Comments on: “Return to past” is SSPX motto for doctrinal talks with Vatican http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/10/13/return-to-past-is-sspx-motto-for-doctrinal-talks-with-vatican/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Mike444 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/10/13/return-to-past-is-sspx-motto-for-doctrinal-talks-with-vatican/comment-page-1/#comment-29838 Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:01:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9055#comment-29838 The “SSPX” isn’t “returning to the past” because they are a heretic cult who has been rejecting Catholic Dogma since the day they were founded in 1970.

The “SSPX” is in heresy against the:
Water Baptism Dogma > Section 7.2 of Immaculata-one.com
Salvation Dogma > Section 1 of Immaculata-one.com
Automatic Excommuncation for heresy Dogma > Section 13.2

The “SSPX” are in “negotiations” with another notorious heretic cult — the Vatican-2 cult (founded on 8 Dec 1965 at the Vatican).

The over 200 heresies in the “vatican-2 council” documents against prior defined Catholic Ex-Cathedra Dogma are not “ambiguities”.

Fifty of the heresies of the Vatican-2 heretic cult … from their founding documents (the V-2 “council” docs) are listed in Section 12 of Immaculata-one.com followed by Sources of Dogma from the Catholic Church in correction of these heresies. These heresies place the Vatican-2 sect outside of the Catholic Church even though this sect is in physical control of our formerly Catholic properties.

The Dogma on Automatic Excommunication from Christianity for physical participation in heretic cults such as the “SSPX” or Vatican-2 is listed on Section 13.2 of the site.

Mike

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By: sandor balogh http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/10/13/return-to-past-is-sspx-motto-for-doctrinal-talks-with-vatican/comment-page-1/#comment-18469 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:21:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9055#comment-18469 I did some thinkng on the upcoming tyalks and Vatican II, and came up with an idea.Fortunately, calling for a synod, or opening windows, does not fall under the infallibility of the pope. And Vatican II was supposed to be a pastoral exercise, so again, it did not propose infallible teaching.The problem is that the wind blew through the open windows and blew off not only the curtains, but destroyed most of the furniture!True, the newly refurnished building will be, must be different, than the old one. But the work of the synod hasn’t been completed! There is still an important loose end: the interpretation of the deliberately ambiguously worded texts. It will be done when the discussion with the SSPX will be concluded and the Holy Father will say the final word on the interpretation.John XXIII was influenced by the modernist faction in the Church, hoping, that they will decisevely defeat the conservatives and turn the Church inside out, or, if you prefer, upside down.. But the cons stood their ground, and forced a compromise: ambiguous statements. The confrontation still continues, See the comments on this web. Benedict, it seems, finally forces the two sides to come to a reasonable, and acceptable compromise and implement the changes in the traditional Catholic spirit, according to the old maxim, Catolice dicitur, Catolice intelligitur. This assumes, of course, that it was Catolice dicitur.Both sides might be surprised, and partially vindicated, by the final outcome.Sandor

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By: Mark Wyatt http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/10/13/return-to-past-is-sspx-motto-for-doctrinal-talks-with-vatican/comment-page-1/#comment-18391 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:06:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9055#comment-18391 I wrote this 2 yers ago, and hope this is the door opening:Some Thoughts on Benedict XVI’s motu propio: Summorum Pontificum, The Chinese, and the SSPX

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By: Charlotte http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/10/13/return-to-past-is-sspx-motto-for-doctrinal-talks-with-vatican/comment-page-1/#comment-18388 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:01:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9055#comment-18388 There’s a contradiction in this article, call it hypocrisy or carelessness. How, on the one hand, can the Vatican make a “condition” that the SSPX accept the reforms of Vatican II, while on the other hand, the reforms in question be “so broad” that they potentially have no resolution? I don’t think the Vatican intends anything like what Heneghan claims, but Mr. Heneghan’s wishful thinking leads him to say that the Vatican will demand that the SSPX abide by unexpressed reforms and swear obedience to unuttered questions.

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By: Jan Baker http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/10/13/return-to-past-is-sspx-motto-for-doctrinal-talks-with-vatican/comment-page-1/#comment-18382 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:50:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9055#comment-18382 To Winston especially: I used to also think that it was off-putting to have the mass in Latin, since understanding is key to everything–I thought. In fact, I wrote a nice piece on it that was bought and published by the Pittsburgh diocesan paper, which I would give anything to take back now. Because, that’s a wrong understanding of the mass. It is not there for our ‘understanding,’ and our ‘understanding’ is not the key to either our spirituality or to worship. Those are modern ideas in which man is the center of the act of worship. Mass is for God. If it were in gibberish, it would be fine, as long as that’s what He wanted. And Latin is what God wants–so many popes, so many saints have attested to it. And even Vatican II recognizes it.That said, given that every missal has a translation, given that having the mass in Latin in common does away with the ghettos we’ve made of every language community given that the mass isn’t very long, given that the sermon and the readings are done in the vernacular (if you don’t speak that particular vernacular, you can easily have a missal in your language that gives the readings and other propers, so all you miss is the sermon until you learn the lingua franca of your region), what’s not to understand? And the music that was composed for the Latin is — one has no words to describe it. You must experience it. And besides all that, it’s just fun to pray in an ancient language, a language free from all the garbage we hang on to words and phrases. All that is not to mention the benefits to many, many generations of students having familiarity with Latin, and thus a key to so many of the world’s languages, and not to mention, either, the benefit of keeping our faith in a language ‘bank’ given the very rapid changes languages currently undergo. But none of these benefits should overshadow the one truth: the mass is not for us. The mass is for God. We do not go there to make friends or to grow in understanding in the human sense.To Mr. Andrades: you may quote sections of Vatican II that say one thing, and someone else may quote sections of Vatican II that say something else. That’s the way it was written,to say one thing in one section, another in another, with some diabolical purpose to keep us from expelling the new liberal, teaching. You simply cannot deny that the Council did away with genuine missionary work (substituting social service activities for teaching the faith) and in its place put overdone and false “respect” for other faiths and “dialogue” with other faiths (ad nauseum!!)as if we do not possess the Truth, the whole Truth, the only Truth. Oh how it plagues us today, with witchcraft on the dangerous rise throughout Africa, with ‘dialogue’ with Protestantism resolving down to their further distance from the Faith, with their destruction, through support for abortion and homosexuality, of society. It is this that must be purged, and pray God, it will be purged, and only the original understanding of the role of the Church remains.

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By: Hugh http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/10/13/return-to-past-is-sspx-motto-for-doctrinal-talks-with-vatican/comment-page-1/#comment-18379 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:27:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9055#comment-18379 When Our Lady said ” Russia will spread it’s errors “, She was not talking about the faithful, God-fearing Russian people ! She knew, being the Mother of God, that the Bolshevics had been financed by ruthless anti-christian businessmen in New York and London, and these men wanted complete and total domination of the world. Russia was their playground. The murders of 60 millions of Christians, the obliteration of Christian decency, the destruction of the Mass, the Murder and violating of thousands of holy, edicated priests and nuns throughout the world,the manipulation of inventories, economies, and lives all over the world, are the errors Our Lady warned us against. The answer was sooooo simple— Consecrate Russia, the Pope with all the Bishops of the world, sacrifice, and pray the Rosary. John XXIII ignored the message, Paul shut it away, and now they just poo poo it ! Pray the Rosary, friends Hugh

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By: Hugh http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/10/13/return-to-past-is-sspx-motto-for-doctrinal-talks-with-vatican/comment-page-1/#comment-18378 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:20:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9055#comment-18378 Winston– Good observations– just take it slow. Get a copy of ” They Have Un Crowned Him ” and ” I accuse the Council “, both by Abp Lefebvre. They provide excellent background– without which you will be lost. Also, Fr Wathens excellent book on the changes detroying the Mass– you should find it on the internet and get it quick. Destroys the arguments these changes were just for greater participation–they attacked the reality of the Mass !The essential problem in Rome has not changed. The Freemasons vowed to destroy the Catholic Church back in 1700’s. They spawned the French Revolution , primarily, because the Monarchy’s were protecting the altars of Christ !That falied to destroy the Church. The Masonic order then vowed, in the Alta Vendita, of which the Arbp spoke often, to work tirelessly within the church until they had finally assembled a Council that would give them a Pope that they could control. Angelo Rancali, Annable Bugnini, and Montini were all leftists and members of the Free masonic orders, totally contrary to 200 years condemnation by 8 different popes ! Montini had been ” banished ” to Milan,and denied the red hat because of his heresies. Rancalli, the very first act he did after installation, was bring the leftist Montini in as a Cardinal. ( he had been banished after working secretly for the Communists over throw of European Countries ) These men hated the Catholic Church.The Mass is the center of the Church, it is the primary public adoration to Almighty God– It had to be destroyed, to pave the way for the hedonistic, protestantistic, humanistic new religion. Until the trus beliefs change, and the hearts of the romans are converted again, the talks are minefields– designed to draw in the unsuspecting sheep. dol659 at hotmail.com

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By: Patricia http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/10/13/return-to-past-is-sspx-motto-for-doctrinal-talks-with-vatican/comment-page-1/#comment-18369 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:26:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9055#comment-18369 I thank God for the SSPX and hope they hold steadfast to their convictions. I do pray that the Roman Catholic Church and the SSPX have successful talks but I think we are a long way from resolving the Vatican II issues. They only way to peace is to pray the rosary for the converstion of Russia. I must say now that I have found the Traditional Mass and the SSPX I will never go back – my family and I are privilaged to hear such good and holy priests preaching the word of God every Sunday. Sadly the modern Catholic Church and the Traditional Catholic Church I like two seperate religions. The SSPX was started so that Tradition could be saved, so that the Catholic Faith would be preserved – the SSPX had no choice in the actions they took to preserve the faith – which was the resonsibility of Pope John XXIII and subsequent Popes who have failed in their duty to keep the faith but instead generatons of the faithful have been robbed of the true Catholic Faith – Its about time Pope Benedict XVI fully restored the Catholic Faith before it is too late – he has come a long way so far but has a lot further to go and I don’t think he has much time left before the chastisments of Fatima come to fruition.

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By: sixupman http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/10/13/return-to-past-is-sspx-motto-for-doctrinal-talks-with-vatican/comment-page-1/#comment-18365 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:10:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9055#comment-18365 Part of a scheme to create a disturbance/break within SSPX, Mr. Henegan? Readmitted? Some precision please!

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By: Winston Fletcher http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/10/13/return-to-past-is-sspx-motto-for-doctrinal-talks-with-vatican/comment-page-1/#comment-18363 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:24:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9055#comment-18363 Well I am a new convert. I have been hearing the term “Old Latin Mass”. Does that mean the mass is said in Latin? If so why would I go to mass to listen to a foreign language that I don’t even understand a word of? It would be like sitting in a lecture that is done in a foreign language and then going to do a test in English on the matter that was covered in that Lecture. I hope I am wrong. I think I better go and do some research on “Old Latin Mass” before I shoot myself in the foot.

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