Comments on: Tax banks to make them smaller http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Rockfish http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/comment-page-1/#comment-4284 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:09:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/#comment-4284 Understood. But I thought the point of our hypothetical tax was to keep the institution small, not so much the bonuses, (though the original post does mention both.)

I do agree that in short order the tax accountants would be the new Masters of the Universe!

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By: Dollared http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/comment-page-1/#comment-4273 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:24:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/#comment-4273 Rockfish, I agree with your point – although I made my comment because I think it’s impossible to tax leverage per se. You are creating a wholly new tax based on revenue, a very hard thing.

So, I think the more likely result is an income tax provision, but even then I’m doubtful; if you think regulatory arbitrage inspires creative maneuvering, you should see the creativity that goes into tax avoidance!

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By: Rockfish http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/comment-page-1/#comment-4252 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:44:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/#comment-4252 I’m not an accountant, but I don’t think you need to tax the bonuses. Compensation is paid out of revenue. If you tax the revenue on a sliding scale that factors in how “dangerously” (however you define that) the institution is operating, the money won’t be there to pay bonuses with.
Honestly, if a company that today pays a $1M bonus for a $100M deal (totally made-up numbers) still wants to pay the $1M bonus for a deal taxed down to $25M they can go right ahead.

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By: Z. http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/comment-page-1/#comment-4245 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:15:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/#comment-4245 I’m currently reading William Cohan’s “House of Cards”, and I was surprised to learn that Bear Stearns often had their leverage ratio at 50-to-1 mid-quarter, then sold assets to bring it down to 35-to-1 for regulatory reporting purposes at the end of each quarter.

The WSJ leverage ratio tax would need to find a way to stop or at least impede such behavior.

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By: KenG http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/comment-page-1/#comment-4228 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:56:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/#comment-4228 drewbie, the theory behind the invisible hand of the market is that the giant banks who pass the tax on to their customers through higher fees will lose those customers to smaller banks who can charge less. if you believe in fairy tales like that.

On the part of the post about Goldman’s profits belonging to the government, the government subsidized Goldman’s profits, not just once by loaning them money, but also by giving them $12B or so when AIG no longer had collateral to back up the swaps they sold. I still can’t get over that gift, the government didn’t have to make AIG’s counterparties whole, they should have made them force AIG into bankruptcy. They wouldn’t have done that, because then they would have had to write down the value of the swaps, and they wouldn’t have wanted to do that.

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By: Dollared http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/comment-page-1/#comment-4225 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:46:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/#comment-4225 Accounting issue: the tax needs to be on the employee compensation, or on reducing the deductibility of the compensation. Otherwise, you have no effect on bonuses, since that (sadly enough), is a deductible expense and acts to lower the reported net income of the corporation.

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By: drewbie http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/comment-page-1/#comment-4224 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:34:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/#comment-4224 What would prevent the banks from passing the tax on to customers through higher interest on loans and lower interest on savings/checking accounts?

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By: Robert Leckie http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/comment-page-1/#comment-4223 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:19:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/#comment-4223 Hey Felix,

Not posting on this story but unsure of how to reach you otherwise. I’m a Toronto guy and wanted to get your feedback on the Eric Sprott/David Franklin contention that we’re in a depression.

Any thoughts or counterargument?

http://www.sprott.com/Docs/MarketsataGla nce/July_2009.pdf

Thanks,

Rob

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By: Don the libertarian Democrat http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/comment-page-1/#comment-4222 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:09:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/#comment-4222 This is also Buiter’s idea:

“(5) Tax bank size

When size creates externalities, do what you would do with any negative externality: tax it.

The other way to limit size is to tax size. This can be done through capital requirements that are progressive in the size of the business (as measured by value added, the size of the balance sheet or some other metric). Such measures for preventing the New Darwinism of the survival of the fattest and the politically best connected should be distinguished from regulatory interventions based on the narrow leverage ratio aimed at regulating risk (regardless of size, except for a de minimis lower limit).”

But note this as well:

“(2) Restore narrow banking or public utility banking

‘Public utility banking’ with just retail deposits on the liability side and with reserves, sovereign debt instruments and bank loans (secured and unsecured) on the asset side would take care of the retail payment, clearing and settlement system and deposit banking. Such narrow banking would represent an extreme version of Glass-Steagall approach. There would be deposit insurance and, should that fail, a lender of last resort and market maker of last resort. These tightly regulated institutions would not be able to engage in other banking and financial activities, and other financial institutions would not be able to take deposits withdrawable on demand or economically equivalent instruments.”

I think that Buiter has the best overall plan proposed so far. Read it here, or just take my word for it:

http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2009/06/to o-big-to-fail-is-too-big/

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By: Optimistic Dude http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/comment-page-1/#comment-4219 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:24:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/15/tax-banks-to-make-them-smaller/#comment-4219 Would it have been out of the question to ask for an equal share of the compensation to go to taxpayers at the same rate as GS employees before the ‘loan’ was granted? http://www.newsy.com/videos/as_good_as_g oldman

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