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	<title>Comments on: Chart of the day: Credit convexity (ultrawonky)</title>
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	<description>A slice of lime in the soda</description>
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		<title>By: quantacide</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/06/chart-of-the-day-credit-convexity-ultrawonky/comment-page-1/#comment-1357</link>
		<dc:creator>quantacide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 12:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignorance is bliss. 

We totally knew. We actively gamed the ratings models. 

What is befuddling now is that people actually /believed us/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignorance is bliss. </p>
<p>We totally knew. We actively gamed the ratings models. </p>
<p>What is befuddling now is that people actually /believed us/.</p>
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		<title>By: BeyondTheMargin.net</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/06/chart-of-the-day-credit-convexity-ultrawonky/comment-page-1/#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>BeyondTheMargin.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 04:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t buy it that the banks didn&#039;t know.  Their CDO and structuring desks clearly knew that they were cramming garbage into the structures.  Ultimately it became nothing more than a game to manipulate the rating agency models (and their employees) in order to obtain desired ratings for the least possible subordination.  If the banks weren&#039;t aware of what was going on then they are fools and deserve to lose.  Unfortunately, it is now the general public that are losing since the banks are de facto nationalized.

http://www.beyondthemargin.net/2009/03/private-capital.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t buy it that the banks didn&#8217;t know.  Their CDO and structuring desks clearly knew that they were cramming garbage into the structures.  Ultimately it became nothing more than a game to manipulate the rating agency models (and their employees) in order to obtain desired ratings for the least possible subordination.  If the banks weren&#8217;t aware of what was going on then they are fools and deserve to lose.  Unfortunately, it is now the general public that are losing since the banks are de facto nationalized.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.beyondthemargin.net/2009/03/private-capital.html'>http://www.beyondthemargin.net/2009/03/p rivate-capital.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Felix Salmon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/06/chart-of-the-day-credit-convexity-ultrawonky/comment-page-1/#comment-1354</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix Salmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 03:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>National Journal, yes. Very, very, very sorry. My bad. Fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>National Journal, yes. Very, very, very sorry. My bad. Fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: KK</title>
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		<dc:creator>KK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 02:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Errr, National JOURNAL, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Errr, National JOURNAL, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Don the libertarian Democrat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/06/chart-of-the-day-credit-convexity-ultrawonky/comment-page-1/#comment-1350</link>
		<dc:creator>Don the libertarian Democrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 23:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Rutledge:

&quot;This picture shows how it is possible for sellers to originate securities that they know to be under-collateralized, up to two or three years before the evidence of fraud becomes clear. They are able to exploit the chasm in analytics and financial knowledge through plausible deniability. “How could we know?! Everything seemed fine.”

And:

&quot;In fraudulently structured transactions - those in which the collateral is known to be worse than stated - the senior securities with high ratings ultimately turn out to be under-collateralized (illustrated in the ranges moving down and to the left on Figures 1-2) while the subordinated tranches, which typically bear low investment grade ratings, will be virtually wiped out with the passage of time. Most likely, they were not structured for immediate sale but rather held in portfolio by the arranging banks for repackaging in future CDOs (collateralized debt obligations), ABCP (asset-backed commercial paper) or SIVs (structured investment vehicles), where the inflated rating could be re-used to prop up the nominal value of the collateral.

An overhang of this low-value debt had existed on the books of the banks for several years when, in August of 2007, the most conservative segment of the U.S. capital markets suddenly awakened to the presence of subprime mortgages in ABCP collateral. Banks arranging RMBS transactions on behalf of themselves and their clients had believed they could hide behind the illusion of solvency for many years to come by selling the illusion of safety and soundness to a naïve and complacent public, a strategy that has become much more familiar after the Madoff revelations.&quot;

I couldn&#039;t agree more. Thanks for the reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Rutledge:</p>
<p>&#8220;This picture shows how it is possible for sellers to originate securities that they know to be under-collateralized, up to two or three years before the evidence of fraud becomes clear. They are able to exploit the chasm in analytics and financial knowledge through plausible deniability. “How could we know?! Everything seemed fine.”</p>
<p>And:</p>
<p>&#8220;In fraudulently structured transactions &#8211; those in which the collateral is known to be worse than stated &#8211; the senior securities with high ratings ultimately turn out to be under-collateralized (illustrated in the ranges moving down and to the left on Figures 1-2) while the subordinated tranches, which typically bear low investment grade ratings, will be virtually wiped out with the passage of time. Most likely, they were not structured for immediate sale but rather held in portfolio by the arranging banks for repackaging in future CDOs (collateralized debt obligations), ABCP (asset-backed commercial paper) or SIVs (structured investment vehicles), where the inflated rating could be re-used to prop up the nominal value of the collateral.</p>
<p>An overhang of this low-value debt had existed on the books of the banks for several years when, in August of 2007, the most conservative segment of the U.S. capital markets suddenly awakened to the presence of subprime mortgages in ABCP collateral. Banks arranging RMBS transactions on behalf of themselves and their clients had believed they could hide behind the illusion of solvency for many years to come by selling the illusion of safety and soundness to a naïve and complacent public, a strategy that has become much more familiar after the Madoff revelations.&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more. Thanks for the reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridgie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridgie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 23:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friendly note: I think you mean The National Journal, not National Review...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friendly note: I think you mean The National Journal, not National Review&#8230;</p>
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