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		<title>By: edgein</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/16/ben-stein-predatory-bait-and-switch-merchant/comment-page-2/#comment-20021</link>
		<dc:creator>edgein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 07:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not really interested in defending Ben Stein, but I do feel he was just ignorant of the scam credit score sites that we are flooded with now and just blindly accepted another paying gig. They are all after one thing - your credit card number. Recurring payments is the name of the game these days. And they get plenty of suckers every time they air their commercials. I never buy anything on credit but I would think that an auto dealership, for example, wouldn&#039;t care about a credit &quot;score&quot; number but would look at the overall report. The &quot;score&quot; thing is something the 3 main credit reporting agencies came up with to screw people out of money and I feel they are the main culprits in all of this. And the widespread ignorance of the public makes it easy for them to prey on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not really interested in defending Ben Stein, but I do feel he was just ignorant of the scam credit score sites that we are flooded with now and just blindly accepted another paying gig. They are all after one thing &#8211; your credit card number. Recurring payments is the name of the game these days. And they get plenty of suckers every time they air their commercials. I never buy anything on credit but I would think that an auto dealership, for example, wouldn&#8217;t care about a credit &#8220;score&#8221; number but would look at the overall report. The &#8220;score&#8221; thing is something the 3 main credit reporting agencies came up with to screw people out of money and I feel they are the main culprits in all of this. And the widespread ignorance of the public makes it easy for them to prey on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Maorka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maorka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of insulting Felix Salmon, readers should be grateful for this informative article.  I used to work in the field of financial education and literacy (something Americans&#039; need a lot more of, in general) and remember when Ben Stein was the key note speaker at a conference on the topic in Washington, D.C.  The fact that a man whose entire career and reputation as an economics journalist has now sold himself as a pitch man for a shady, unethical company whose main purpose is to rip off the unsuspecting public is what you would call a &quot;shanda&quot; in Yiddish and Ben Stein should be ashamed of himself.  Kudos to Salmon for exposing that Stein is a hypocrite and a fraud and betrayed all that he had purportedly stood for just for an easy buck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of insulting Felix Salmon, readers should be grateful for this informative article.  I used to work in the field of financial education and literacy (something Americans&#8217; need a lot more of, in general) and remember when Ben Stein was the key note speaker at a conference on the topic in Washington, D.C.  The fact that a man whose entire career and reputation as an economics journalist has now sold himself as a pitch man for a shady, unethical company whose main purpose is to rip off the unsuspecting public is what you would call a &#8220;shanda&#8221; in Yiddish and Ben Stein should be ashamed of himself.  Kudos to Salmon for exposing that Stein is a hypocrite and a fraud and betrayed all that he had purportedly stood for just for an easy buck.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/16/ben-stein-predatory-bait-and-switch-merchant/comment-page-2/#comment-8990</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article is unfortunately true.  Freescore.com made $60 in authorized charges against my credit card.  Avoid them at all costs.

What they are doing ought to be illegal but unfortunately is not.  So, too, is Ben Stein&#039;s activity in endorsing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is unfortunately true.  Freescore.com made $60 in authorized charges against my credit card.  Avoid them at all costs.</p>
<p>What they are doing ought to be illegal but unfortunately is not.  So, too, is Ben Stein&#8217;s activity in endorsing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, so did you have a crush on Stein in high school and he turned you down? I&#039;ve never seen an article written with so much baffling hostility about such a harmless person. I&#039;d love to see the writer go on &quot;Win Ben Steins Money&quot; and see how far they could go up against Stein himself. 

Secondly, most of the comments I&#039;ve seen about Expelled lead me to believe that almost no one here has actually seen the film. Nowhere does the film argue that Creationism should be taught in schools. Intelligent Design doesn&#039;t even argue that. The film&#039;s argument is that any teacher or scientist that considers ID shouldn&#039;t be fired. Science should be open to considering anything... thats how we learn. Nearly every scientific discovery in history seemed ridiculous to someone at one point or another. 

Secondly, someone made it sound like ID and Creationism are one and the same. They are not. People of all religions believe in ID. There are even athiests that believe in ID. ID is simply the idea that maybe there was a &quot;designer&quot; behind the beginning of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, so did you have a crush on Stein in high school and he turned you down? I&#8217;ve never seen an article written with so much baffling hostility about such a harmless person. I&#8217;d love to see the writer go on &#8220;Win Ben Steins Money&#8221; and see how far they could go up against Stein himself. </p>
<p>Secondly, most of the comments I&#8217;ve seen about Expelled lead me to believe that almost no one here has actually seen the film. Nowhere does the film argue that Creationism should be taught in schools. Intelligent Design doesn&#8217;t even argue that. The film&#8217;s argument is that any teacher or scientist that considers ID shouldn&#8217;t be fired. Science should be open to considering anything&#8230; thats how we learn. Nearly every scientific discovery in history seemed ridiculous to someone at one point or another. </p>
<p>Secondly, someone made it sound like ID and Creationism are one and the same. They are not. People of all religions believe in ID. There are even athiests that believe in ID. ID is simply the idea that maybe there was a &#8220;designer&#8221; behind the beginning of life.</p>
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		<title>By: roger strand</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger strand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I whole heartily agree with wenzy, Felix is a piss ant and obviously very intimidated by Ben. Is it any surprise they canned Ben, a Conservative at the most liberal rag this side of the London Guardian. Ben will move on to greater things as the NYT dies a well deserved death. Besides I&#039;ll bet Felix doesn&#039;t like Ferris Bueller either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I whole heartily agree with wenzy, Felix is a piss ant and obviously very intimidated by Ben. Is it any surprise they canned Ben, a Conservative at the most liberal rag this side of the London Guardian. Ben will move on to greater things as the NYT dies a well deserved death. Besides I&#8217;ll bet Felix doesn&#8217;t like Ferris Bueller either.</p>
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		<title>By: wenzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>wenzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix is a  piss ant little boychild.....he might as well save himself some time and just write, Nah nah nah nah.....nah nah.  Cuz thats all I am hearing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix is a  piss ant little boychild&#8230;..he might as well save himself some time and just write, Nah nah nah nah&#8230;..nah nah.  Cuz thats all I am hearing!</p>
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		<title>By: Wally Baloo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/16/ben-stein-predatory-bait-and-switch-merchant/comment-page-1/#comment-5238</link>
		<dc:creator>Wally Baloo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want to find something on Ben Stein?  He claims to have been valedictorian of his class at Yale Law School.  Well, if you search the web, you will not find anyone else who made the same claim.  Now with all those high powered people at YLS, you would think that one of them would be touting his/her valedictorian credentials.  You&#039;d think that there would be a list somewhere of YLS valedictorians.

My guess is that Ben Stein made it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to find something on Ben Stein?  He claims to have been valedictorian of his class at Yale Law School.  Well, if you search the web, you will not find anyone else who made the same claim.  Now with all those high powered people at YLS, you would think that one of them would be touting his/her valedictorian credentials.  You&#8217;d think that there would be a list somewhere of YLS valedictorians.</p>
<p>My guess is that Ben Stein made it up.</p>
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		<title>By: el camino</title>
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		<dc:creator>el camino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbelievable!  With all the focus on conflicts of interest in government I would have missed this story completely.  Fortunately, the public can rely upon the New York Times and initiatives such as this one to guard against any and all potential things fishy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable!  With all the focus on conflicts of interest in government I would have missed this story completely.  Fortunately, the public can rely upon the New York Times and initiatives such as this one to guard against any and all potential things fishy.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha Teitelbaum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/07/16/ben-stein-predatory-bait-and-switch-merchant/comment-page-1/#comment-5194</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha Teitelbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben Stein graduated from my high school in the early 60&#039;s (he reportedly was a jerk in high school also) and now has agreed to be the MC of a big reunion celebrating the 75th anniversary of the school.
I have written to the organizers and told them that he is a completely inappropriate person, but they are so enamored of his Hollywood status that they simply don&#039;t understand why anyone would want him off the ticket.
Many of us are refusing to go to the reunion -- we certainly don&#039;t want to pay to sit in an audience while Stein holds forth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Stein graduated from my high school in the early 60&#8242;s (he reportedly was a jerk in high school also) and now has agreed to be the MC of a big reunion celebrating the 75th anniversary of the school.<br />
I have written to the organizers and told them that he is a completely inappropriate person, but they are so enamored of his Hollywood status that they simply don&#8217;t understand why anyone would want him off the ticket.<br />
Many of us are refusing to go to the reunion &#8212; we certainly don&#8217;t want to pay to sit in an audience while Stein holds forth.</p>
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		<title>By: nikkik</title>
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		<dc:creator>nikkik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your bark is bigger than your bite and your research on the product is pretty thin, felix. what kind of blogger are you?  

as an actual live customer, who pays for the product monthly and has found value, you clearly are on a witch hunt for ben stein.  what did any of these people do to?

it&#039;s bad enough there was a falling out over his decision to rep the product, but your misrepresentation of the offer requires a bit more due diligence.

i was able to test drive the product and actually, when i finally saw my reports and scores and incorrect data, i was able to fix it, easily.  have you tried calling the credit bureaus for help, lately?  didn&#039;t think so.

you claim the score is of no value - but they gave me the scores, which the free annual site you pimped didn&#039;t.  they also monitored my credit at all the big bureaus, which i don&#039;t think free annual does either.  if the scores have no value, why do the likes of myFICO and the credit bureaus seemed to want to charge me extra for them?  

there are tons of products out there - and if you&#039;re going to say it&#039;s a crackpot, why not hit the bureaus on this too?  these are THEIR products.  they offer them too through their own sites like - freecreditreport.com, truecredit.com, equifax.com - and through every bank known to man.

so do me a favor, stop kicking poor ben when he&#039;s down.  if it weren&#039;t for him paving the way for celebrity-esque writers (read: bloggers, to you, youngin&#039;), you wouldn&#039;t have a job.

buck up, dude and learn to do your research better.  sensationalism only makes you look weak &amp; uneducated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your bark is bigger than your bite and your research on the product is pretty thin, felix. what kind of blogger are you?  </p>
<p>as an actual live customer, who pays for the product monthly and has found value, you clearly are on a witch hunt for ben stein.  what did any of these people do to?</p>
<p>it&#8217;s bad enough there was a falling out over his decision to rep the product, but your misrepresentation of the offer requires a bit more due diligence.</p>
<p>i was able to test drive the product and actually, when i finally saw my reports and scores and incorrect data, i was able to fix it, easily.  have you tried calling the credit bureaus for help, lately?  didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>you claim the score is of no value &#8211; but they gave me the scores, which the free annual site you pimped didn&#8217;t.  they also monitored my credit at all the big bureaus, which i don&#8217;t think free annual does either.  if the scores have no value, why do the likes of myFICO and the credit bureaus seemed to want to charge me extra for them?  </p>
<p>there are tons of products out there &#8211; and if you&#8217;re going to say it&#8217;s a crackpot, why not hit the bureaus on this too?  these are THEIR products.  they offer them too through their own sites like &#8211; freecreditreport.com, truecredit.com, equifax.com &#8211; and through every bank known to man.</p>
<p>so do me a favor, stop kicking poor ben when he&#8217;s down.  if it weren&#8217;t for him paving the way for celebrity-esque writers (read: bloggers, to you, youngin&#8217;), you wouldn&#8217;t have a job.</p>
<p>buck up, dude and learn to do your research better.  sensationalism only makes you look weak &amp; uneducated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the score itself is not very useful to consumers&quot;
You should tell this to the banks when you are trying to get a mortgage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the score itself is not very useful to consumers&#8221;<br />
You should tell this to the banks when you are trying to get a mortgage</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I saw your &quot;this is my last Stein post, anyone want to take up the Ben Stein Watch banner?&quot; and did not take you up on it (despite my own blog getting lots of hits when I dished Stein), because I was as sick of the duffer as you were. But, yowser! Has anyone noticed how slurred and labored his voice has become? It sounds terrible - I&#039;ve wondered about the possibility of a stroke for some time.

What a sad spiral for a man who I, frankly, see as a narcissist, first portraying himself as a playboy and hinting at an open marriage in (one of) his autobiograph(ies), hanging around pretty young things and reportedly chasing them on his game show, then doing a U-turn into buffoonish creationism and self-righteous moralizing, and finally this desperate dance for coins. The predictable fate of the hopelessly mediocre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I saw your &#8220;this is my last Stein post, anyone want to take up the Ben Stein Watch banner?&#8221; and did not take you up on it (despite my own blog getting lots of hits when I dished Stein), because I was as sick of the duffer as you were. But, yowser! Has anyone noticed how slurred and labored his voice has become? It sounds terrible &#8211; I&#8217;ve wondered about the possibility of a stroke for some time.</p>
<p>What a sad spiral for a man who I, frankly, see as a narcissist, first portraying himself as a playboy and hinting at an open marriage in (one of) his autobiograph(ies), hanging around pretty young things and reportedly chasing them on his game show, then doing a U-turn into buffoonish creationism and self-righteous moralizing, and finally this desperate dance for coins. The predictable fate of the hopelessly mediocre.</p>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stein has been full of crap for years now.  When he wrote a column saying social security was &quot;going broke&quot; (it is solvent until 2036), I e-mailed him and called him out on it.  Of course, he never responded.  Liar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stein has been full of crap for years now.  When he wrote a column saying social security was &#8220;going broke&#8221; (it is solvent until 2036), I e-mailed him and called him out on it.  Of course, he never responded.  Liar.</p>
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		<title>By: giantslor</title>
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		<dc:creator>giantslor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? The creator of the anti-evolution propaganda film &quot;Exposed&quot; is willing to lie for money? Whoda thunkit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? The creator of the anti-evolution propaganda film &#8220;Exposed&#8221; is willing to lie for money? Whoda thunkit?</p>
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		<title>By: jesse kornbluth</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesse kornbluth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tip of the iceberg
Here&#039;s more of Stein&#039;s wretched history
http://gawker.com/5006818/ben-stein-bad-advertisement-for-intelligent-design</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tip of the iceberg<br />
Here&#8217;s more of Stein&#8217;s wretched history<br />
<a href='http://gawker.com/5006818/ben-stein-bad-advertisement-for-intelligent-design'>http://gawker.com/5006818/ben-stein-bad- advertisement-for-intelligent-design</a></p>
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