God did not create the universe, gravity did, says Stephen Hawking

September 2, 2010

hawkingGod did not create the universe and the “Big Bang” was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics, the eminent British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking argues in a new book.

In “The Grand Design,” co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.

(Photo: Stephen Hawking,  June 20, 2010/Sheryl Nadler)

“Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist,” Hawking writes. “It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.”

hawking 2Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book “A Brief History of Time,” an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity.  His latest comments suggest he has broken away from previous views he has expressed on religion. Previously, he wrote that the laws of physics meant it was simply not necessary to believe that God had intervened in the Big Bang.

(Photo: Pope Benedict greets Stephen Hawking at meeting of scientists at the Vatican, October 31, 2008/Osservatore Romano)

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And how appers gravity law?? From nothing??
That´s the real issue, we can explain more and more and the more we know more are the questions with no answer.

Posted by PedroB | Report as abusive

Watch this and shut up people
http://vimeo.com/13726978

Posted by dmt | Report as abusive

I couldn’t agree more with PedroB. for me all the countless stars above are there for a reason… i can’t imagine spending an eternal life without those countless (among oher things of course) stars that i hope we all would “discover” as we go along our eternal life

Posted by harristar | Report as abusive

the truth is you know the truth, as adam and eve knew. as surely as the lord lives, you have the power to become a son of god, with your simple will. somewhere around 500 billion souls, from the beginning of time will not be with the lord because thay do not wish to be judged by him. those souls are hungry for being put out of gods presence. blessed are those who hunger and thirst after rightousness for thay shall be filled. would you have a free will if there was only wrong in this world and no good what so ever?

Posted by Tums | Report as abusive

It is not the science that is bad…it is the scientists. Many push these high end S.W.A.G.S. as near fact. They spend their whole lives, and our money in one limited area and wouldn’t you know it, they solved the secret in science….they can not prove it by creating the same effect in a lab……but they have a computer model that can show it ( after a few tweaks in the program)…..you just have to trust them.
We live in the world of Newtonian physics . It works very well through observation. But most of the theories put forth at the astrological and quantum levels are just SWAGS…..maybe they are right but most likely they are not. They are good vehicles to make a career out of as a professor at a pretregious university but they do not fair well in proven results. It takes “faith” to believe in them….hmmm

Posted by Gen | Report as abusive

All laws require mechanisms that allow for the fructification of the law. Yet, the mechanisms serving the purpose of the law, are not in them self THE LAW!
Since gravity is a physical law, and all physical laws operate according to physical principles (mechanisms), than it’s clear that gravity cannot be responsible for the whole creation of the universe itself.

It seems to me that Hawking has replaced GOD by gravity (gravity in this perspective can’t not longer be seen as a bold physical force, but get all the characteristics of being some kind of COSMIC MIND).

To me it seems that hawking has used a simply trick to increase his selling’s.

Posted by godinci | Report as abusive

Far-fetched, Trying To End the Creators Rein over What God, “I AM” announced as His Creations…

I am an older student in the AARP club that gains the gray hair wisdom to give my thoughts challenging the depth placed upon all who seek the ultimate answers as presented by, “Prove There Is A God, Creator of All Life” to get everyone to think of the possibilities,
By Michael Holden of Reuters has written a few articles. The most recent were on September 2, 2010″, God did not create the universe, gravity did, says Stephen Hawking” and also wrote”, God did not create the universe, says Hawking”.

The other contributor to this theory and co-author brought forward by Holden; U. S. physicist Leonard Miodinow along with Stephen Hawking seems they have brought forth questions beckoning for an answer to a theory of absolutes.

I had been throwing around their math, logic, and ultimately the theory tested, and had answered to fellow college graduate’s working on their doctorial in economics and others within the life physics that refutes their final findings and theory.

These findings by Hawkins’s and Miodinow are the questions to the very form of life, and sets in motion understanding the pure form of life and that of solid forms to that of liquid forms of life. In this question, you have forms that are born from the death of other forms.

The base ultimate question comes from searching the, “What was the start of all of it?” Moreover, is their proof of God within the footprints left by an ultimate design of evolution of being the original origin of all animate and non-animate life? The further question comes to answer the, “Economics of Life Maintenance based upon the laws of physics” or the lack of a law.

Hawking and Miodinow have announced to the world a disregard to God and have cancelled the Creator connection bringing that all is random gravity to the origins of all creation.

The response to these claims comes from knowing what the Creator means broken down to His purest form. There is only one of each of us as proven without any doubts to our DNA/RNA footprints making us the only one holding such form within all the universes known and unknown.

God as a pure origin giving the foundations too forms that has released untold forms as known and unknown by man who seeks these ultimate answers. The messages sent for all who seek His presence during and in faith after death of the physical body form; hold eternal life as designed by the perfection of the gravity of the soul that dwells within the origins of life itself.

For all that seek His existence can continue on their faith journey to what is called life after death of the soul that has an incredible form of gravity innately designed from the origins of creation by direction of the Creator.

It is through the promises of this Creator, also known as, “I am” and by many other names given by faith communities given by divine messages of contact recorded by man and woman with the Creator.

He is the light of the world has been recorded has spoken by his physical form when he was made man. A man whom now gave the final answers to all seeking the origins of life and the creations of the universes.
Critically revealed, the prominent ability to disclaim the theory by both Hawking and Miodinow come from this following discovery.

All origins of creation with a form of human form come from the consciousness of bringing spirit to what each form of life is to inherit by grand design of all life forms having a purpose. A purpose of being living and non-living forms with the grandest design giving a soul with the form of what we call a human body that gives them an ability to be a co-creator with the origins of all creation.

The message sent with the word Teleios giving the hint the Creator gave us the same form he started from the origins of the original Creation.

The physics of life comes broken down to understanding perfect gravity and the control of this gravity to bring to perfection, the many created forms we know as objects of land, sea, and many other forms; including the very nature of man and woman.

He announced to all that his name to Know Him by is, “I am” as in your life of being impart of all of the creations, He has sent the message that you hold this equality too His perfection of the “I am” of you, or you’re, “I am” as one with the Creator in the word of “Teleios”.

Teleios is universal in the equation of the human economics factor of life maintenance. Teleios makes a clear definition of the true origins of life itself by accepting all the good with the bad; as too be considered perfect does apply to every physics law to date and yet unveiled to the human condition of the world, as we know it today still seems a mystery.

You might be comfortably surprised, it might not change the Oppression or possible conditions personally you are experiencing within this existence, but if it helps take away despair, anger and frustration to become at peace with the Creator of “God” or also known as “I am”, than it is worth the journey.

Since I am an economist and financial student trying to become a Professor, I will repeat often. You can survive many of these days coming ahead and the challenges placed upon you financially, health, the raw facts of what makes us a human soul.

Answers to life through trusting past the gravity theory, but to trust with all of your heart, mind, thought, and soul, you have just entered the ability to adapt to survive the passion of changes within the decay of Man moving away from God and the original origins of His creations.

This God is who has invited you back to himself as you are perfect, “Teleios”, at all times within his eyes. Put on the glasses of the Creator and it will become extremely blurred. Blurred vision from placing God’s eye glasses because man and woman do not understand what true perfect means to the origins of creation and it is too be blurred until you think as the Creator thinks.

The Wow factor to get to know the Creator brings the human spirit to be forgiven from what binds one to imperfection in the failings that keep our internal gravity of the soul for growing, if only we accept the imperfection and move with them towards the Creator. We find the eternal motions to what makes the promises of eternal life even possible.

When you place your trust in God within the simplicity of Teleios, you have now the root origins of what God gives as His answer to all who seek to know His view of Creation. This is on the heels of the theory of the “Coase Oppression Theorem” as pushed by this writer for all to gain an understanding.

I kept it simple instead of the formulaic math that the quant’s and professors like to read and compare theories.
The next steps to learn and accept are open to the facts of making the Creator as part of your life, and your family’s lives.

You can make the best without making life filled with it being just about consumption and wanting it all with a veracious nature to over-living out of our means. However, the importance is sent from all the current austerity environments have led to teach all to live within ones means. To moderate consumption to live within ones means and share this consumption with all fellow human life forms that seeks the same resolve of consciousness.

The greed and fear of Wall Street and Main Street have bubbled in many countries as the problem within achieving a true economic recovery that can be sustainable. This is where one can mark always the knowledge of knowing how to have the edge over those that still don’t or do not want to get it.

All those that continue to cause eroding and damaging effects to the worlds we live in or those who seek the ruin over those with that as their unconscious mission of causing a severe decay in the Creators design of an society of high morals, ethics, and the many virtues that make a society survive. This is all about moral, ethical, and morals with the loss of virtues that continue to erode our nation and many other nations around our world.

This is the time to stand up and make a change individually first, then within your family, to invite back a calmness of knowing a creator that can be part of your daily life and bring yourself and the ones you love to live within their means.

It is that simple, it starts first from there; and it goes forward. I call it as certainly a call too many to step up and start, “Paying it forward” mentality. A paying forward of helping your neighbor as this builds a village to a nation to a global world of sustainable growth as I think we all seek under the equation of incorporating the Creator of “God” back within or lives.

As far-fetched as this thought may be, investing and winning in the stock market, just try to take risk and make it a smaller portion of what is considered a manageable risk. Know what risk means. I have said this before:

What is a manageable risk was asked before, but what is risk to you personally or to a world in change?
Risk defined for those who think they know the answer as I have written before.

It is when you feel you are no longer afraid that anything can ever be taken away from you. I call it the house always wins if you think of yourself as the house.
It is the end of the story in the Bible that the best example of risk is given, if it is a book you have ever read. The bet has already been set and the hedge is set as the house wins in the end as the Creator of “I am” also known again as “God”.

The smart minds can run the options and all the numbers in the markets and this is OK.

It is considered wrong though when they take measures to scheme and take as seen through, PONZI and all the other conditions that have now have occurred causing the world of MA & PA to become open to Coase Human Oppression Economics.

We know God in the equation will equal a social order that will consume with a sense of not wanting it all and living more within their means.

The Risk for the market bets are taken care of through taking emotion out and entering the math of “no greed” and “no fear”. Just what is needed to get what is too establish the life style within an actable social order of a creator that would be within the equation.

RISK ULTIMALY SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKED AT BY THE VIEW POINT OF ONES TREASURES THEY HOLD EVEN IF THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW THEY OWN THAT ARE HIDDEN, AS ONLY TO THEIR SOUL AND TO NEVER JUST VIEW RISK TO THE DOLLAR OR AN ITEM THAT CAN BE WORN OR CONSUMED.
WE ALREADY KNOW THE SIDE TO PLACE MOST OF YOUR PORTFOLIO OF WHAT IS THE TREASURES OF THE SOUL OF THE YOU THAT LIVES TO READ THIS ARTICLE AND THEN ASK:

Where do I have most of my portfolio of my true treasures placed?

Best way I know of explaining of being on the side of risk when it comes to the ultimate side of risk. Eternal, Risks… One to keep at the front of all to think seriously about and not toss the towel in; as the message sent by the writings and given the headlines sent by Hawking and Miodinow.

Prove there is a God no longer needs to be answered. The knowledge of knowing who you are as a form of life with the soul of the origin of given by the Creator says it all.

May you keep yourself or your families calm, in what seems a sea of storms of so many wanting to take away and not add to being part of the co-creation as all have been invited by the Creator to enter.

For now, Peace I am Out of Here for Now, but never count out God as one that remains part of every equation in all physics formulas to date…

James G

Posted by far-fetched | Report as abusive

And where, Professor Hawking, did the law of gravity originate?
I remember a dictum from philosophy: “Nihil ex nihilo fit.” Nothing I have read from contemporary scientists has led me to believe that this dictum is anything but true.
Physicists should stick to physics. And theologians should stick to theology.

Posted by WVBill | Report as abusive

Hawking’s conclusion does not object the sole question- the existence of God. For those who believe that God does not exist, it is another confirmation of their belief in almighty physics. Neither will it convince believers in the opposite of their faith.
Hawking is a genius, no question. But with that entire genius mind he has. He also, like all of us stumble the core question, the existence of God. Physics itself does not opposite God, but rather it is the tool to understand and explore the universe created by God.
When I read articles on quantum physics, I tell you the truth, I’m amazed how great our universe is and how it is perfectly designed and works with unbelievable precision. This only points to how great our Creator is. God is a great mathematician and physicist. He designed the laws of physics and they perfectly work. Hawking himself said that: “Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.” It means that the universe is a self sustained system perfectly made to exist this way but it doesn’t say that it exists without the existence of God.
The laws of physics do not object the existence of God but understanding of them unleashes our mind to greater understanding of the Creator.
God has the level of intelligence far greater than all mankind will ever acquire. It is written in the bible: “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts” And this is good because in eternal life it will take eternity to understand and explore eternal God. We will never get bored and will always be amazed at how great our God is.
For some people it takes a little faith to accept existence of God while for others it is a long process, some questions need to be answered for them. But no matter how much knowledge you have about the universe and everything. In the long run, it always comes down to what you believe in. This is a great philosophical idea of this universe. This is how God designed it. God gives us a choice, even a choice to believe in Him or not.
For those who don’t want to see or hear God, they will never see and hear God. But those who seek Him will find Him in everything.
If I created the universe I would probably want to show myself to this little arrogant humans which I created and go against me. But God is not like that. He does not need my appraisals to exist.
I owe Him my life, my body my human being and everything I have in my life. God chose to have me on this planet, I did not. He chose to love me by creating me. He has given us the freedom of choice, even the choice to believe in Him or not. I still have a choice to believe in Him or not, to love Him or not. Love is a choice.

Posted by ua_uk_us | Report as abusive

It i clear that this author has not actually read the book. Hawking hasn’t said that there is no God. In fact, he tries to disprove Newton’s theory that the “big bang” was physics. I am sure that Hawking will find this article helpful for the sale of his books but this will be neither the first or the last time Mr. Michael Holden has written, perceives, and strews something completely out of context. What do you expect from him?

Posted by Rkrey1 | Report as abusive

Many of you seem to not be using reason.
By saying that “God” is needed in this equation… you are putting in a variable that means nothing.

God means nothing but that. A simple word with no physical appearance or anything, merely an idea based on a book that gives no evidence supporting G_D.

What you don’t understand is that if you want to feel better and use the word “GOD”.. then go ahead.

GRAVITY = GOD.

nuff said.

Posted by RmandoXLogic | Report as abusive

don’t fret all those whow would believe. The simplest of questions still can not be answered by the greatest minds on the planet. “How is Life”. That quirky anti entropic state that surrounds us yet goes entirely unexplained. Sure we understand the chemistry, biology, physics, genetics. But the real mystery is the origin. That we will never explain or reproduce. That is the mystery of life which reminds me of our creator. Go on you disbelievers cook up some fresh LIFE from your primordial pile of crap. Good Luck

Posted by jjvc | Report as abusive

Dear Dr. Hawking,

One salient point is not explained.

Where there is nothing, there are no laws.

No Laws, there is no physics.

Where, why, what and when created those laws.

That is the question, which the laws of physics cannot explain.

Barry Stevens, Ph.D.
Arlington, TX

Posted by BarryOnEnergy | Report as abusive

I am impressed that some have objectively thought this through.
One, let’s make a distinction between religion and spiritualism. I see the definition of religion as ritual, and as such our governments are steeped in ritual.
Two, (and try to really understand what I am saying) science is only man trying to define the parameters of GOD.
Three, the leading philosophers of the last five to six hundred years have come to know that each of us define the world from inside our own heads using our senses for external input which we decode and translate in our own heads. They came up with are you (anyone outside of myself) a creation of my own emptiness so that I don’t seem alone. If you have the capacity of deep thought you can come up with the same supposition. What the leading thinkers have come up with is we accept you (anyone else) as being self evident.
Well guess what? God is self evident. I am not a religious man, I fall so short of any ritual but I know God, and God is self evident. When I say I know God I am saying that the existence of God is self evident and beyond dispute.
For you young souls that immediately take offence to the Bible you may take the time to read it so you at least may appear to know what you are talking about, the Bible is a history book that tells us about the history of the Jewish people. This is the oldest and most complete history book that exists today. Anyone could learn from it, it shows us every aspect of man from the lowest depravity man sink, to the elation of the sprit in the Love of Christ.
Man is the one that causes wars and pain in others. Man is the one to lord his authority over his brothers and sisters. Man is the one who developed religions. I will take Gods laws any day over mans!
Steve should read his bible because the Big Bang was not the first instance.

Posted by Consult | Report as abusive

For a completely different reaction to this, check out “Stephen Hawking: The Myths and the Critics” at the Norse Mythology Blog.

http://www.norsemyth.org/2010/09/stephen -hawking-myths-and-critics.html

Posted by A.Johnson | Report as abusive

What if the Sun Didnt Rise? – a perspective explored by Lana Wilken

The difference between living peacefully and living in fear is faith. Through faith, we know the ultimate outcome, yet know we can still work to do well…..through fear we live with doubt, and when doubting, cannot see truth.

We have faith in the sun rising. If it is dark one morning, we know it must be a storm, or an eclipse … Or????Something…! It’s certainly something other than the notion that the sun did not rise at all … Because we have faith, correct?  I mean, we REALLY do KNOW that some other factor must be causing it to stay dark, right?

Because we know the truth, we too have hope.  We simply work to find the explanation as to why we can’t see it…maybe an unexpected weather phenomenon?  We never doubt it rose. We have peace in knowing we will see it’s rays again.

Ok now just imagine for a moment, if we actually did not have this faith in the rising of the sun….like we could actually accept the fact that it could very well not rise one day….how would we respond to a dark morning? The answer to that is, in fear…..Fear that the sun did not rise.

Now go one step further, and if we consider that all beliefs are personal truths, (if you believe it, then it is true to you), than in this situation, it is “true”…. The sun could simply not rise one day. So now your faith in this “misguided truth” no longer fosters hope, but rather, hopelessness.  For we will all most certainly  perish without it’s warming rays…

Now consider the different responses and choice of actions one might take within each of these two perspectives when they hear someone say to us,  ”don’t worry, it rose… It always does and always will …  there must be a logical explanation as to why we can’t see it…”

The faithful perspective — confirmation, comfort, peace hope and clarity of the action plan to take.   The focus must be on finding what is covering the sun, not that it didn’t rise.

The other perspective- we would find no comfort in those words because we doubt.  With doubt, we fear, we cannot know the truth. And therefore we could spend our entire life trying to “fix” the wrong thing….. In this case, we may spend our lives trying to figure out how to make the sun rise, instead of clearing the air to reveal it.  We may fearfully spend hopeless hours preparing for our inevitable death instead of using the tools we have to clear the air and expose the risen sun.

Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of things even if you cannot see them.   Ironically, musn’t we all have faith in something, to derive at fear?   Musn’t we have faith in the notion that we would all perish without the sun?

Why do we choose to accept some truths, and not others?  Or worse yet, accept lies as truths? Based on what? Our own perceptions?

Why is so difficult for some to accept the truth that Jesus, is in essence both the “Son” and the “sun”?   That He is the truth, the light and the way!  He ROSE… And just like the sun he created,  we all too will rise… Why can we have faith in the sun, but not the Son?

Why do we spend those countless hours trying to “prepare for our inevitible death, instead of using the tools we have (like scripture) to clear the air and expose the SON?”

Perhaps one may easily say it is what is seen or unseen– but we don’t see gravity, and yet we still have faith that we won’t fly off the ground! Why? Because we are standing on it right now!

So my brothers and sisters, I encourage you to ponder over this philosophy that the holy spirit drove into my head, and help those around you that are “riding the fence of faith” or feel like they don’t need to hear the word on a regular basis…. why not try to ask the questions to those or even ourselves like this:

“If we so accept without question that we rely on, yet cannot stop, hundreds of life-sustaining miraculous occurancances daily — like gravity and the rising sun — then whats so crazy about the notion that perhaps the gravity and rising sun were CREATED by the same unseen power that also gave us an EARTH to stand ON, and a BODY to stand WITH?  I MEAN we’re already like 90% there from
what we accept everday…so why do we let ourselves stop short?

Perhaps simply reveal this perspective in your own words to your friends and family, could make a difference in someone’s life… Maybe spend some time going the extra mile for the next few days — by noticing the things you take for granted, that are just as miraculous as god himself, and then linking them all together.

Kind of like laminin — right, pipeline?

May you have a blessed day and enjoy examining the roots of your faith!
Lana

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For those not familiar with the “science of miracles” here is an exerpt — it really puts itbALL into perpective!
 
Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzrWimkII Lg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Posted by hARTofFaith | Report as abusive

I suggest Stephen Hawking should start reading a passage from Isaiah 66:1-2, which reads:

‘The Lord says, “Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house, then, could you build for me, what kind of place for me to live in? I myself created the whole universe!”…’

Source: http://www.biblestudytools.com/gnta/isai ah/passage.aspx?q=Isaiah+66:1-2

So Stephen, don’t rely on your finite knowledge. As Albert Einstein once said:

“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

Posted by benjnunez | Report as abusive

People used to worship the moon and the sun. Now we know that they are not Gods.

There is a common misunderstanding taking place.

Hawking’s statement that our understanding of forces like gravity could explain how the universe arose from nothing means that no super-intelligent being was necessary in an equation that would describe these events. Much like there is no need for an outside agent in the mathematical calculations that explain why an airplane much heavier than air can soar like a bird. There is no magic at work here. There is no spirit picking up the plane and pushing it off the ground. It happens by forces which we understand. We can explain it using our understanding of these forces.

As in the case of the formation of the universe, we do not know things about the forces involved in the flight of an airplane.

For example:

Gravity: we may understand a lot about the way gravity works, but we do not know technically what gravity is , where it came from or how it came to be. This is likely completely unknowable to beings in this universe as it is an inherent property of the universe and we can not replicate the universe’s beginning nor the state that preceded it. We can’t even imagine it.

Mass and Energy: E=mc² explains the relationship between Energy and mass. It does not explain what Energy is or what Mass is. We may be able to figure out how they behave but there will always be this mystery about what they are exactly and where they came from or how they came to be. Every physical object in the universe is made of matter which has mass which is energy. That means that technically, we do not know what the plane, the runway, the air or the pilot are when you get right down to the essence of things.

So, would you who are arguing against Hawking argue that God makes airplanes fly despite the fact that we do not know everything about it?

For those who say yes, I say to you that there have been thousands of Gods on the planet and there is no proof for yours over any of the others except for maybe consensus. But as is proven all the time on Wikipedia, consensus does not make something correct.

God is just one proof-less possibility for how these things occur. I could say that my pinky toe is responsible for the creation of the universe and you could not prove that your God is more powerful than my pinky toe. Faith does not involve rational explanation, logic, reason or proof. If I believe my toe is the almighty, and especially if lots of other people become convinced of it, then to us, that is the way it is.

Science does not work that way.
________________________________________ ______________

An important point about Science is that not knowing is better than making up an answer. Einstein’s hypothesis of Relativity became a theory when it was tested and shown by experimental data to be more correct than the Newtonian theory which preceded it.

In scientific work, an answer is proposed, tested with experiment and confirmed as a viable theory.

Theories (such as Newton’s) are sometimes overturned and proven wrong by better theories, but until they are, they are held as the best possible explanation the human race has come up with.

As far as the origin of the universe or of life on this planet, science has not provided a theory that reasonably explains either (though there are many hypotheses under consideration/development).
(By the way, Evolution theory explains what happened after life began, not the actual beginning of life itself, and it does so very well.)

It is the position of the scientific community that we (human kind) do not know the facts about these origins and though we are trying to figure them out, it is OK that we currently do not know.

Stephen Hawking would like to know how the singularity got there. He would like to know how gravity and other natural laws of the universe came to be. He is trying to figure them out along with the other physicists working on these problems.

They very well may never succeed.

If science can not explain how the universe began, humans in general can not explain it. The only rational stance to take is that we do not know, and for the time being that is OK.

It is not wise, reasonable or rational to go making up stories about how these things happened and claiming that you have the answer.

That is what religion does. As sure as Christians are that God created the universe, people in other religions are certain that their God(s) did it in a different way. No religion has any proof over any other. They have no proof at all. Hawking can not say that God might have created the singularity or gravity because there is no evidence of it. He is working in the land of confirm-able facts.

Once again Hawking is stating that humans can come to understand the physical process that began the universe from nothing, without invoking a magic wand, purple flying dragon or bearded white-robed man in the sky to make the equation work.

He is not saying he knows how or why it began, or what came before. Just that the process of arising from nothing can be understood without giving it up to magic.

He is speaking for the smartest community of humans on the planet earth. He in essence speaks on behalf of the combined human knowledge amassed through the entire history of the human race.

Posted by UKnowIKnow | Report as abusive

I have read and taken all of the comment posts. They have provided insights for discovery.

I welcome all seeking deeper understanding to the origins of life and life defined. The two links prepared; are for those trying to extend their knowledge within Random Gravity Discovered.

http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/566027 -james-gornick/104236-a-tangled-mortgage -mess-shaping-up

http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/566027 -james-gornick/91579-the-final-questions -posed-by-stephen-hawking-god-not-needed -for-creation

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[...] to reduce our perceiving to our own perceptions. To subsume our creating under our creations. To build an image and call it a god. Posted by yellowsemilla Filed in Uncategorized Leave a Comment » LikeBe the first to [...]

And The Gravity said, let it be light, and It saw it was good. And The Gravity said, let it be water, life, plants, fish and men, and so it was. Ow, I am impressed how smart gravity is, we could even say that the heavens declare Its glory… let it be brilliant Human beings that will have free will to choose what they want to believe and to think they know everything about almost nothing. I admire how bright this guy is, but I prefer thinking God is smarter than him. The law is amazing, the natural ones and the moral ones, but only one marvelous being can make sense and give propose to all the beauty for humans can only grasp the surface and be amazed with.

Posted by brauliodantas | Report as abusive

[...] after writing showed me I’m hardly the first to think of this. For one thing, Stephen Hawking writes along similar lines, though he comes to rather different conclusions than I might. Also see here, here, and here, just [...]

What nerve this silly little narcissist has. And I’m not bible-thumper, just wise enough to know we don’t know what we don’t know. I wish I could debate him in person….

Posted by ascetic43 | Report as abusive

Lets forget about god for a moment. The main question in front of human being is ‘why’. Human being has the answer to the questions for ‘how’. For example if for a moment we just agree to the Hawkins theory blindly, what exactly comes out from it? From the theory we come to solution that ‘how’ the gravity works in this whole universe. But if we put question ‘why’ the gravity exists. What would have happened if gravity would not been in existence. My point is whatever we see and whatever human being know till now, what would have happened if those things does not exists. Why always two molecules of hydrogen and one molecule of oxygen join to form water. What would have happened if two molecule of nitrogen and one molecule of oxygen joined to form water. The biggest question is why these laws has been set. Another question comes to our mind is there anyone who has created everything and set the laws which we know till now.What is the reason for which this universe exist. Lets discuss about the term ‘nothing’.What is nothing. The part of the universe which is not filled by matter is nothing. But how can nothing be explained without something, that is matter. We are saying that nothing is, where there is no existence of matter. If we imagine a state of the universe when there was absolutely zero existence of matter, there will be absolute nothingness everywhere. Then what we will call this state. If there is nothing everywhere how can we call a ‘nothing’ as a different state of universe. Without anything there can’t be a situation which we can call as ‘nothing’. Then we can say that the matter was always there. Actually we have to cross the boundaries of existence and ‘non existence’ or ‘nothingness’. It is sure that there is something which is beyond the boundaries of existence and non existence. Urge to know the ultimate truth has always been the main goal of human being. But the tragedy lies in the fact that there is no one who can really guide human being to cross the ultimate boundary. Whether he is Hawkings,Eienstine or any other scientist, is really a symbol of this tragedy that human being has come on this earth has been a long time now. But today also we cant find any clue to the fundamental questions such as who we are? From where we had came from? What is birth and what is death.

Posted by bnghj | Report as abusive

Okay, I am not a scientists, and I am a dumb when it comes to mathematics, but very soon, we’ll see true facts behind every false theories from our scientists ( Science is not the problem, the problem is “some” of our feeble scientists who wanted to be renowned by force, thus creating problems to make science a problem). They are using calculation to define issues of observation; they are proving to you things they themselves haven’t seen with their own eyes; they designed cameras and computers to make their theories work in line; they thoughts ” we can remove the hand of the Creator by denying Him in our theories, so people could believe they existed for nothing”. They said things drop to the centre of the earth because a force attract them, and whatever does go up must come down. Well, I have seen things which goes up but never come down- How about that? Why isn’t gravity attracting it? Can we breathe in the air in the space? Is there atmosphere there atall? Not really! The theory of gravity is hoax; there is no gravity! Though it may be in the space, but never ever on this very planet I live.

Was this not the same Hawking who said God created the Sun? Few months later, he denied God didn’t! Now he is telling you gravity formed you from nothing, to make you feel nothing from nothing, so you can live for nothing and die for nothing! Guys, wake up! If you need to understand any mysteries behind human existence, please read the Bible, and simply ask for wisdom, knowledge and understanding. I did just this and I have been inspired things that can be done to effectively stop the “giant pilar that riad our lands”. All I know, and that I’ll adhere to is that there is a Creator whose hands are full of wonders and mind with creative thoughts; He created the stars and the sun, he created the moon, too. HE CREATED YOU- All these I knew before reading the Bible atall. And if you don’t want to bring in religion in this sense, simply put away religion theories and explanation of Life, and embark on serious NATURE EXPLORATION, and you’ll see a creative mind in the centre of everything in LIFE.
There is a loving, intelligent, sweet, faithful and mighty creator who created every discovered and undiscovered species we have seen and yet to see and that we’ll never see; His name is Jehovaah, the almighty, the all-powerful, the all-controller!

Thank you,
Emmanuel.

Posted by Serenityprince | Report as abusive

Romans 1:18-32

God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Posted by Anonymous | Report as abusive

IF MAN CANNOT SEE THEE GOD IN BEAUTY…IF MAN CANNOT SEE BEAUTY IN HIM SELF AND HIS SURROUNDINGS…. MEANING OF IT ITS THAT THE MAN DISCONNECTED HIM SELF FROM HIM SELF, THE UNIVERSE.
Intelligence it is something that belong to universe where human brain with its capacity its just a consequence of it.

Fragmented imitation of all that is. Be not tricked by ego or all that you will know will be the emptiness and suffer of yours and those that surround you. Ugliness subsist underneath of all creation.

God is quintessence absolute emanate from connection of all intelligence, spirituality and spirit together where only way to become part of him is trough the perception, creation and appreciation of beauty that subsist over-neath of all creation.

Everything depend of our perception where our perception create from us what we are and from our world what it is.

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