Comments on: God did not create the universe, gravity did, says Stephen Hawking http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/09/02/god-did-not-create-the-universe-gravity-did-says-stephen-hawking/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: thebriang http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/09/02/god-did-not-create-the-universe-gravity-did-says-stephen-hawking/comment-page-1/#comment-80744 Tue, 09 Dec 2014 23:38:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=15097#comment-80744 lol, iron age peasant’s sky god’s are funny.

So sorry for the millions of humans that lived and died before the birth of religion, you were born too early and thus get to live eternity in burning fire for your sin of bad timing.

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By: dyllman http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/09/02/god-did-not-create-the-universe-gravity-did-says-stephen-hawking/comment-page-1/#comment-80729 Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:33:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=15097#comment-80729 Big bang, and Let there be light are really the same thing, but Let there be light is a whole lot more elegant. Amen.

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By: Slavochaos http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/09/02/god-did-not-create-the-universe-gravity-did-says-stephen-hawking/comment-page-1/#comment-77556 Mon, 16 Sep 2013 04:51:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=15097#comment-77556 IF MAN CANNOT SEE THEE GOD IN BEAUTY…IF MAN CANNOT SEE BEAUTY IN HIM SELF AND HIS SURROUNDINGS…. MEANING OF IT ITS THAT THE MAN DISCONNECTED HIM SELF FROM HIM SELF, THE UNIVERSE.
Intelligence it is something that belong to universe where human brain with its capacity its just a consequence of it.

Fragmented imitation of all that is. Be not tricked by ego or all that you will know will be the emptiness and suffer of yours and those that surround you. Ugliness subsist underneath of all creation.

God is quintessence absolute emanate from connection of all intelligence, spirituality and spirit together where only way to become part of him is trough the perception, creation and appreciation of beauty that subsist over-neath of all creation.

Everything depend of our perception where our perception create from us what we are and from our world what it is.

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By: Anonymous http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/09/02/god-did-not-create-the-universe-gravity-did-says-stephen-hawking/comment-page-1/#comment-75167 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:38:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=15097#comment-75167 Romans 1:18-32

God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

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By: Serenityprince http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/09/02/god-did-not-create-the-universe-gravity-did-says-stephen-hawking/comment-page-1/#comment-32482 Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:31:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=15097#comment-32482 Okay, I am not a scientists, and I am a dumb when it comes to mathematics, but very soon, we’ll see true facts behind every false theories from our scientists ( Science is not the problem, the problem is “some” of our feeble scientists who wanted to be renowned by force, thus creating problems to make science a problem). They are using calculation to define issues of observation; they are proving to you things they themselves haven’t seen with their own eyes; they designed cameras and computers to make their theories work in line; they thoughts ” we can remove the hand of the Creator by denying Him in our theories, so people could believe they existed for nothing”. They said things drop to the centre of the earth because a force attract them, and whatever does go up must come down. Well, I have seen things which goes up but never come down- How about that? Why isn’t gravity attracting it? Can we breathe in the air in the space? Is there atmosphere there atall? Not really! The theory of gravity is hoax; there is no gravity! Though it may be in the space, but never ever on this very planet I live.

Was this not the same Hawking who said God created the Sun? Few months later, he denied God didn’t! Now he is telling you gravity formed you from nothing, to make you feel nothing from nothing, so you can live for nothing and die for nothing! Guys, wake up! If you need to understand any mysteries behind human existence, please read the Bible, and simply ask for wisdom, knowledge and understanding. I did just this and I have been inspired things that can be done to effectively stop the “giant pilar that riad our lands”. All I know, and that I’ll adhere to is that there is a Creator whose hands are full of wonders and mind with creative thoughts; He created the stars and the sun, he created the moon, too. HE CREATED YOU- All these I knew before reading the Bible atall. And if you don’t want to bring in religion in this sense, simply put away religion theories and explanation of Life, and embark on serious NATURE EXPLORATION, and you’ll see a creative mind in the centre of everything in LIFE.
There is a loving, intelligent, sweet, faithful and mighty creator who created every discovered and undiscovered species we have seen and yet to see and that we’ll never see; His name is Jehovaah, the almighty, the all-powerful, the all-controller!

Thank you,
Emmanuel.

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By: bnghj http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/09/02/god-did-not-create-the-universe-gravity-did-says-stephen-hawking/comment-page-1/#comment-32066 Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:29:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=15097#comment-32066 Lets forget about god for a moment. The main question in front of human being is ‘why’. Human being has the answer to the questions for ‘how’. For example if for a moment we just agree to the Hawkins theory blindly, what exactly comes out from it? From the theory we come to solution that ‘how’ the gravity works in this whole universe. But if we put question ‘why’ the gravity exists. What would have happened if gravity would not been in existence. My point is whatever we see and whatever human being know till now, what would have happened if those things does not exists. Why always two molecules of hydrogen and one molecule of oxygen join to form water. What would have happened if two molecule of nitrogen and one molecule of oxygen joined to form water. The biggest question is why these laws has been set. Another question comes to our mind is there anyone who has created everything and set the laws which we know till now.What is the reason for which this universe exist. Lets discuss about the term ‘nothing’.What is nothing. The part of the universe which is not filled by matter is nothing. But how can nothing be explained without something, that is matter. We are saying that nothing is, where there is no existence of matter. If we imagine a state of the universe when there was absolutely zero existence of matter, there will be absolute nothingness everywhere. Then what we will call this state. If there is nothing everywhere how can we call a ‘nothing’ as a different state of universe. Without anything there can’t be a situation which we can call as ‘nothing’. Then we can say that the matter was always there. Actually we have to cross the boundaries of existence and ‘non existence’ or ‘nothingness’. It is sure that there is something which is beyond the boundaries of existence and non existence. Urge to know the ultimate truth has always been the main goal of human being. But the tragedy lies in the fact that there is no one who can really guide human being to cross the ultimate boundary. Whether he is Hawkings,Eienstine or any other scientist, is really a symbol of this tragedy that human being has come on this earth has been a long time now. But today also we cant find any clue to the fundamental questions such as who we are? From where we had came from? What is birth and what is death.

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By: ascetic43 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/09/02/god-did-not-create-the-universe-gravity-did-says-stephen-hawking/comment-page-1/#comment-32028 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:17:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=15097#comment-32028 What nerve this silly little narcissist has. And I’m not bible-thumper, just wise enough to know we don’t know what we don’t know. I wish I could debate him in person….

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By: brauliodantas http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/09/02/god-did-not-create-the-universe-gravity-did-says-stephen-hawking/comment-page-1/#comment-30991 Mon, 06 Jun 2011 01:21:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=15097#comment-30991 And The Gravity said, let it be light, and It saw it was good. And The Gravity said, let it be water, life, plants, fish and men, and so it was. Ow, I am impressed how smart gravity is, we could even say that the heavens declare Its glory… let it be brilliant Human beings that will have free will to choose what they want to believe and to think they know everything about almost nothing. I admire how bright this guy is, but I prefer thinking God is smarter than him. The law is amazing, the natural ones and the moral ones, but only one marvelous being can make sense and give propose to all the beauty for humans can only grasp the surface and be amazed with.

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By: far-fetched http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/09/02/god-did-not-create-the-universe-gravity-did-says-stephen-hawking/comment-page-1/#comment-26704 Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:54:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=15097#comment-26704 I have read and taken all of the comment posts. They have provided insights for discovery.

I welcome all seeking deeper understanding to the origins of life and life defined. The two links prepared; are for those trying to extend their knowledge within Random Gravity Discovered.

http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/566027 -james-gornick/104236-a-tangled-mortgage -mess-shaping-up

http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/566027 -james-gornick/91579-the-final-questions -posed-by-stephen-hawking-god-not-needed -for-creation

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By: UKnowIKnow http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/09/02/god-did-not-create-the-universe-gravity-did-says-stephen-hawking/comment-page-1/#comment-25913 Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:49:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=15097#comment-25913 People used to worship the moon and the sun. Now we know that they are not Gods.

There is a common misunderstanding taking place.

Hawking’s statement that our understanding of forces like gravity could explain how the universe arose from nothing means that no super-intelligent being was necessary in an equation that would describe these events. Much like there is no need for an outside agent in the mathematical calculations that explain why an airplane much heavier than air can soar like a bird. There is no magic at work here. There is no spirit picking up the plane and pushing it off the ground. It happens by forces which we understand. We can explain it using our understanding of these forces.

As in the case of the formation of the universe, we do not know things about the forces involved in the flight of an airplane.

For example:

Gravity: we may understand a lot about the way gravity works, but we do not know technically what gravity is , where it came from or how it came to be. This is likely completely unknowable to beings in this universe as it is an inherent property of the universe and we can not replicate the universe’s beginning nor the state that preceded it. We can’t even imagine it.

Mass and Energy: E=mc² explains the relationship between Energy and mass. It does not explain what Energy is or what Mass is. We may be able to figure out how they behave but there will always be this mystery about what they are exactly and where they came from or how they came to be. Every physical object in the universe is made of matter which has mass which is energy. That means that technically, we do not know what the plane, the runway, the air or the pilot are when you get right down to the essence of things.

So, would you who are arguing against Hawking argue that God makes airplanes fly despite the fact that we do not know everything about it?

For those who say yes, I say to you that there have been thousands of Gods on the planet and there is no proof for yours over any of the others except for maybe consensus. But as is proven all the time on Wikipedia, consensus does not make something correct.

God is just one proof-less possibility for how these things occur. I could say that my pinky toe is responsible for the creation of the universe and you could not prove that your God is more powerful than my pinky toe. Faith does not involve rational explanation, logic, reason or proof. If I believe my toe is the almighty, and especially if lots of other people become convinced of it, then to us, that is the way it is.

Science does not work that way.
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An important point about Science is that not knowing is better than making up an answer. Einstein’s hypothesis of Relativity became a theory when it was tested and shown by experimental data to be more correct than the Newtonian theory which preceded it.

In scientific work, an answer is proposed, tested with experiment and confirmed as a viable theory.

Theories (such as Newton’s) are sometimes overturned and proven wrong by better theories, but until they are, they are held as the best possible explanation the human race has come up with.

As far as the origin of the universe or of life on this planet, science has not provided a theory that reasonably explains either (though there are many hypotheses under consideration/development).
(By the way, Evolution theory explains what happened after life began, not the actual beginning of life itself, and it does so very well.)

It is the position of the scientific community that we (human kind) do not know the facts about these origins and though we are trying to figure them out, it is OK that we currently do not know.

Stephen Hawking would like to know how the singularity got there. He would like to know how gravity and other natural laws of the universe came to be. He is trying to figure them out along with the other physicists working on these problems.

They very well may never succeed.

If science can not explain how the universe began, humans in general can not explain it. The only rational stance to take is that we do not know, and for the time being that is OK.

It is not wise, reasonable or rational to go making up stories about how these things happened and claiming that you have the answer.

That is what religion does. As sure as Christians are that God created the universe, people in other religions are certain that their God(s) did it in a different way. No religion has any proof over any other. They have no proof at all. Hawking can not say that God might have created the singularity or gravity because there is no evidence of it. He is working in the land of confirm-able facts.

Once again Hawking is stating that humans can come to understand the physical process that began the universe from nothing, without invoking a magic wand, purple flying dragon or bearded white-robed man in the sky to make the equation work.

He is not saying he knows how or why it began, or what came before. Just that the process of arising from nothing can be understood without giving it up to magic.

He is speaking for the smartest community of humans on the planet earth. He in essence speaks on behalf of the combined human knowledge amassed through the entire history of the human race.

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