Comments on: Most U.S. Protestant pastors doubt Beck, Obama are Christians-poll http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/12/07/most-u-s-protestant-pastors-doubt-beck-obama-are-christians-poll/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: hungba193 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/12/07/most-u-s-protestant-pastors-doubt-beck-obama-are-christians-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-42579 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:36:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=18573#comment-42579 The First Council of Nicaea, which was an early attempt by a group of Christian bishops to define the relationship between the Son and the Father, was convened in Nicaea in Bithynia (present-day Turkey), not Nice in France.
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By: Bartski http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/12/07/most-u-s-protestant-pastors-doubt-beck-obama-are-christians-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-29897 Sun, 06 Mar 2011 11:41:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=18573#comment-29897 In a similar poll by PEW, it was revealed that conservative Christians had the least knowledge of the Bible & their own religious denomination. For an accurate evaluation of any person; “it says in the Bible”, is a nonstarter. It means nothing. No religious affiliation is a guarantee of good content of ones character. The same holds true for Muslims, who must depend on dubious clerics to tell them what it says in the Qoran, as most do not understand Arabic, & simply mouth the sounds. I can relate to that, in a sense; having grown up Catholic & an altar boy during the final years of the universal use of Latin for the Mass.At the age of 10 or so;I could mouth pages of Latin, & hadn’t a clue what I was saying.But, more to the point; it shouldn’t matter what religion, if any, the president follows. Perhaps this should be kept confidential, & successful candidates should have to abstain from church attendance while in office.

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By: Brazilian1 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/12/07/most-u-s-protestant-pastors-doubt-beck-obama-are-christians-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-28357 Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:52:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=18573#comment-28357 Should a president who supports abortion be considered Christian? Just think about that. It is a crucial issue.

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By: Bruce427 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/12/07/most-u-s-protestant-pastors-doubt-beck-obama-are-christians-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-28015 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:09:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=18573#comment-28015 Oprah questioned Christianity when she heard a preacher say in a sermon that, “God is a jealous God,” (Exodus 20:2-5) and she simply rejected that God could be jealous (of her) because He is a God of love. (You can view the video on YouTube.)

But this merely demonstrates Oprah’s misunderstanding of Scripture. That passage, in context, does NOT mean God is jealous in the emotional sinful human sense, but simply the He will not share the worship of His people with any other (false) gods or idols. So Oprah simply misunderstood the meaning of that passage and apparently never bothered to investigate it further.

Oprah also rejected (live on her show) that Christ is the only way to God and believes there are many ways. Oprah: “I am a Christian who believes that there are certainly many more paths to God other than Christianity.” (That definition would be the antithesis of a Christian.)

But Christ Himself said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except by Me” (John 14:6). So either Oprah is wrong or Christ is wrong.

Furthermore, in 1st. Timothy 2:5 the Apostle Paul states: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” Then in Acts 4:12 Luke affirms: “There is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven [other than Christ] that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

So here we have Christ, the Apostle Paul, and Luke lined up explicitly opposing what Oprah wants to believe. You can decide for yourselves whose side you come down on.

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By: Bruce427 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/12/07/most-u-s-protestant-pastors-doubt-beck-obama-are-christians-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-28014 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:17:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=18573#comment-28014 Statement posted previously: ” …For example, Since Baptists believe baptism by immersion is necessary, then churches that baptize by sprinkling and those who believe that all you have to do is believe and baptism isn’t necessary are also not Christian.”

Response: You failed to note WHAT Baptists believe baptism by immersion is necessary — FOR. You left that dangling and gave the impression that Baptists believe it is necessary for *salvation.* Baptists don’t believe baptism by immersion is necessary for salvation, only that it best symbolizes the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. The Greek word “baptizo” (translated – baptize in English Bibles), was used of the dying of cloth where (obviously) the cloth was immersed in the solution and the solution was not simply sprinkled on the cloth.

But Baptists would absolutely affirm that the thief on the cross (next to Christ) was clearly saved, although he had no opportunity to be baptized. Furthermore, Baptists would certainly affirm that Methodists and Presbyterians (both of whom baptize by sprinkling) are their Christian brothers. Apart from different understandings of baptism, *historical* Baptist, and *historical* Presbyterian theology is nearly identical.

The reason I say “historical” is, both Presbyterian and Baptist denominations have liberal “branches” that have embraced the culture and wandered away from the historical teachings of Scripture — and do not represent the foundational and historical views of those denominations. The same is also true with Methodists although they hold to a somewhat different view regarding HOW salvation occurs than do historical Baptist and Presbyterians. Even so, the differing view of Methodists is not a heresy.

So just to set the record straight, Baptist do NOT believe those who baptize by sprinkling are not Christian.

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By: Bruce427 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/12/07/most-u-s-protestant-pastors-doubt-beck-obama-are-christians-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-27997 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 07:28:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=18573#comment-27997 >> [Some believe some are] not Christian because they interpret some scriptures differently than they do; believing in a living prophet and continuing revelation from God; also believing that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are three separate and distinct Beings — rather than all three existing in one body (which, by the way, was decided hundreds of years after Christ, at the council at Nice, France led by Constantine, who was couldn’t decide what the true nature of God is). <<

The first Council of Nicaea, 325 AD, (in Bithynia — modern Turkey — by the way, not France), did not “decide” the question of the Triniterian deity of Christ — that was already taught in Scripture — they only affirmed that was what the Scriptures taught. They did not decide something different than what was already taught in the Bible, but settled disagreements using Scripture itself. They rejected the “Arian heresy” — the view that taught Christ was only the “figurative” Son-of-God and not the “literal” Son-of-God. The Council affirmed that a “non-deity Christ” was not a Biblical teaching.

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By: Bruce427 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/12/07/most-u-s-protestant-pastors-doubt-beck-obama-are-christians-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-27996 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 06:58:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=18573#comment-27996 >> For example, Since Baptists believe baptism by immersion is necessary, then churches that baptize by sprinkling and those who believe that all you have to do is believe and baptism isn’t necessary are also not Christian. <> I also know the Mormons believe in unpaid ministry, and perhaps that is a threat to others who make their living in the ministry. <<

Also, not the case. The Apostle Paul himself taught that those who serve in the ministry of Christ are worthy to make their living — be paid — by those who are taught. A pastor being paid is clearly taught in scripture (1st. Corinthians 9:3-14). Although Paul did not insist upon exercising this “right,” he did demonstrate that it was taught in Scripture. (Of course, this would not include the “health, wealth, and prosperity tele-evangelists.”)

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By: Bruce427 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/12/07/most-u-s-protestant-pastors-doubt-beck-obama-are-christians-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-27995 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 05:49:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=18573#comment-27995 >> Mormons’ theology is based on First Century Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ comport more closely with Early Christianity than any other denomination. <<

This is simply not the case. LDS theology teaches that Christ and Lucifer are “spirit brothers” which cannot be true since Lucifer is a created being and Christ is the second person of the eternal Trinity. It also teaches: “What man now is, God once was. What God now is, man may become” (bringing the transcendent God down to the level of man, and teaching that Men may become “gods”). LDS theology teaches that women can only be “saved” through a “celestial marriage” to a Mormon man. LDS theology also elevates the “Book of Mormon” to a level equal to (or greater than) the Bible (I have had the white-shirted missionaries on bicycles tell me straight up that the Book of Mormon takes presidence over the Bible). Mormonism also rejects Original Sin, which is clearly taught in the Bible. And there is much more which does not “comport more closely to early Christianity.” The Apostle Paul would call Mormonism a “gospel of a different kind” (Galatians 1:8). Both Mormonism and Islam each maintain that THEY are the true remnant of God on earth (obviously one, or both, are wrong). Strangely, when you study both religions out, the theology of Islam is “closer” to Christianity than the theology of Mormonism (the theology of Islam is not close to Christianity, it’s just closER than Mormon theology).

But I will say that many “average” Mormons, as well as Christians, are ignorant of the major doctrines of their religion. Thus, many Mormons believe they are Christians, but have no understanding that much of their church’s “doctrine” stands in opposition to Biblical teachings. Beck perhaps falls into this category. Beck has testified he became a Mormon because it was a Mormon who help him out of his alcoholism. So it was not Mormon doctrine that led him to become Mormon.

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By: Bruce427 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/12/07/most-u-s-protestant-pastors-doubt-beck-obama-are-christians-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-27994 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 04:34:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=18573#comment-27994 The reason many Americans “believe” Obama is a Muslim is largely a self-inflicted wound on Obama’s part. He was the first president to pointed refuse to attend the annual Washington National Prayer Breakfast, saying, “I am the president of all Americans and not all Americans are Christians.” But then he turned right around and hosted a White House dinner for Muslim leaders in celebration of Ramadan (a Muslim holy season). So his own actions give many people pause to wonder.

Others don’t believe Obama is a Muslim, but think perhaps he might be a “christian” in the vein of his radical former pastor — Jeremiah Wright.

I personally don’t believe the president is a Muslim, I believe he is most likely a Secular person who perhaps simply *believes* he is a Christian. But many of his political advocacies are decidedly anti-Christian. Much of his “fruit” is not that of a Christian.

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By: Ruel http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/12/07/most-u-s-protestant-pastors-doubt-beck-obama-are-christians-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-27990 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:46:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=18573#comment-27990 People are often down on what they are not up on. We are often overwhelmed with current political news and personalities. News is readily available. Decisions (judgments) should be and are made. Glen Beck’s messages are readily available and open. His messages are timely and well researched. As usually happens, the message is decided based on the trust of the messenger. He does not hide the situation in his life and conversion to Mormonism nor does he try to force his belief on anyone else.
However, Mormon information, outside of the Church itself, is usually sporadic and limited because of the personal feelings of the presenter. To become “up on” Mormonism, I should think it would be wise to attend some of their worship services (visitors are welcome and no offering plates are are passed), hear the tenets of their belief from those who know and believe and speak with some of the 14,000,000 members to hear of their faith first hand. Those who read the Bible know it is a witness for the Savior, Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon is a second witness for Jesus Christ. To have a second witness for Christ may give an indication as to why the youth and adults of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were shown in a non Mormon survey, to be well versed on and believed in Christianity. Perhaps a second witness does increase knowledge and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His Father in Heaven.

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