts will be ended in failure, and it is destined. I think that to find God Particle with colliders (such as LHC) is an extremely extravagant wrong way.

How to find God Particle?
Based on my bran-new thread, I design several kinds of very simple and very cheap physical experimental methods to find the God particle, to make a small black hole and to create new unknown stable material particles without using any accelerator or collider such as LHC.
Maybe to find God Particle is not a hard mission for me?
Revolution in Physics will soon arrival, believe me.

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