Comments on: How we super-seniored the entire financial system http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/12/how-we-super-seniored-the-entire-financial-system/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Ginger Yellow http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/12/how-we-super-seniored-the-entire-financial-system/comment-page-1/#comment-1594 Wed, 13 May 2009 11:03:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=522#comment-1594 In the typical usage, which I can’t guarantee Tett is using as I haven’t watched the video yet, it doesn’t matter what size the first loss piece is specifically. What matters is that the super senior tranche is senior to another tranche that is rated AAA. Basically You need enough subordination or other credit enhancement for AAA, and then some more. So you could have a tiny first loss piece, then a second loss, third loss and so on, provided that below the super senior piece, there’s a AAA one. Obviously, the “thicker” the AAA tranche, the sounder your super seniority – although as we all discovered, if correlations are high, it doesn’t make much difference.

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By: Don the libertarian Democrat http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/12/how-we-super-seniored-the-entire-financial-system/comment-page-1/#comment-1577 Tue, 12 May 2009 21:16:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=522#comment-1577 When I look at health care in the US, I agree with Milton Friedman, that we should either have much more govt or much less. Because I favor a guaranteed income with health insurance, and doubt that much less govt is a real option, I am in favor of much more govt. But our problem is that we want the best and most expansive health care for the cheapest price, or, at least, at a price that shifts our costs to somebody else. Hence, we have a tug of war between conflicting desires and possibilities, which leads us to an expensive and inefficient mess. It happens to play out through proxies like insurance companies, but they just ride the same wave as everyone else.

In your example, we have investors who want high returns without risk. That’s the only way that I can make sense of this desire for safety. I’ve just seen a Flight to Safety, but nobody was kidding themselves that they weren’t avoiding risk. I’m not even sure how you can want safety but not want to avoid risk, other than saying that you want high returns for low risk, which is hard for me to understand.

I can understand Japanese investors, unhappy with low interest on bonds, and a stagnant market, deciding to buy bonds in other countries and get a higher return. I can’t imagine them not understanding that it’s a lot riskier than just buying a Japanese bond.

I’m still not able to understand how investors can create investments with lower capital requirements, and not see them as riskier. The regulations were intended to lower risk by demanding more collateral. If you’re trying to get around those regulations,then how can you not know what they’re intended for?

Also, for the life of me, I can’t see what just occurred as anything but a desire for better returns during a time of low interest on govt bonds. Investors didn’t like the paltry yields.

Looking for safety in CDSs,CDOs, etc., anything that increased leverage, is like looking for virginity in a brothel. You’re not in the right place to find what you’re looking for.

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By: Griff http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/12/how-we-super-seniored-the-entire-financial-system/comment-page-1/#comment-1570 Tue, 12 May 2009 19:23:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=522#comment-1570 Not enough risk capital set aside for the rainy day…mortgage loans at 105 LTV, credit cards for all who breathe or walk upright, and 2-cars for every garage.

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By: Sandrew http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/12/how-we-super-seniored-the-entire-financial-system/comment-page-1/#comment-1569 Tue, 12 May 2009 18:39:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=522#comment-1569 I like Gillian Tet, but I don’t understand her analogy. What does it mean to “super senior” something and what is she suggesting got “super seniored”?

Maybe I’m bringing too much baggage to the table, but when I hear super senior used as a verb, I tend to think of subordination. To create a super senior tranche out of a bunch of risky bonds, I imagine one needs to create a first-loss tranche of sufficient width to absorb (almost) all of the expected losses. If what’s left over can be split into a second-loss piece that is dubbed “AAA”, then (voila) the last-loss piece is “better-than-AAA” a.k.a. super senior.

But when I think of what happened to the financial system as a whole, I can’t think of anything like this.

What am I missing?

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By: Kelli K http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/12/how-we-super-seniored-the-entire-financial-system/comment-page-1/#comment-1559 Tue, 12 May 2009 16:33:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=522#comment-1559 Hi Felix,
I love Gillian. Thanks for posting this. Another VSW (very smart woman) has a great video you should post so more people will see it. That is Elizabeth Warren being interviewed last night on Charlie Rose.

This is a link to the full program (her segment starts at about 4:40 mark and lasts about 23 minutes–well worth the time).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid= -5736864131779164644&ei=TqQJSrlOp6CtAt3j yfMJ&q=charlie+rose+elizabeth+warren&hl= en&client=safari

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