Comments on: What’s the price-quality correlation for bicycles? http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: James Davies http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/comment-page-1/#comment-4105 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:28:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/#comment-4105 Brad Ford as it right. There is very little correlation between price and quality above some threshold. Carbon fiber road bike frames will cost you more than $2500, but is this better then a $250 aluminum commuter frame? Depends on whether you’re racing on the roads of France right now or slogging through muddy streets on your way to work. Is a carbon fiber Mercedes McLaren SLR better than a Caddy Escalade? Depends whether your commute looks more like Le Mans or Paris-Dakar.

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By: Alan@EcoVelo http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/comment-page-1/#comment-3972 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:34:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/#comment-3972 “But the only people buying $2,500 bikes should be people who can easily afford to pay cash for them: no one should be taking out a loan for that kind of luxury.”

So, it’s OK to spend $25,000 on an automobile, but $2,500 is too much for a bicycle? Bicycles are not necessarily a “luxury”, they can also be serious tools for transportation; you only have to look at The Netherlands, Denmark, and Germany (and a few cities in the U.S.) to see that. When viewed in the context of automobile replacements, bicycles are incredibly good investments, even at the upper end of the price spectrum (and that’s well beyond $2,500).

Alan@EcoVelo
www.ecovelo.info

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By: Brad Ford http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/comment-page-1/#comment-3967 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:50:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/#comment-3967 How is a $2,500 bicycle any different from a $50,000 car? I would be the farm my $20,000 Toyota has better functionality and reliability than most $50,000 cars and all $100K+ vehicles.

As the lender, the credit union’s obligation is to determine if the borrower can (and will) repay the loan. If the answer is yes, they should make the loan.

I can imagine a kid getting out of college and getting a good job with a good income. He lives in Portland and decides he doesn’t want to incur the cost of owning a car. If he wants to buy a $2,500 bicycle, who are we to judge.

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By: Rockfish http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/comment-page-1/#comment-3959 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:26:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/#comment-3959 Very interesting. I think this is a good example of community-centered banking and I give them props for it.
A product like this could be great for someone (perhaps newly unemployed) who is facing a short-term cash flow problem, and would rather not run up credit card balances. Regarding costs, while basic commuters can be had for $3-400, some people may be better served by folding bikes (for multi-mode commuting) or other, more costly, bikes.
As a final point, I bet all those $400 bikes are made in China. As the previous commenter noted, Portland has a vibrant local bike manufacturing community, but their products tend to be more expensive. If a loan product like this allows someone to buy a locally-made $1000 bike instead of a foreign-made $400 bike the economic multiplier effect is massive.

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By: zach http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/comment-page-1/#comment-3955 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:25:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/#comment-3955 It’d be better for people to buy a bike on this loan than put it on their credit card, which they’d likely do. The problem is they’ll then use the $2500 freed up on their cards to buy something else.

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By: Stuart Levine http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/comment-page-1/#comment-3948 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:07:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/#comment-3948 True story: When I was in college (1968-72), I really wanted a Gitane bike. But, at $125-150, it was beyond my means. About a month ago, I came across a Gitane at the Salvation Army store, with no rust and in virtually perfect condition. For $15 and a thorough once-over at a bike shop for about $75, my son now has the bike of my (college)dreams.

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By: Jon Hendry http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/comment-page-1/#comment-3946 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:45:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/#comment-3946 Dutch bikes?

From the dutchbikesseattle site: “Put one of our mahogany boxes ($329)on the front for your tools, your dog or to hold your sweetheart’s picnic lunch. ”

Mahogany? $329? FOR A BOX?

Clearly, dutch bikes are for people with more money than sense.

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By: chrismealy http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/comment-page-1/#comment-3941 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:51:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/#comment-3941 A good city bike, in the Dutch style, has fenders, internal gears, chain case, skirt guard, hub dynamo powered lights, high-quality seat, etc. Those add up, but it’s worth it. $1,200 isn’t too much to pay for everyday transportation.

I see somebody made a complete list:
http://dutchbikeseattle.com/weblog/?p=72

They’re a lot cheaper in Holland though, €750
http://www.workcycles.com/workbike/bicyc les/dutch-city-bikes/workcycles-secret-s ervice-mens-bike.html

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By: Eric Dewey http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/comment-page-1/#comment-3940 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:30:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/#comment-3940 Felix, don’t dis my credit union! We’re not requiring people to buy $2500 bikes – and we’re certainly not advising them on which bike to buy!

All we’re doing is trying to raise awareness that we are lending in innovative ways and supporting the biking community.

We set up the $2500 limit because here in Portland we have worked with local custom bike builders (small, tiny businesses) who make all kinds of interesting designs, few of which are racing models.

Love your work – but on this one, you need to come out here and see what’s happening in the bike lanes before you trash our products!

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By: odograph http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/comment-page-1/#comment-3939 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:28:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/09/whats-the-price-quality-correlation-for-bicycles/#comment-3939 I think you’ve implied a use (commuting?), and $400 is fine for that. For a kick-around bike you could get a cruiser for a lot less. For a mountain bike you’d need a shade more for something reliable.

Here’s a bike with fenders for Portland:

http://www.rei.com/product/760872

(Of course, with 7.50% APR maybe it isn’t charity … maybe it is (in the words of Steve Martin) a profit thing.)

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