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Gavin Newsom and the radical, in-your-face, gays of San Francisco have done tremendous damage to the gay agenda in the eyes of people who are working toward a more accepting view. The activities of the San Francisco Pride festival where participants actively engage in sexual acts on the streets, in broad daylight, along with other repugnant actions causes extreme damage to the gay community’s efforts toward legitimacy.

I agree with Scott Nebleman. It is interesting how many on this site are pro gay marriage, yet the majority of the people of California have said that this does not reflect their own beliefs. Obviously they do not believe that this is a matter of civil rights, but of moral beliefs. You can call someone bigoted or other choice names, yet that does not change the view. One of the problems is that there are some in the gay community who wish to promote their views in the education system regardless of the NO on 8 commercials. I am a christian who does not get to promote his views in public schools, nor should I. This was an opportunity to indoctrinate children in compliance with the law, should it have passed. I was not happy that Prop 4 did not pass. However, I am not going to send it to the CA Supreme Court so that they can overturn the decision of the people. However, now California voters have decided not once, but twice. Yet how many lawsuits are being proposed to overturn the decision on Prop 8. I guess that this is no longer a Republic any more. The voters no longer have a right to vote against what the “elite” think should be the law of the land. This is as much my state as it is yours. However, keep suing!! Maybe you can actually have a state that will by fiat determine all christians do not have a voice.

Marriage is and allways has been between one man and one woman, period! The voters have spoken twice now! The gays can have their union but they are not ‘entitled’ to marriage. Marriage is a sacred thing intended for procreation. The gays are trying to be equal yet they’re different. They can do their thing, just get out of the faces of those of us who believe in a traditional family. The voters have spoken – again!!

This doesn’t discriminate against anyone; everybody has the right to marry a person of the opposite sex. What could be more fair than that. Oh…you mean you want SPECIAL privileges due to the fact that you’ve decided to exercise your free will to live a gay or lesbian lifestyle! Why not! If you want this special privilege…move to Europe.

Jean-Jeannie CA — Please re-read the Constitution. It DOES NOT give you freedom from religion. Rather freedom to worship as you see fit. Religion is and always will be part of civilized society so you will ALWAYS be exposed to it. Please don’t cry about, just understand that you have a right to worship.

Prop 8 was passed because a MAJORITY voted for it. In a democracy (or democratic republic to be correct) that is the way things work. It is supposed to work that way. It is a government “by the people.” If a court or official said “gays cannot marry” that is one thing, but when a majority vote is against something (something not specifically addressed by name in the Constitution) then get over it. It is law…and should be. This is still a democratic country. Good!

If you are gay move to Spain, a country that allows gay unions.

I’m a Pastor at a Christian Church, and even though I don’t agree with your lifestyle, I am respected to allow you free choice to do as you please, so long as it doesn’t affect the rest of society, even though everything does affect everything (butterfly effect). However, some writers on this blog really need to analyze why Prop8 voters cast their vote. Some of your comments show a lack of understanding, research, or care about what would actually happen would you get your way. Many of you are so focused on what you want, you don’t even care about what the rest of California wants, (or even the U.S, shown in voter turnout). Now, I feel for you, and desire that you have your way, as that is your own choice, and you will have to answer before God for your choices. However, because many of us have families, kids, schools, and churches, and we see already in the newspapers the schools indoctrinating our children (kindergarten, first and second grade, a father being arrested for trying to protect his son), as well as seeing how the words would change in “marriage” would also change for the church according to the laws of the land the church must follow, regardless of separation of Church and state), that there are bad people (and there are) who will use that to bring the churches down. Now, it’s not too hard to see that. It’s not too hard already to see little Johnny being taught something his parents do not want forced. Our belief is that we want freedom to raise our kids as we want and protect our families and churches from the destruction. That is my, that is our, California’s and U.S.’s main reason why we are voting yes on Prop8. Not because we don’t care or want to see you happy, it’s purely to protect our kids, churches, and families without it being forced upon us, as it is now, even with these undue riots. Do we not believe in Democracy? I mean we’re not asking a biased court to arbitrarily change the laws of abortion just because we’re still the minority in the vote, even though we promote, just as you, EQUALITY for ALL. So, how do we promote peace for both sides. It’s not easy, but one sure way is to have you get your way without it affecting traditional marriage, kids in schools, and churches. That is the only way. How do we help you come to terms and peace? How can we assist you to get what you want without taking a biblical term (marriage), and trying to change the definition just because you don’t like it? What do you really want is the question? What are you really looking for? What in essence do you NEED EXACTLY? Help me. Don’t say generic terms like equality and love. Go beyond that? What is meant by equality and love is not granted by a title? What are you really after?

As a gay man, I am sad about the outcome of Prop 8. As a pragmatist, I beleive the Gay Community Leaders need to work on something that will actually pass and give Gay people the actual rights they need to live prosperous and healthy lives. This of course is Civil Union Laws. The politicians that support us would be thrilled to help us pass legislation because they know that a majority of American want us to have equal rights under the law. Even Pres-Elect Obama mentione dit thoughout the campaign.

A majority of Americans do not want us to be “married”. While I understand the symbolism of this word marriage, the Gay leaders are denying their own people actual rights over a symantic issue. What is to stop a couple from having a civil union license and then going to their liberal church and getting married. While we argue over the word Marriage, Gay people lose their homes through unjust intestate succession laws. Gay people do not have the oppotunity to obtain domestic benefits from their partner’s companies. Gay people do not recieve SS survivor benifits or pension benefits. We all know the list of injustices. However, to get the word “marriage” on some license, we are walking away from obtaining everything else. I think this is a 2 step process. We can really help people if we use my strategy. Accept that the country is ready for Civil Unions and it is not ready for marriage. WE NEED ACTUAL RIGHTS. We can’t afford to waste more time on something that is not ready to be passed. Please read this and give serious thought to taking this fight in a direction that can actually give us a real victory.

Hey gay folks, how about giving straight folks a break? While you whine about not being “married”, straight folks are the ones making themselves much more vulnerable in life by having and raising kids. While you and your partner fly to Fort Lauderdale on the tons of disposable income you enjoy, we’re stuck at home paying for diapers, food, and clothes for our children (for which there are no regrets). Who are the ones having and raising the children without which there would not even be a human population? That’s right, us. So cry me a river.

Oh whine, whine, whine. Too bad, the people have spoken, so live with it. Don’t you people get it, this is how a democracy works. A majority of voters go to the polls and elect an inexperienced, anti-American, Communist as president and at the same time these same people vote that marriage between two people of the same sex should be illegal. Live with it. If the courts turn over the ban on gay marriage then they should over turn the Obama victory. What is most important to gays? Obama or marriage.

I would be very pleased to trade Obama for gay marriage. America made the biggest mistake in history by electing Barack Obama as president. I hope I’m wrong, I hope he makes a liar out of me. I would love to be sitting here one year from now and be writing how Barack Obama has done a magnificent job, our economy is moving along, we have more money to spend than before. Our jobs and incomes are secure and growing and we don’t have to worry about health care and buying medicine. Terrorism has diminished and the whole world loves us. But chances are it won’t happen. So gays get used to it. You’re no more disappointed with prop 8 as I am in the election. I have to live with the election so you have to live with prop 8.

Too bad, grow up. Come on Ellen this is the way the world works we win some and lose some. Obama won the presidency and gay marriage lost. And Melissa since I voted against Barack Obama and he won does that mean I should stomp my feet like a little kid and proclaim I’m not going to pay my Federal Taxes because McCain lost. Sorry girls that’s the way the ball bounces.

So I guess power to the people, let the vote count doesn’t mean the same to gays and lesbians. You do want special treatment.

Remember… Gay and Lesbian Californians DO have the exact same rights as every other Californian. They can marry a person of the opposite sex.

This ultimately is not about gay rights at all, but about the right of the free practice of religion. These Churches are attempting to preserve their right to sanction marriages as directed by their own conscience. When same-sex marriage is established as a constitutionally-protected right, it will shortly follow that it will be unconstitutional for any organization to deny this kind of marriage. Churches face the very real prospect of being forced out of marriage altogether. Whether you are religious or not, you must realize that this is a matter of the deepest and most profound significance to religions of nearly every variety around the world.

This is not a case of religions meddling in a civil rights issue at all. This is about civil authorities and politics meddling in a moral and religious issue, which is what marriage is. If there was a way to forever protect the rights of churches to sanction marriages according to their own beliefs without the prospect of civil interference, I have no doubt that they would immediately drop their support of these kinds of constitutional amendments.

For me, banning gay marriage is the correct thing to do, and not for any biblical reasons. The fact is, just as most legitimate studies point to the dangers of man-made global warming, most of the legitimate studies point to children being better off with a mother and a father. Sure you can find some outlier studies for anything. This is what people on the right do to bolster their opinion on global warming, and what people on the left do to bolster their opinion on gay marriage. But the facts are pretty clear. A child is better off with one mother and one father.

And the state has every right to promote those things that are good for the whole. It happens all the time. And this is no different. Gay marriage does not benefit anybody but the 2 people getting married. Traditional marriage benefits the entire country. It has nothing to do with equality.

A blind person may want to be an airline pilot. But because of what nature dealt him, he cannot. That doesn’t make him any less of a person, nor is he any less equal. Gay people are just as equal as anybody else. But through no fault of their own, nature has dealt them a hand which not only is a Darwinian biological dead-end, but also an inferior mechanism of raising children.

And sure, there is no guarantee that a child raised by gay parents will turn out bad, nor is there a guarantee that a child raised by a traditional couple will turn out great. Just as there is no guarantee that wearing a seat belt will save your life in a crash, nor is it a guarantee that not wearing one will kill or harm you. But the chances are better if you wear a seat belt. And the chances are that the child will be better off with a mother and a father. And that is why government does, and should, support things which are beneficial to the country as a whole, whether it be seat belts or traditional marriage.

Gays aren’t any more fired-up to get married than they are to join the Army. They simply don’t like being told they can’t do something. If you let them marry, they’ll find something else to complaint about. They’re unhappy because people don’t accept their lifestyle and they think legislation will change that. They’re wrong.

This should be handled as a separation of church and state. Anyone who wants civil benefits registers with the state as a couple, no ceremony. Those who wish a marriage should go to whoever will marry them, government officials such as a Justice of the Peace must marry any one, while religious denominations may marry whom they please in accordance with the tenets of their faith. They will issue a certificate of marriage. For form purposes, rather than married or single, the words registered or single could be used.

Those who reject the state could be married within their church and be recognized as a married couple by the community, but would enjoy no guarantees. “Render unto Caesar ….”

I get the fact that people feel it’s discrimination but there is no protected class based on sexual orientation in the U.S. Constitution and rightly so (it’s hardly the same as race). It only exists in some states where people have oddly voted to extend such protection. And, of course, constitutions and laws are made by the people to reflect the society’s values and are subject to change. I proudly voted yes on Prop 8. I don’t hate gays – I couldn’t care less who they have sex with but I don’t feel compelled to change my society to afford them special rights based on who they have sex with. People voted for Prop 8 because they wanted marriage to be between a man and a woman -the traditional, normal family unit. The people have spoken and spoken well.

Gays obviously don’t believe in democracy. And they shove gerbils up their butts too.

One last point. Some here argue that the “majority” has spoken. The Supreme Court has long held that the Bill of Rights must protect the minority against majority oppression, regarding basic freedoms and fundamental rights.
Sorry guys, but your argument that the “majority” of bigots rule is insufficient as a matter of law.
As well it should be.

The definition of the word marriage is a union between a man and a woman. You want to change the definition. Straight people are saying no, get your own term for a union between two people of the same sex. I don’t know why that is such a difficult concept for you to understand Michele. Like I said in my original comments, gays have brought this upon themselves by pushing the issue too far. They had made great strides in a very short time, but just finally went too far.

If the founding fathers even heard that there was chance of legal gay marriage in America, they would have died of shame.

It seems to me that if you are to re-define marriage to the historically new concept of same sex couples then it is irrational to not also include in the definition other uses of the term that are historically quite common and internationally accepted including polygamy and other variations as well. As long as it is a freely made choice between adults there is no reason why polygamists should be denied the right to marry while gay people should be extended the right – especially while polygamy is common overseas.

I’ll keep this short because this is a dumb subject kept alive by biggots.

**** IF your were for prop 8, then read this please *****

Gay marrige is not = to polygamy
Gay marrige is not = incest
Gay marrige is not = beastiality
Gay marrige is not = Any other wild relationship you can think of.

Gay marrige is common and is a healthy union that is socialy acceptable and also conductive to a nuturing home. Expand the term marriages and then allow for distinction with phrases such as homsexual or hetero sexual merriages and afford them all the same rights and responsabilities as is demanded by any society that claims to be just and free.

Society is not asking to recognizing polygamy, incest, or beastiality. Some change in tolerance does not mean a complete change in tolerance.

I’m just blown away by peoples logic that since we shoulden’t allow incest that it means we shoulden’t allow gay marrigages?

Go meet a few gay couples, and then a few incestuel couples and learn the difference please before you vote to commit any more crimes against your neighbors.

In responds to Monroe’s comments , if you were a true Christian you would remember that the word is God and God made marriage between a man and a woman, Don’t you think that God would get upset if you keep breaking his laws and ways, he would take away his grace and protection , if some you love keeps hurting by doing the things that you told not to do eventually you would get tired of giving them chances and you would leave the relationship, do you think God would allow everybody to keep on sinning and then go to heaven?? Yes JESUS CHRIST died on the cross , he paid the price for all us, we have a chose to make, either go our own way or drop everything and go with the Lord Jesus Christ God. God would have to apologize for Sodom & Gomorrah, and the other disaster that happen when we walk away from the word, Christ hates the sin not the sinner , I am not prefect and I trust JESUS CHRIST, let the sin go move to Jesus Christ. You still have rights as a human being

Ek, what you posted is almost identical to many things I’ve posted on other boards…and very true. No religious ceremony should convey an legal rights. That includes marriage.