Comments on: Pedestrians in bike lanes http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Terry http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-4089 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:33:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/#comment-4089 Another useless blog and useless blogger, new media is crap.

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By: q http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-4020 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:29:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/#comment-4020 i want you to try driving down fordham road in the bronx. pedestrians and automobiles share the road quite well when pedestrians don’t follow any rules as long as drivers understand this. traffic flows very, very slowly.

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By: Paul http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-3989 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:26:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/#comment-3989 But Felix, by definition *you* are bike Salmon. And if you get hit by a car you’re chum Salmon (aka “bait.”)

:-)

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By: rmark http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-3983 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:57:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/#comment-3983 I like the term ‘bike salmon’. As an auto driver near a college campus, I tire of swiveling my head around trying to spot the bike that’s going the wrong way up the street, jumping off the curb, or using the pedestrian cross walk. It’s a pleasure to see a bike following traffic rules so their movements are predictable.

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By: Craig http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-3980 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:00:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/#comment-3980 I appreciate what can only be called an admission against self-interest: many cyclists seem to think that no rules at all apply to them, that they can go anywhere and do anything they like. Ride against traffic, disregard signals, whatever. I have one report (from a bike _advocay_ group, mind) that shows 70% of bicycle-auto collisions requiring hospital treatment involved the cyclist breaking traffic rules, as opposed to 45% in which the motor vehicle driver did (and a certain number in which _both_ were out of order, of course). The effect is pronounced on and around college campuses, where cyclists are apt to whip out into the streets from any point, and in any direction. I’m a committed “share the road” type, but more emphasis needs to be placed on cyclist responsibilities–not just rights.

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By: Sam Ley http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-3979 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:48:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/#comment-3979 “Why do pedestrians walk in the bike lane?” is the same question as, “Why do cars drive in the bike lane?” “Why do people walk in the street?” “Why do trucks park on the sidewalk?” etc.

People aren’t “bikers” or “pedestrians”, they are “users of the transportation infrastructure” which, believe it or not, is actually fairly well designed, and tends to work well when everyone is doing what they are supposed to be doing.

Don’t succumb to the availability heuristic when thinking that it is just users of a particular class of transportation who commit the infraction of “not being where they are supposed to be, and being inconsiderate/dangerous”. Most of the inconsiderate cyclists are probably also inconsiderate drivers (you just don’t notice them as much when they are in their cars, because you are much more used to inconsiderate automotive behavior).

Generally speaking, people don’t think much about how their individual use of the transportation infrastructure affects everyone else’s ability to use it safely and effectively. This lack of awareness, without the same level of fear one has for semi-trucks, results in people wandering into bike lanes while walking around.

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By: Liam http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-3978 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:38:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/#comment-3978 As an NYC cyclist who stops at red lights more than half the time WHERE I AM SUPPOSED to, I resent your massive generalization as a cyclist and pedestrian.

Avoid using terms like “no one” when you are talking about MILLIONS of people.

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By: sam http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-3975 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:02:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/#comment-3975 I’m one of those rare bikers that (generally) stops at red lights, but I’ve also been known to scream very loudly at pedestrians and cars that have decided my bike lane is their resting place. Just the other day, while going down the new bike lane from columbus circle to times square, I had to yell at a woman 3 times before she noticed I was there, because she was busy standing smack in the middle of the bike lane taking a picture up broadway. I couldn’t even swerve around her thanks to the fact that they actually put raised curbs on the outside of the lane, ostensibly for protection.

Needless to say, the 3rd yell involved some profanity, at which point she got completely put out because I spoke rudely to her.

That being said, while taking my ride, I started thinking about what it would take for people to respect the bike lanes.

Not to use too many cliches, but I agree that we need to get to a european level of cycling, a critical mass of cyclists using the lanes to reach that infamous tipping point where people know what the bike lanes are. In order for that to happen, cyclists need to conscientiously use the bike lanes, rather than riding in the streets right next to them (I completely understand why they don’t want to, but it’s not helping in the long run). The flip side is that the bike lanes need to make sense. I usually just ride for fun (I live too close to work to make anything other than walking the sensible commuting technique), but in deciding to explore the broadway and 8th ave bike lanes on tuesday (rather than the greenway), I was shocked at how often the bike lanes just make no sense. They’re great and protected for 10 blocks, and then they just end, dumping cyclists who perhaps aren’t prepared for it into traffic (or, in the case of the times square clusterf*ck, pedestrian only zones). On my way back up 8th avenue, there was a lane most of the way up (filled with trucks, cop cars and pedestrians), and then it just disappeared around the port authority (and then appeared again afterwards). I actually saw another cyclist get hit by a car in that two blocks by a driver who pulled out from a parking/standing spot without looking (luckily, only his tire was damaged), and then the car (with out-of-state plates) zoomed off before I could get the number. To “disappear” the bike lane in during to most heavily traffic-ed and crazy portion of 8th ave is completely nonsensical and, quite frankly, inviting of accidents.

didn’t mean to rant, but I got on a roll there.

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By: Paul S http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-3974 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:00:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/10/pedestrians-in-bike-lanes/#comment-3974 The problem with walking in bike lanes is not brief infringements like this photo. We’re not talking about people jaywalking THROUGH the bike lane. We’re talking about people who walk at length in the lane as if it is the sidewalk, for blocks on end, to avoid sidewalk traffic.

It’s something we NYC bikers have to deal with every block or at least every two. Bikers are trying to worry about the CARS that slip into the bike lane to pass, and we have to dodge pedestrians popping out between parked cars on one side and mailboxes on the other. It’s dangerous and it’s been getting steadily worse.

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