Comments on: Abortion, a Kennedy and a Catholic communion conundrum http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/11/25/abortion-a-kennedy-and-a-catholic-communion-conundrum/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Frank312 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/11/25/abortion-a-kennedy-and-a-catholic-communion-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-22932 Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:28:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9847#comment-22932 “Saying that a sinner does not deserve communion is like saying a sick person does not deserve a doctor.In any event. The communion of the Church is a symbolic ritual.” No one said a sinner does not deserve communion. Indeed, the Catechism of the Catholic Church says that communion forgives one’s venial sins and preserves him from grave sin (1416). The church also states that anyone who desires to receive Christ in Eucharistic communion must be in the state of grace or must not receive communion until he receives absolution. This is what we as Catholics believe… forgiveness of sins through the sacrament of reconciliation. (1415) With regard to communion being a symbolic ritual, Catholics believe that the Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ in a “true, real and substantial manner… with his soul and his divinity. (1413) In other words, once consecrated, the bread becomes the actual Body of Christ. For other Christian religions it may be a symbol, but to us Catholics it’s the real thing.

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By: Scrippy http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/11/25/abortion-a-kennedy-and-a-catholic-communion-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-22875 Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:03:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9847#comment-22875 The bottom line is that this is politics and if a democrat has a prayer of their party’s backing, if he is pro-choice he has to dance around it saying “it is between the person and God”..”This is a person’s personal morals” I am a liberal democrat that is pro-life. I would never be elected. I believe in women’s rights who is pro-life. I wouldn’t be elected to anything. Patrick Kennedy did the bishop a diservice by stating something that was private and three years ago. That is not the perception. You have to give it to him! Politically getting people mad at the church to help discount their opposition to the health care program might get it passed. I believe everyone should be able to get health insurance. I believe in government helping out the poorest of our country. That you do for the least of your brother, that you do unto me. I also believe you can’t reconcile with the catholic church if you are pro-choice.
As a side bar…regular insurances allow abortion. This is about allowing people an affordable comparable plan. Lets not make this also about a political agenda.

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By: Benny Acosta http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/11/25/abortion-a-kennedy-and-a-catholic-communion-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-22647 Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:20:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9847#comment-22647 “If you are in a state of sin according to the rules of the Church, you should not receive communion until you have received absolution for that sin through the sacrament of reconciliation.”The act of reconciliation is for one who has a problem with his brother, then before offering a sacrifice at the alter of the temple, that one should make things right with his brother/neighbor. Then after making things right he can offer his sacrifice.Didn’t Jesus come to this world for the sake of the sinner? Communion with God completes and perfects the hearts of men. Saying that a sinner does not deserve communion is like saying a sick person does not deserve a doctor.In any event. The communion of the Church is a symbolic ritual. True communion will never be denied. Ask and you will receive. Seek and you will find. Knock and it will be opened to you.Moses was a murderer, having killed an Egyptian overseer. Yet he is counted among the holiest of the prophets.

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By: Jean-Luc Dalmasso http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/11/25/abortion-a-kennedy-and-a-catholic-communion-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-22608 Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:42:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9847#comment-22608 Americans enjoy the constitutional right to choose their religion or to decide not to have any. Patrick Kennedy views himself as a member of the Roman Catholic Church. The reception of communion, as its name indicates, expresses among other things a unity of faith between the communicant and the Church that grants it. It is a matter of fact that Kennedy no longer shares doctrines that are taught by the highest members of the Catholic hierarchy as being parts of the core beliefs of that Church. Of course, he is free to do so, but why doesn’t he have the honnesty to leave that Church and stop presenting himself as a Roman Catholic ? Kennedy wants to have the cake and eat it. NO WAY. He has got to choose. Either he is a Roman Catholic or he is not. If he is, he can only be Pro Life. If he is Pro Choice, he should stop receiving communion and leave that Church whose teachings he refuses. He will have no difficulty in finding a Church which will fit his convictions.

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By: Frank http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/11/25/abortion-a-kennedy-and-a-catholic-communion-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-22558 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:05:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9847#comment-22558 Ah, but it is black and white. You can indeed call yourself Catholic if you choose, but you cannot be a Catholic in good standing if you choose to follow some of the rules, and not others. A brief refresher on the Catechism of the Catholic Church may be in order, article 890. If you are in a state of sin according to the rules of the Church, you should not receive communion until you have received absolution for that sin through the sacrament of reconciliation.

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By: Elise Lundequam http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/11/25/abortion-a-kennedy-and-a-catholic-communion-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-22541 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:39:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9847#comment-22541 The catholic church has changed so much. Do Bishops not allow people who have sex before marriage get communion? I really see no difference. You can be catholic and not agree with everything. You understand it but don’t agree with it. Not everything is black and white.

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By: rein http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/11/25/abortion-a-kennedy-and-a-catholic-communion-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-22303 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:49:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9847#comment-22303 Abortion is a sin regardless of your religion, race, gender, how was it made, or who created it. the main point here is ABORTION IS A DEATH PENALTY FOR INNOCENT SOULS.POLITICS is everywhere even inside the church. LAW’S are created not by a single person but on the decision of the majority.What ever the people in the politics or church decides. The question to the pregnant woman is “WILL YOU KEEP OR KILL THAT SOUL INSIDE YOUR WOMB?”. the church nor the politicians are not the one whose goin to make the decision, its the pregnant one.

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By: Tony Ryals http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/11/25/abortion-a-kennedy-and-a-catholic-communion-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-22241 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:01:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9847#comment-22241 My father died of a heart attack while attending mass in Our Lady Of Grace Catholic Church in San Antonio,Texas on the Feast Of Immaculate Conception on December 8,1955 when I was five years old.I am the only person to have written about the Catholic Church’s involvement with the Aristotelian four or five elements and put the abortion issue in context with the pope’s excretion of a pound and a half of phosphates per earth orbit.Not counting soil erosion,etc.,the pope,as a statistical average,excreting one and half pounds of phosphate per earth orbit,(Galileo’s conflict),or year ,multiplied by six billion people on the planet equals 9 billion pounds of phosphate excreted from the collective body of humanity per earth orbit that must at present be replaced by strip mining phosphates in Florida, Idaho,Morocco,China,etc.!Below quote from Berkeley Daily Californian,September 22,1987Pope’s Misconceptions about conception and science historyby Tony RyalsWe now know that for every orbit of the Earth around the sun – one year – the pope, each member of the Catholic Church, and everyone else on the planet consumes in their food and excretes from their bodies approximately two pounds of phosphorus and various quantities of nitrogen, calcium, potassium, iron, and other trace elements. All these elements generally go unrecycled, often into rivers and oceans or even municipal dumps, further enriching fertilizer industries (who will sell the farmers more for a price) at the expense of the Earth’s non-renewable mineral nutrient resources….We should realize the need to conserve our dwindling reserves of phosphates for future generations. The United States not long ago was a net exporter of petroleum, but now we are importers. The same situation could occur with phosphates if we refuse to learn from the past. Some researchers have suggested that we may become dependent upon yet a new OPEC (or Organization of Phosphate Exporting Countries), such as Morocco, with its relatively large rock phosphate reserves….The pope’s apparent ignorance of science history and modern agricultural technology obscures from his vision the disastrous effects of his policy of unchecked population growth on future generations who will find “no food on the table” nor the resources with which to grow it. This ignorance also shows that the pope has no more expertise in the fields of agricultural science, population planning, or resoure management than the pope in Galileo’s time did in the area of astronomy.

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By: charts.1 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/11/25/abortion-a-kennedy-and-a-catholic-communion-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-22214 Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:21:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9847#comment-22214 Here we go again! The catholic church have serious issues going on in their own faith, that catholics never dare talk about. Why? FEAR! Now its time to deflect the issues and bring out the abortion card and point fingers at those that the catholics have already judged to be guilty. Kennedy is the whipping boy for the abortion issue that will never change no matter what the catholic church does. Abortions will be done legally or illegally. More smoke from the catholic church UNBELIEVABLE!

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By: Cory http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/11/25/abortion-a-kennedy-and-a-catholic-communion-conundrum/comment-page-1/#comment-22209 Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:08:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=9847#comment-22209 Sorry but the freedom of Religion portion of the CONSTITUTION provides for the freedom of religion for those wishing to worship as they please without Gov. interference. IT DOES NOT provide for those many religions to have the ability to shape original fundamental Christian laws of our founding documents non christian laws.

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