Comments on: Why academics make better bloggers than journalists http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Eric R. Olson http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-2171 Sat, 30 May 2009 18:36:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/#comment-2171 Interestingly I am a journalist who has a background in academia and a degree in science journalism. I think the distinction is that a journalists job is to find out what’s “going on.” An academic’s job is to figure out what’s “true.” Journalists often do include some kind of analysis in their reporting and writing but it is not to the same level as an academic analysis. And as other commenters have pointed out, this type of analysis is not something that journalists have the time to do.

Another important point is that academics often have a very narrow field of expertise, where as journalists are trained to become “instant experts” in an entire field like business, science, politics, etc. They do that by finding the experts in the field, interviewing them, pulling together the pertinent information and figuring out where the consensus is.

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By: Robert MacMillan http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-2039 Wed, 27 May 2009 16:04:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/#comment-2039 Felix is my friend and colleague at Reuters, and I admire him and he has said nice things about me. Now I will skewer this misbegotten blog post.

DeLong’s comment about trying to keep people ignorant is not only untrue, it’s an insult that reeks of elitism. Academics have time and space to draw many conclusions based on scientific methods. Journalists usually do not. They have to go with the next best thing: observation, interviews and conclusions. That is a skill that is not as well grown in classrooms as academic skills are, journalism schools notwithstanding. It sounds like DeLong scoffs at a job that is still more a trade than a science.

Your comment about how journalists have difficulty setting their work in the ongoing discussion of the story at hand reveals a lack of understanding of what journalism is supposed to do and what good journalists do every day.

You raise interesting points and cite interesting people, yet you end up being so painfully wrong. Nevertheless, you and the blog post are entertaining, so you earned your bowl of rice today.

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By: srdha http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-1955 Tue, 26 May 2009 08:50:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/#comment-1955 i gust want to say some thing “great job”

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By: Antoinette Matthee http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-1932 Mon, 25 May 2009 14:34:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/#comment-1932 Dear Felix,
What an interesting blog! I am teaching economics at a primary school and studying to teach Grade 10-12. I’ve found it difficult to find an appropriate blog that is topical to both my studies and school curriculum. In my case I have to be economist, academic and “journalist” to my learners about every day, up to date economic affairs in the world. Blogs like these broaden your horizon and stimulates talk. Thank you!

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By: Joel Rosenblum http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-1927 Mon, 25 May 2009 09:37:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/#comment-1927 When I used to read academic articles in the humanities that would cite and often distinguish numerous previous writers on the topic, I used to think this was a sort of name-dropping, the author showing off that he had read all his predecessors. Since I was often not familiar with the previous writers I didn’t appreciate the value of “situating your contribution in the ongoing discussion.”
That is, till I started reading the business school journals. Not all journalists are writing on deadline. I was shocked to read long-form articles in the Harvard Business Review (and others) on things like the evolution of complex systems, articles intended to summarize the current state of theory and apply it to business strategy, but which made no reference to any intellectual progenitors. You’d have thought the author had created the theory of complex dynamics himself — or climbed Mount Sinai and brought it down on tablets. I thought it was somewhat unethical not to cite the author’s sources. And also intellectually shallow. It deprives the reader of links into that broader discussion. It was also disheartening to realize that Harvard apparently thinks business executives can’t handle footnotes.
(The HBR also seemed to have a policy of only citing other HBR articles.)
While a blog post like this is always somewhat situated because it is part of a stream of comments, I don’t think that fully situates it intellectually. If a lawyer were to write a blog comment citing a legal principle — say that mailing catalogs into a state is not sufficient “nexus” to establish jurisdiction for tax purposes — other lawyers would expect a reference to a case or some other authority. (And maybe also citing and distinguishing what seem to be contrary holdings in other cases.) The fact that the comment is situated in a stream of comments isn’t really sufficient. The relevant “discussion” is bigger than that.

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By: Nic Fulton http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-1925 Mon, 25 May 2009 05:29:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/#comment-1925 Felix – not sure I agree with all you said here. If you ask an academic what they are working on when it isn’t yet published, they’ll probably not tell you if they think you may publish first – I live with an academic, they have their ideas/work stolen too.

As for links – academics are expected to cite existing work, although they sometimes do so badly (‘personal correspondence’). Overall a good journalist should write the articles based around citing the words of their sources, using direct or indirect quotation, and better still naming those sources. What journalists maybe don’t do so much is hyperlink. But hyperlinks don’t point to anything permanent and may even break. Hyperlinks are regarded as a ‘bad’ citation in academic circles, since there’s no certainty the content will remain static (e.g. you do an experiment using values from a web page, someone wishes to repeat your experience and the values are either different or not available).

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By: joel j http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-1921 Mon, 25 May 2009 01:24:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/#comment-1921 Dear Felix,

Academics versus journalists? Interesting…

Some journalists are academics and vice versa. But, in the purest sense, academics are boring. They can be interesting if you have the time or patience to wait for what matters to you (very subjective per person), and I’m sure they are very good at what they do, but when it comes right down to it, they just don’t have the punch to serve up dinner on time.

Academics do have the luxury of time. And apparently this is important when it comes to such things as truth, cause, effect, etc.. They can blog, change their blogs (reports), correct and delete, and ultimately come up with something worth reporting. If an academic is complete in their thinking on their particular specialty, they often put events into contexts other may not. A valuable commodity.

Journalists, however, are the opportunists who scrap up the dailies, weeklies, monthlies – hopefully with some common sense and an ability to sort fact from fiction – and serve it up on demand. There is a marked difference between the two professions and the most critical one to me, it appears, is time.

So don’t let facts get in the way of a good story. Forty percent fact may be substantiated under the right context. Today’s fact is tomorrow’s fiction. Tomorrow is another day. Let it run. Put it out there and see if it causes a stir. Sometimes the truth needs a little help. If you say it, it is opinion; if someone else says it, it is news.
The world didn’t wait for Einstein and it won’t wait for your dissertation. The presses are rolling; pull it or push it. Get your facts straight.

Can you summarize that it 25 words or less?

Ultimately, it is best the two are kept at arm’s distance or further from each other. More importantly, it is fortunate we have some, dare I say, credible news organizations which undertake the task to keep them apart.

ps: Tweet to your heart’s delight.

(joel j is neither an academic or a journalist and he doesn’t Tweet)

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By: Jameson Burt http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-1910 Sun, 24 May 2009 19:09:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/#comment-1910 ECONOMISTS HAVE BETTER TRAINING TO REPORT NEWS.
What training does a reporter get?
Reporters have the gift of gab, hurried to spew sufficient words, and have a strong inclination to reflect what people/institutions already believe.
Reporters get trained in a field which almost anyone can get a college degree.
However, technical academic fields narrow the population to perhaps 10 percent who could attain a PhD.
The academic can cut through difficult/corrupted information, understanding the difference between a million and a trillion.
Numerous physicists have such good training that you find them at the front of other fields like Wall Street finance and statistics.

Economists have the best training for most stories.
The economist has a model about how things work,
whether people, animals, or the environment.
They have a rigid mathematical training.
Unlike reporters, economists who start writing off the top of their heads soon get corrected by their economic training.
A reporter might tell of cutbacks in schools,
but an economist (MarginalRevolution) would more entertainingly and more enlightened mention a teacher who paid for printing by adding local business advertisements on quizzes and tests.
You can select you economist according to your political view — conservative Greg Mankiw (Harvard), liberal Brad deLong (U.C. Berkeley), or libertarian Tyler Cowen (George Mason University).
Yet all these economists look out the window to temper their comments away from fancies in their heads and towards truth.

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By: Lafayette http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-1900 Sun, 24 May 2009 09:55:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/#comment-1900 Forums have been around since the mid-1980s. They were not Internet forums, but internal to proprietary company systems. Internet forums became current about a decade later. And “blog” is just a propeller-head word for a forum.

All of which makes for more than a quarter century of some of the most mindless chat around.

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By: Lafayette http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-1899 Sun, 24 May 2009 09:50:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/05/22/why-academics-make-better-bloggers-than-journalists/#comment-1899 Salmon: Try asking a magazine writer what she’s working on: she probably won’t tell you. After all, you might scoop her!

Once upon a time, long, long ago, the profession of journalism required journalists to verify or corroborate the information they were reporting from various sources. Nowadays, SpeedyNews no longer allows that, reporters have a deadline to meet.

Which means we (the readers) get a lot of junk that we must sift through separating the wheat from the chaff. With great quantities of chaff to handle.

In depth reporting died an agonizing death, in the decade just after Deep Throat.

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