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September 11th, 2008

Rose McGowan and the IRA: what does she know?

Posted by: Claire Sibonney
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It’s one thing to be a movie actress portraying a character in a secretive anti-government group, but it’s a far different to be a person in real life battling a government every day. In movies, guns fire blanks; in real life, they shoot bullets.

So, when actress Rose McGowan told reporters at a Toronto film festival press conference for her new movie ”Fifty Dead Men Walking” that if she had lived through Northern Ireland’s ”Troubles,” she would have joined the Irish Republican Army, she almost immediately drew a protest from the very man upon whose life the film is based.

Rose McGowan

“I imagine had I grown up in Belfast I would have 100 percent joined the IRA,” said McGowan,  35,  who plays a high-ranking IRA femme fatale in the movie, alongside British actors Jim Sturgess and Ben Kingsley.

“My heart just broke for the cause and I have a lot of respect for the intelligence and the honor that these people carried.”

“Fifty Dead Men Walking,” which debuted at the Toronto International Film Festival on Wednesday, is based on Martin McGartland’s best-selling 1997 memoir of a young Catholic hustler living in Belfast in the late ’80s who was recruited by British intelligence to infiltrate the IRA.

McGartland, who is still in hiding and lives under a false identity on the British mainland, responded with a statement on Thursday slamming McGowan’s off-the-cuff remarks.

“Such comments are deeply offensive and hurtful to victims of IRA terrorism,” he said.

McGowan, whose father is Irish, was born and raised in Italy. Could she really know what it meant to be an IRA member just because she was in a movie? Are statements such as hers made by actors ”deeply offensive and hurtful” to people on both sides of an issue who have suffered in real life? They are interesting questions, and we’d like to know readers’ views.

100 comments so far

I think one should be wary of what the actress Rose McGowan said, the context within which it was said, how the question was posed to her, and what the media has chosen to publish and chosen to edit out.

If the quote is an accurate, verbatim copy of what she said, it doesn’t on the face it appear to be a tacit support for the IRA. The sentence “I imagine had I grown up in Belfast I would have 100 percent joined the IRA,” sounds like she was trying to posit the view that, had she experienced a childhood in that troubled, blighted city, and been a Catholic - which being part Italian/Irish I would imagine she is - then she can envisage experiences and ingrained views that would have led to her support to the pro-Republican cause, even to potential support for the paramilitary terrorist groups of differing complections. That doesn’t sound to me as though she was advocating explicit support as such. I’m sure, upon reflection, she would have considered wording it a little differently. It isn’t, it should be noted, a very articulate or considered Englsih sentence. And by that, I don’t mean to attempt to make the statement a little more innocuous, diplomatic or objective. It appears the answer was on the spur of the moment. ” … would have 100 percent joined the IRA” ? Well, either you join or you don’t; one doesn’t join 50 percent, do you ? Of course, you may argue, whether the sentence is literate or not, it will still betray the thought and opinion that underwrote it. It still suggests that she tried to give an instant sound-byte reply, but put her Gucci booted, perfectly pedicured foot photogenic foot well, truly and squarely into her loose mouth.

Rose McGowan is not a heavyweight intellectual, political commentator or leading voice of someone caught up in The Troubles. She’s a Hollywood actress. Her comments, insensitive or offensive, ill-informed or downright ignorant, were made from the cushioned, luxurious, fully air-conditioned insulation of La-La Land, USA. It can be assumed that the media put a loaded question to her in such a way that the response was practically pre-governed, then taken out of context, and then advertised around the world’s media platforms like some dubious sermon from the Mount. Why, I ask myself, was this comment published ? What, you have to ask yourself, was the desired reaction the media wanted ? Controversy ? Insult ? The anger whipped up based on lies by omission of the whole truth ? Well, it seems to have worked, doesn’t it.

The fact that as story is reported in the news doesn’t infact mean that it has any news-worthy value or importance whatsoever. Better to regard the comments as those of a silly woman who was put on the spot, wished to say something with intelligence or merit, and was found wanting.

- Posted by Gary

She would have joined the IRA? What utter tripe. I am personally sick to my stomach of Americans espousing romantic notions about the IRA. Just because they may an uncle who has the odd pint of guiness they are suddenly “Irish” American (whatever that means!).

The IRA, UDA, INLA, UVF were all the same, murdering terrorists. Ask the shopkeepers who had to pay them protection money, or the people whose sons were battered to death with iron bars in “punishment” attacks (when the paramilitaries set themselves up as judge jury and executioner) or the normal people they intimidated every day what they think. These people were thugs, period.

They were criminals under a flag of convienience, nothing more. As a former soldier I had the good forutne of coming face to face with some of these vermin and treating them like the scum which they are, which they always found difficult as they were so used to everyone bowing down to them out of fear. Words cant describe how much hate I will always have for paramilitaries in Northern Ireland, no matter what flag they waived. McGowan needs to hold that in perspective.

If the IRA were so wonderful, do the Irish Americans never wonder why everyone who lives there is so glad to see the back of these scum now peace has taken hold?

- Posted by Daffy Duck

I can’t believe she said this, it is so hurtful. I have lived in Belfast all my life and the damage that the Troubles have caused is inexplicable. It a shocking that anyone would wish to assosciate themselves with a any group involved in the Troubles. To date, 1500 have died. Why would she involve herself in that? She obviously does not understand her subject matter.

- Posted by Ashley

Everyone believes the propoganda about the IRA, and if someone speaks the truth, people say they don’t understand. The IRA does not deliberately target innocent civilians, which is requisite for catagorization as ‘terrorists’. The British government calls them terrorists, as they would call the founding fathers terrorists in the history books, if they had won the Revolutionary war.

- Posted by Buck

I think evie like many others was not a student of a complete history. While Rose may have made her comment off the cuff, I believe there may be quite a few people who didn’t live in Ireland through the troubles that would have joined the PIRA. This is evidenced by people in the states, as well as Irish throughout the world engaging in many acts to support those brave volunteers on the home front. I will not deny, war is never pretty. While we romance it afterward, war at its most vicious is an ugly affair. But a bid for freedom from a historically oppressive government is never a wrong move.

- Posted by Eric

i think that everyone is entitled to there opinion and just cause rose is a woman and famous doesnt mean she cant do it. GO ROSE!!

- Posted by jessica

Not long ago Nelson Mandela was seen as a terrorist by the British Govt. as well as many other democracies.The fact is one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter,it just depends on what side you’re on.A life’s a life no matter who,what or where they are.However,if i awoke tomorrow and a foreign power had taken rule of my country & my civil rights were denied i would most certainly be motivated to join a group that stood against them - any right minded person would.Standing up to violence by using violence isn’t terrorism it’s common sense.Violence is abhorrant but in the world we live it is also inevitable.The British have a long history of violence & i’m sure the many peoples who have suffered at their hands don’t see them as heroic soldiers,again it just depends on what side you take.Rose McGowan was asked a question & answered it.Maybe if politicians were to adopt the same policy the need for violence would be diminished.I wouldn’t hold my breath though.

- Posted by Mark

just to make this clear, the only reason that britain interveend was to stop northern and southern ireland blowing eachother up, and we get alot of the blame for it i don’t think alot of people realise that. and it was all just because of religion and wanting to be part of the UK… im pretty sure rose only knows the facts of the film and films are not exactly somthing to belive by, ie. media and magazines she should know this…she’s famous in american right?

- Posted by evie

robbie, you are presuming that i want the UK to break up which is not what i said, if you read what i wrote…no we are not ruling ourselves, most of Englands mps are scottish with posh accents… scottish mps can vote in English situations but english not in scottish… i said i would prefer it seeing as we are all apparently ruling ourselves to have the natives of those coutries to rule there’s its only fair seeing as natives will do best by their own countries because they actually care, i said ireland because nothern ireland wanted to be part of the UK but southern did not…. fact is rose’s comments make me feel sick and what she said is basically she is a proud terrorist… she has people my age (19) who are her fans….she really gross.

- Posted by evie

Rose Mcgowen happens to be my favourite actress, and have followed her work and press reports for some time. a huge fan.

but i’ve just stumbled across this article and feel very dissapointed, surely she does not support the ira? i don’t think she thought very carefully about what she was saying. but im sure if you placed her in the real situation instead of a make believe one then her views would be very different.

- Posted by Carl Holton

she needs to learn to shut up and grow up. her dad wouldnt have let her do anything with the ira. why cause its a dirty job. what a cow she dosent think of the kids with no moms. the moms with no babys and the fathers with no sons. dosent matter what freaken side you are on….. people have lost there lives…. familys left behind….. I say she should be canned and never put on tv again. what a lippy cow.

- Posted by ruby

“No surrender, we will never forget our fallen comrades nor those that seek glory or wealth in their deaths”

Does that include the comrades you killed during in-fighting over drugs? I also presume the glory was achieving ownership of a particular drug dealing territory in Belfast not to mention the wealth!

UDA/UVF/LVF/UFF (so many more due to in-fighting) etc were an absolute joke, no one took them serious. Now look at them, washed up junkies destroying the communities they apparantly defended with HEROIN and COCAINE.

Pure and utter benefit leeching junkie gangster scummers.

- Posted by Emmett

People are incredibly stupid. I’m not talking about Rose McGowan. I’m talking about the media, the movie’s producers and the public, who are taking the position that the actress is advocating the violent actions of the IRA.

No one really bothered to stop and contemplate what she was really saying. Reading some of these comments has made me realize how moronic the majority of the human race can truly be. Especially when they listen to the likes of the media, with their history of misinterpreting celebrities.

- Posted by Lee

No surrender, we will never forget our fallen comrades nor those that seek glory or wealth in their deaths

- Posted by UDA

I suppose that blowing up women and children out shopping or shooting dead a dad at a dinner table infront of his children is OK because “My heart just broke for the cause”?

This woman should have thought about what the IRA did (just like all terrorists in Northrn Ireland).

Iwonder just what it is about the murderous activities of the IRA which she finds appealing,” he said.

As an IRA member would Miss McGowan have been happy to participate in the abduction, torture and murder of Jean McConville, a widow and mother of 10?

Perhaps she wishes she had murdered shoppers in a bomb outside Harrods? Fire bombed diners in the La Mon restaurant? Shot dead people doing a days job? Set off no wraning bombs killing scores of people? Or does she wish she has been responsible for the murder of two young boys in Warrington?

If Miss McGowan can develop such a misplaced sense of sympathy for murdering terrorists after making a film about the IRA, I sincerely hope she is never asked to make a film about the terror attacks on the Twin Towers, lest she come out with some rubbish about sympathising with Bin Laden and wanting to join Al Qaida.

Murdering men, women and children is never justified. Never.

- Posted by Peter

Evie:

Perhaps you misunderstood me. It’s not ridiculous: the book McGartland wrote was an account of how the likes of MI5 used operatives within the IRA, as they did with other terrorist organisations. That had been my point - I wasn’t comparing the IRA and MI5. Maybe you missed the quotes around the second-to-last paragraph of my last comment (I was quoting John from Dublin).

MI5’s job is not just to protect the people in Britain, by the way - it is to protect the people of the whole of the UK, and to protect national security. While they are not above the law, that doesn’t mean that covert operations haven’t been acted outside the law.

Again, you assert that the people of the UK don’t care “if we are joined with Ireland or not”.. again - we do care. Also, it’s not “Ireland”, it’s Northern Ireland only.

As for your opinion on “ruling ourselves” - I thought that’s what we were doing. You presumably mean that you support the breaking up of the UK, and you’re very entitled to your opinion. My own opinion, for what it’s worth, is that we are stronger united. I do support devolution though: I think that’s important.

- Posted by Robbie

ps. i agree with nick. she’s obviously made a lot of people angry at her stupidity, she needs to do her research. i feel mostly for the victims in northern ireland and britain than just her attack on the UK, it must be making their blood boil. i dont think it was wise to make the book in to a film just yet, people are still bruised from this and its not helping us to move on…

- Posted by evie

robbie, thats ridiculous, theres no way you can compare mi5 and the IRA, for one, mi5’s job is to protect the people in britain, and prevent bad things happening, whereas the IRA are the complete polar opposite, their intentions are to harm innocent people whos goveronment are the ones at fault, i said the UK as in the acutual people couldnt care less if we are joined with ireland or not, our government does, not us…. i think we should all just rule ourseleves, in our own separate governments but still help eachother out as we are sister countries, ie with food, merchandise etc. still have a uk but just rule ourseleves in our seperate countries own main issues…

- Posted by evie

Evie:
“tbh british people couldn’t give a toss about ireland being part of the UK, WE DONT CARE”

Actually, we do.

John from Dublin:
“The conflict in the North of Ireland was created by the British Government’s anti-democratic partition of Ireland based on a sectarian headcount (that’s why three of Ulster’s nine counties were excluded from the ‘Northern Ireland’ state) and the threat of the Empire’s might in 1922.”

There was conflict in the south of Ireland, the west of Ireland and the east of Ireland too. It was created by people who wanted a compromise between the wishes of some Irish people and the wishes of other Irish people. Some refused to accept the compromise, though it was ratified democratically by an international treaty. Sinn Féin was invited to take part in the border talks, but they declined.

“If she’d said the same about joining the MI5/MI6/Military Intelligence ‘James Bonds’ who ran loyalist paramilitary death squads no one would have batted an eyelid.”

Those same ‘James Bonds’ who ran Loyalist “paramilitary death squads” also ran Republican “paramilitary death squads”. For the same reason too: counter-terrorism.

- Posted by Robbie

The conflict in the North of Ireland was created by the British Government’s anti-democratic partition of Ireland based on a sectarian headcount (that’s why three of Ulster’s nine counties were excluded from the ‘Northern Ireland’ state) and the threat of the Empire’s might in 1922.
Rose McGowan expressed an opinion of how she might have reacted in a specific geo-political situation based on history and she’s entitled to her opinion.
If she’d said the same about joining the MI5/MI6/Military Intelligence ‘James Bonds’ who ran loyalist paramilitary death squads no one would have batted an eyelid.

- Posted by John, Dublin

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