God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Was this not the same Hawking who said God created the Sun? Few months later, he denied God didn’t! Now he is telling you gravity formed you from nothing, to make you feel nothing from nothing, so you can live for nothing and die for nothing! Guys, wake up! If you need to understand any mysteries behind human existence, please read the Bible, and simply ask for wisdom, knowledge and understanding. I did just this and I have been inspired things that can be done to effectively stop the “giant pilar that riad our lands”. All I know, and that I’ll adhere to is that there is a Creator whose hands are full of wonders and mind with creative thoughts; He created the stars and the sun, he created the moon, too. HE CREATED YOU- All these I knew before reading the Bible atall. And if you don’t want to bring in religion in this sense, simply put away religion theories and explanation of Life, and embark on serious NATURE EXPLORATION, and you’ll see a creative mind in the centre of everything in LIFE.
There is a loving, intelligent, sweet, faithful and mighty creator who created every discovered and undiscovered species we have seen and yet to see and that we’ll never see; His name is Jehovaah, the almighty, the all-powerful, the all-controller!

Thank you,
Emmanuel.

I welcome all seeking deeper understanding to the origins of life and life defined. The two links prepared; are for those trying to extend their knowledge within Random Gravity Discovered.

http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/566027 -james-gornick/104236-a-tangled-mortgage -mess-shaping-up

http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/566027 -james-gornick/91579-the-final-questions -posed-by-stephen-hawking-god-not-needed -for-creation

There is a common misunderstanding taking place.

Hawking’s statement that our understanding of forces like gravity could explain how the universe arose from nothing means that no super-intelligent being was necessary in an equation that would describe these events. Much like there is no need for an outside agent in the mathematical calculations that explain why an airplane much heavier than air can soar like a bird. There is no magic at work here. There is no spirit picking up the plane and pushing it off the ground. It happens by forces which we understand. We can explain it using our understanding of these forces.

As in the case of the formation of the universe, we do not know things about the forces involved in the flight of an airplane.

For example:

Gravity: we may understand a lot about the way gravity works, but we do not know technically what gravity is , where it came from or how it came to be. This is likely completely unknowable to beings in this universe as it is an inherent property of the universe and we can not replicate the universe’s beginning nor the state that preceded it. We can’t even imagine it.

Mass and Energy: E=mc² explains the relationship between Energy and mass. It does not explain what Energy is or what Mass is. We may be able to figure out how they behave but there will always be this mystery about what they are exactly and where they came from or how they came to be. Every physical object in the universe is made of matter which has mass which is energy. That means that technically, we do not know what the plane, the runway, the air or the pilot are when you get right down to the essence of things.

So, would you who are arguing against Hawking argue that God makes airplanes fly despite the fact that we do not know everything about it?

For those who say yes, I say to you that there have been thousands of Gods on the planet and there is no proof for yours over any of the others except for maybe consensus. But as is proven all the time on Wikipedia, consensus does not make something correct.

God is just one proof-less possibility for how these things occur. I could say that my pinky toe is responsible for the creation of the universe and you could not prove that your God is more powerful than my pinky toe. Faith does not involve rational explanation, logic, reason or proof. If I believe my toe is the almighty, and especially if lots of other people become convinced of it, then to us, that is the way it is.

Science does not work that way.
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An important point about Science is that not knowing is better than making up an answer. Einstein’s hypothesis of Relativity became a theory when it was tested and shown by experimental data to be more correct than the Newtonian theory which preceded it.

In scientific work, an answer is proposed, tested with experiment and confirmed as a viable theory.

Theories (such as Newton’s) are sometimes overturned and proven wrong by better theories, but until they are, they are held as the best possible explanation the human race has come up with.

As far as the origin of the universe or of life on this planet, science has not provided a theory that reasonably explains either (though there are many hypotheses under consideration/development).
(By the way, Evolution theory explains what happened after life began, not the actual beginning of life itself, and it does so very well.)

It is the position of the scientific community that we (human kind) do not know the facts about these origins and though we are trying to figure them out, it is OK that we currently do not know.

Stephen Hawking would like to know how the singularity got there. He would like to know how gravity and other natural laws of the universe came to be. He is trying to figure them out along with the other physicists working on these problems.

They very well may never succeed.

If science can not explain how the universe began, humans in general can not explain it. The only rational stance to take is that we do not know, and for the time being that is OK.

It is not wise, reasonable or rational to go making up stories about how these things happened and claiming that you have the answer.

That is what religion does. As sure as Christians are that God created the universe, people in other religions are certain that their God(s) did it in a different way. No religion has any proof over any other. They have no proof at all. Hawking can not say that God might have created the singularity or gravity because there is no evidence of it. He is working in the land of confirm-able facts.

Once again Hawking is stating that humans can come to understand the physical process that began the universe from nothing, without invoking a magic wand, purple flying dragon or bearded white-robed man in the sky to make the equation work.

He is not saying he knows how or why it began, or what came before. Just that the process of arising from nothing can be understood without giving it up to magic.

He is speaking for the smartest community of humans on the planet earth. He in essence speaks on behalf of the combined human knowledge amassed through the entire history of the human race.

‘The Lord says, “Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house, then, could you build for me, what kind of place for me to live in? I myself created the whole universe!”…’

Source: http://www.biblestudytools.com/gnta/isai ah/passage.aspx?q=Isaiah+66:1-2

So Stephen, don’t rely on your finite knowledge. As Albert Einstein once said:

“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzrWimkII Lg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

The difference between living peacefully and living in fear is faith. Through faith, we know the ultimate outcome, yet know we can still work to do well…..through fear we live with doubt, and when doubting, cannot see truth.

We have faith in the sun rising. If it is dark one morning, we know it must be a storm, or an eclipse … Or????Something…! It’s certainly something other than the notion that the sun did not rise at all … Because we have faith, correct?  I mean, we REALLY do KNOW that some other factor must be causing it to stay dark, right?

Because we know the truth, we too have hope.  We simply work to find the explanation as to why we can’t see it…maybe an unexpected weather phenomenon?  We never doubt it rose. We have peace in knowing we will see it’s rays again.

Ok now just imagine for a moment, if we actually did not have this faith in the rising of the sun….like we could actually accept the fact that it could very well not rise one day….how would we respond to a dark morning? The answer to that is, in fear…..Fear that the sun did not rise.

Now go one step further, and if we consider that all beliefs are personal truths, (if you believe it, then it is true to you), than in this situation, it is “true”…. The sun could simply not rise one day. So now your faith in this “misguided truth” no longer fosters hope, but rather, hopelessness.  For we will all most certainly  perish without it’s warming rays…

Now consider the different responses and choice of actions one might take within each of these two perspectives when they hear someone say to us,  ”don’t worry, it rose… It always does and always will …  there must be a logical explanation as to why we can’t see it…”

The faithful perspective — confirmation, comfort, peace hope and clarity of the action plan to take.   The focus must be on finding what is covering the sun, not that it didn’t rise.

The other perspective- we would find no comfort in those words because we doubt.  With doubt, we fear, we cannot know the truth. And therefore we could spend our entire life trying to “fix” the wrong thing….. In this case, we may spend our lives trying to figure out how to make the sun rise, instead of clearing the air to reveal it.  We may fearfully spend hopeless hours preparing for our inevitable death instead of using the tools we have to clear the air and expose the risen sun.

Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of things even if you cannot see them.   Ironically, musn’t we all have faith in something, to derive at fear?   Musn’t we have faith in the notion that we would all perish without the sun?

Why do we choose to accept some truths, and not others?  Or worse yet, accept lies as truths? Based on what? Our own perceptions?

Why is so difficult for some to accept the truth that Jesus, is in essence both the “Son” and the “sun”?   That He is the truth, the light and the way!  He ROSE… And just like the sun he created,  we all too will rise… Why can we have faith in the sun, but not the Son?

Why do we spend those countless hours trying to “prepare for our inevitible death, instead of using the tools we have (like scripture) to clear the air and expose the SON?”

Perhaps one may easily say it is what is seen or unseen– but we don’t see gravity, and yet we still have faith that we won’t fly off the ground! Why? Because we are standing on it right now!

So my brothers and sisters, I encourage you to ponder over this philosophy that the holy spirit drove into my head, and help those around you that are “riding the fence of faith” or feel like they don’t need to hear the word on a regular basis…. why not try to ask the questions to those or even ourselves like this:

“If we so accept without question that we rely on, yet cannot stop, hundreds of life-sustaining miraculous occurancances daily — like gravity and the rising sun — then whats so crazy about the notion that perhaps the gravity and rising sun were CREATED by the same unseen power that also gave us an EARTH to stand ON, and a BODY to stand WITH?  I MEAN we’re already like 90% there from
what we accept everday…so why do we let ourselves stop short?

Perhaps simply reveal this perspective in your own words to your friends and family, could make a difference in someone’s life… Maybe spend some time going the extra mile for the next few days — by noticing the things you take for granted, that are just as miraculous as god himself, and then linking them all together.

Kind of like laminin — right, pipeline?

May you have a blessed day and enjoy examining the roots of your faith!
Lana