Comments on: Will Pew Muslim birth rate study finally silence the “Eurabia” claim? http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/01/27/will-pew-muslim-birth-rate-study-finally-silence-the-eurabia-claim/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: tempodulu http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/01/27/will-pew-muslim-birth-rate-study-finally-silence-the-eurabia-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-78306 Fri, 04 Apr 2014 04:56:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=19310#comment-78306 London is already not an English city; about 40% white and 60% immigrants, nearly all from poor third world countries. Europe’s fate is transformation into a third world hell hole, ruled by religious tyrants. It’s sad that so many people died in WW2, when the freedoms they fought for are being thrown in the bin by Marxist politicians hell bent on destroying European cultures.

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By: Ballas http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/01/27/will-pew-muslim-birth-rate-study-finally-silence-the-eurabia-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-77921 Wed, 18 Dec 2013 12:42:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=19310#comment-77921 http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/the-f uture-of-the-global-muslim-population/

Globally, the Muslim population is forecast to grow at about twice the rate of the non-Muslim population over the next two decades – an average annual growth rate of 1.5% for Muslims, compared with 0.7% for non-Muslims. If current trends continue, Muslims will make up 26.4% of the world’s total projected population of 8.3 billion in 2030, up from 23.4% of the estimated 2010 world population of 6.9 billion.

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By: RoHf http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/01/27/will-pew-muslim-birth-rate-study-finally-silence-the-eurabia-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-77125 Mon, 01 Jul 2013 01:22:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=19310#comment-77125 @Tmss: Well, the US 7mn figure seems to be exaggerated, but the UK figures indeed show a doubling of the Muslim population over a decade.

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By: Tmss http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/01/27/will-pew-muslim-birth-rate-study-finally-silence-the-eurabia-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-77080 Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:35:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=19310#comment-77080 Well, the PEW statistics have shown to be a total farce and the number in the Eurabia claim is pretty much accurate.

— In 2010 the U.S. Muslim population was 2.6 million. PEW claimed it would double in 20 years. But by 2012 president Obama claimed the U.S. Muslim population had reached 7 million. Hardly the 2% increase projected by Brian Grim but rather more than a 250% increase.

— In 2001 the British government estimated the Muslim population to stand at 1.6 million. By 2012 that population was 3.3 million while it is being claimed that the unofficial number is 5 million. That’s more than a 100% increase, and again nothing as tiny as 2% or shrinking.

Nothing near the Pew statistics. On the contrary, country after country in Europe is getting closer to the Eurabia numbers. Meanwhile, honor murders, Muslim hate crimes against non-Muslims, Muslim violence and rape is just increasing each year.

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By: Dandylen http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/01/27/will-pew-muslim-birth-rate-study-finally-silence-the-eurabia-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-32625 Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:57:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=19310#comment-32625 revel224: “to show the dastardly Europeans who colonized, plundered, looted, and murdered countless souls and treasures of 3rd world many of them Muslims, what happens when a shoe is on the other foot.”

Revel- you discredit your own statement here when you lump all of “Europe” together, when in fact it was a mere handful of European nations that were largely responsible for what you’re talking about. The British in particular, and the Dutch, French and Belgians to a far lesser extent, did indeed colonise large swathes of the Muslim world. But the vast majority of Europe did not. The Scandinavians, Poles, Czechs, Greeks, Germans, Finns, Hungarians among others had absolutely nothing to do with colonisation of Muslim countries. Quite the opposite, as many of them were victims of corrupt Muslim colonisation thru e.g. the Ottoman Turks, who thrice failed to conquer Vienna and other vast regions.

In fact, the bulk of Europe largely avoided colonisation alltogether and weren’t involved in the dishonour of the slave trade. This is one reason that the Scandinavians and Germans have the most successful economies today- they have a culture that’s never relied on slave labour and thus has become adapted to doing its own manual labour and doing it well, hence their manufacturing prowess.

Ironically, this historical fact also seems to have a correspondence in the levels of Muslim settlement in the European countries that were colonisers. It’s very low in Scandinavia and Germany, which has only about 2 million Muslims (the vast majority of immigrants to Germany are east Europeans, Russians and ethnic Germans from North America, *not* Turks as often believed), somewhat higher in France and the Netherlands (not nearly as high as often claimed), but growing significantly only in Britain, which was indeed the major coloniser in the Muslim world. About 2.5-3 million Muslims reside in the UK, but that number is indeed growing quite quickly due to heavy immigration under both Labour and Tories to provide cheap Labour for businesses, and unlike Continent European countries, Britain has sharia law and courts in many districts as well as Islamic customs predominating there. See Tower Hamlets or Manchester for examples.

So the United Kingdom and England in particular are indeed taking on an increasingly Islamic character, along with a corrupt government whichever major party is leading it with a slavish devotion to the wishes of rich campaign donors (one reason why I and so many other Britons have left). But that’s not true of the rest of Europe. Don’t lump them together so.

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By: Euro47 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/01/27/will-pew-muslim-birth-rate-study-finally-silence-the-eurabia-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-32483 Thu, 08 Mar 2012 19:04:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=19310#comment-32483 Anyone in the know – knew that it is not about birth rates. The key factor in the rise and rise of Muslim numbers was about immigration.

A study done in Denmark [or other northern European country] followed 1000 Turkish immigrants for a 20 year period. And found that in 20 years their numbers had increased to 20,000. Not because they were having more children – but that each of those children – married a person from the old country, as their parents also did, in what was termed – a fetching marriage – and with the men they found that it was common to marry one person from the old country – divorce and marry again – up to three times.

Likely based on this research or others like it – Denmark banned the fetching marriage practise – back in 2001 or 2002.

[The Danes found that their costs to do with immigration were going up year on year. The measure is a layered restriction on the fetching marriage practise – as a means to bring a new citizen into the country. And the Danes are reporting good results. And somewhat more integrated Muslim communities.]

Very clearly with these numbers on a national scale – they were looking at displacement.

And I sure that those in favour of maintaining the family reunification ‘right’ – never envisioned that it would be used in this way.

In that same study – over the 20 year period it found that there were only 4 marriages with those from the native /or other segments of the population.

These things don’t just happen – there is enormous pressure placed on these young people – in the US, for example, we see a rise in honour crimes, [sometimes attempted murder or murder] most often connected to do with the girl’s refusal to go along with an arranged marriage with someone overseas.

The family’s honour is tied up in the girl’s agreeing [read: being obedient], but the clan member, is given a US passport. It doesn’t look voluntary!

[See the Iraqi man who ran down his daughter with his car – dispute was over an arranged marriage – that the girl was simply not interested in.]

‘She was too western’ should be read as – ‘girl doesn’t want to be forcibly married’!

These and other statistics would likely be overlooked, because they don’t support the Islamophobia argument.

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Both Egypt and Turkey’s populations have doubled in the last 40-50 years. This is Islam’s growth. But also may mean we see more riots for bread. A single man can proudly boast 20 children, with a number of wives, but someone has to feed them.

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By: Sampa1974 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/01/27/will-pew-muslim-birth-rate-study-finally-silence-the-eurabia-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-32359 Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:37:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=19310#comment-32359 Come on. As if PEW would be THE authority. Just some other Facts: The list Mexico as having 111,000 Muslims, while their census states 3,750. Their “research” lists Argentina with more than 1 million Muslims, while Argentinian statistics say 443,000. Brazil has over 200k Muslims in this “research” while the statistics of the census 2000 shows 27k and census 2010 indicates something around 30k. For many countries their figures are too low, e.g. Germany, Austria and the Netherlands as well as Norway and Sweden. How is this a reliable source. I know that it is a completely exaggerated to say France’s Muslims had a fertility rate of over 8. But fact is also, that many regions in France have a Muslim population of over 30%. Fact is, many cities in Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands will have a Muslim majority in only a few years, not decades.
Europe will have some kind of Chechnya-like enclaves in the future. And surely the growing number of Muslims will cause civil war. We saw it in Bosnia, Kosovo and other regions. And we will see it again – in our own European neighbourhoods.

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By: Arminius9 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/01/27/will-pew-muslim-birth-rate-study-finally-silence-the-eurabia-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-32063 Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:14:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=19310#comment-32063 The same Pew study finds that the muslim population is growing twice as fast as the non-muslim birth rate. And considering the non-muslims include rapidly expanding sub-saharan africa and latin America, the Muslims are far out-pacing Europeans. If somebody is truely multi-cultural – that is, they believe that the world benefits from a plethora of distinct cultures – they should defend European culture from the onslaught of islamic immigration into their countries. If it is OK that European cultures are destroyed by immigrants who don’t assimilate, is it also OK what the Chinese are doing to Tibeten culture, or what the Europeans did to Native-American culture?
The true racists are those who delight in the idea that European culture, though already a small minority in the world, is rapidly shrinking and assimilating with the rest of the world.

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By: Krystal1007 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/01/27/will-pew-muslim-birth-rate-study-finally-silence-the-eurabia-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-31875 Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:25:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=19310#comment-31875 At the present time, people of European racial background make up approximately 8% of the world’s population, and that figure is shrinking. Even though Europeans are one of the world’s three primary racial groups, we are now an endangered sub-species. Yet media publicity of racial and cultural extinction is almost always focused upon non-European ethnicities. We Europeans are a racial minority in the world! As a minority group, like any other, we have a natural right to ensure our own cultural and racial survival. Any Multiculturalist who disputes this natural right, for our people to simply survive, is a racist (a real one).

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By: revel224 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2011/01/27/will-pew-muslim-birth-rate-study-finally-silence-the-eurabia-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-30301 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 00:33:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=19310#comment-30301 Of course the Eurabia claim will not die. We have to accept there exists a plethora of virulent anti-Muslim hatemongers akin to the anti-Semites of yesteryears as amply demonstrated by the comments above. Heck these are the same low-information, blowhard, Islamophobes who believe Obama is not a US citizen, he was born in Kenya, and was/is a Muslim.

I find it ironic that we have Sikhs commenters getting riled up for fear of being portrayed as “Muslims” when their very religion is owed to Muslim Sufi saint…and just recently was known as the official face and religion of terror in India throughout the 80s and 90s. Some chutzpah.

Lastly I for one would like to see the Eurabia myth come to fruition though unfortunately it won’t. It’ll be nice to show the dastardly Europeans who colonized, plundered, looted, and murdered countless souls and treasures of 3rd world many of them Muslims, what happens when a shoe is on the other foot. In this case the consequences of their action, when the colonized subjects are brought back for labor and peacefully co-exist with their colonizer. Though Pew says it won’t happen :(

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