Comments on: Whither cap-and-trade? An IM exchange A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 By: Charlie Peters Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:56:17 +0000 California CalEPA Secretary Linda Adams, signed a MOU with the UN in China on earth day. China gets about 50% of the world carbon tax and the China government gets a 50% tax of the credits.

** China goods and services may increase

** We pay the carbon tax and Pew Business Environmental Leadership Council (BELC) Member Companies: ABB, Air Products, Alcoa Inc., American Electric Power, Bank of America, BASF, Baxter International Inc., The Boeing Company, BP, California Portland Cement, CH2M HILL, Citi, Cummins Inc., Deere & Company, Deutsche Telekom, The Dow Chemical Company, DTE Energy, Duke Energy, DuPont, Entergy, Exelon, GE, Hewlett-Packard Company, Holcim (US) Inc., IBM, Intel, Interface Inc., Johnson Controls, Inc., Lockheed Martin, Marsh, Inc., Novartis, Ontario Power Generation, PG&E Corporation, PNM Resources, Rio Tinto, Rohm and Haas, Royal Dutch/Shell, SC Johnson, Toyota, TransAlta, United Technologies, Weyerhaeuser, Whirlpool Corporation, Wisconsin Energy Corporation and friends may all share in the public/private partnership of corporate and NGO welfare

By: Les Horn Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:18:45 +0000 Cap and TRADE(TAX) is ENRON forced onto everyone.

CAP and TRADE(TAX) puts the entire U.S. economy on the shoulders of the Chicago Climate Exchange(CCX)

Just say no to CAP and TRADE(TAX)!

By: Terry Skipper Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:57:27 +0000 NASA came out with the Goddard Study which states CO2 has nothing to with global warming and that climate change is caused by the Sun, so I don’t see why climate change is still an issue. The Weekly Standard has an online article explaining the failed failed theories of James Hansen, the ex-NASA Scientist who was not a meterologist and doesn’t know what he talking about. The article is call: The Man who cried Doom.

By: AntonioSosa Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:52:14 +0000 An increasing number of scientists and thinking people all over the world are realizing that man-made global warming is a hoax that threatens our future and the future of our children because it’s being used for criminal scams, such as cap-and-trade.

More than 700 international scientists dissent over man-made global warming claims. They are now more than 13 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers. t/view/3562/218/

Additionally, more than 30,000 American scientists have signed onto a petition that states, “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.”

We pray that honest leaders – both Democrat and Republican – are able to save us from Obama’s criminal global warming/cap-and-trade scam.

By: AntonioSosa Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:49:47 +0000 No patriotic and informed American can support the global warming/cap and trade scam, more fraudulent than any Nigerian scam.

Cap and Trade “would be the equivalent of an atomic bomb directed at the U.S. economy—all without any scientific justification,” said famed climatologist Dr. S. Fred Singer. It would significantly increase taxes and the cost of energy, forcing many companies to close, thus increasing unemployment, poverty and dependence.

Cap and trade represents huge taxes and cost increases, which will hurt mostly the poor and the middle class. Cap and trade will give dictatorial powers to Obama and will further enrich his billionaire friends (Gore, Soros, Goldman Sachs, Obama’s Chicago Climate Exchange friends, GE, etc.) — all at our expense and at the expense of our children and grandchildren.

Those brainwashed to the point of wanting to destroy the economy to “prevent global warming” are behaving like the most primitive human beings who were duped into believing that human sacrifices would ensure them good weather. Human beings don’t have the power to control climate! And killing the economy will not help the environment. Poor countries can’t protect the environment. Just look at Haiti!

By: dWj Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:38:20 +0000 > the costs of putting a price on carbon during the recession

This is one big advantage of cap-and-trade over a carbon tax; given a targeted curb on emissions, the price of carbon will be lower in an economy that is underperforming expectations under cap-and-trade, and higher in an economy that is overperforming, than under a pre-set tax. It’s countercyclical. Because the economy is weak right now, carbon use will be coming down anyway.

I’ve become convinced that the current Waxman-Markey is worse than nothing, though. Once cap-and-trade is in place, with a given level of emissions, subsidies to various particular activities amount to incentivizing those activities at the expense of unsubsidized activities that result in exactly the same reduction (mostly, it’s my impression, conservation) — unless the price of carbon actually goes to 0, subsidizing biofuels doesn’t reduce emissions, because you still have the same binding cap. And this bill is just absolutely replete with this nonsense. Throw it away and start over.

By: Brad Ford Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:20:08 +0000 Felix,

If we pass this bill, we are going to need nuclear power plants to replace new and/or old fossil fuel plants. Wind and/or Solar will be unable to pick up the slack for quite some time.

To pass the bill without planning for more nukes and disposal of their waste would be irresponsible.

In addition to financial incentives, we are going to have to pass laws that allow construction to happen without wasting decades/money in constant litigation with anti-nuke activists.

BTW – if they wanted to replace the dirty oil and coal plants in my state with a brand new nukes, I would be very happy camper.