Comments on: The economics of private schools http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: clairehodges http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-29755 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:35:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/#comment-29755 This is a great example of someone who has received a better than average education. Although public schools provide the opportunity, the motivation and the broader aspects of a whole approach is often left to the parents. Such things as sporting, music, the arts are all added extras in the public system. Social diplomacy is also another area that is not explored to its fullest potential in the public schools. Province schools pay for the expectation that students learn social behaviors, are confident and also skilled in many activities outside of the class room. Our ABC although important, are not the single factor that ensures a stand out success for the individual.
Claire
http://www.schoolstickers.co.uk/

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By: SelenesMom http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-10070 Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:03:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/#comment-10070 Lots of points made here, many good, a few (IMHO) misguided. I’ll third, or fourth or whatever we are up to, the point about charitable status not equaling qualifying for tax-exempt status in the US. (Many of our private schools have a religious affiliation, which could be tax-exempt without necessarily being charitable.)

It’s too bad that so many seem to think that we pay taxes today to make public school available to our personal kids, and then get grumpy if we don’t actually have kids or if our kids aren’t in public school. I think of it as paying back the debt I incurred for the public school education that was made available to me as a kid (even though I didn’t always go to public school).

There are a lot of good reasons vouchers didn’t catch on in the Reagan administration, let alone now. One of them is that a lot of the best schools aren’t likely to accept them. These schools already make financial aid available, have endowments and don’t want to come under more government oversight than they already have or set up the paperwork to deal with vouchers from (dozens? hundreds?) of school districts. If you don’t believe me, call up Andover and ask the admissions office what they think about getting paid in vouchers.

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By: bella http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-7794 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:18:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/#comment-7794 It is so arrogant and ignorant to say that “UK private schools are among the best schools on the planet, and I was lucky enough to attend one”. How on earth do you know that?

Take a look outside of the UK and see how rigid and how lacking in “rigor” the UK system is and how little creativity and innovation has come from ‘the best school on the planet”

Take a good look at yourself.

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By: ray http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-6079 Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:45:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/#comment-6079 Public schools fail because of how they are operated, not because of who attends or how much they spend. Forcing people to attend or fleecing private schools will make no difference in public school performance.

Our children attended public school for a couple of years, but we now send them to private school. Why? many reasons. The public school administration was arrogant and secretive, the teachers were poor performers. The school spent up to half the time on social causes rather than education. Disruptive children were not disciplined and allowed to negatively impact the educational environment.

In summary, it was chaos, plus our kids were top of their classes and getting bored. If we didn’t get them out of there, they were going to be brought down to mediocre performance like the others. In the private school the kids are disciplined, the teachers and the administration are energetic and involved. Politics is not in the school, it is focused on core education with outstanding specialty classes around real educational related subjects. It is how I remember my public school.

The public school spent more money per pupil than the private, had a lot of parental involvement (though they limited it), significant additional donations, and great facilities. But none of that mattered because of how it was operated and the amount of mushy social topics that took time from core educational items. We had zero influence in how it was operated so we left it.

Therefore, it was easy to conclude public education is a broken model. The oversized power and resource drain of the centralized education bureaucracy pushing its social agenda needs to be removed and put in the hands of education consumers. The only real solution is to provide vouchers and let parents decide the schools and programs best for their children. Here on the ground it is obvious anything else will result in another failed leftist program, with children as the victims.

The big question is why do people really want to force children into broken public schools and not let them choose much better solutions? Seriously, why?

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By: Felix Salmon http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-6065 Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:17:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/#comment-6065 Vincent, check out my earlier blog entries here and here. I think that there’s really no “market” in schools at all.

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By: Vincent L. http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-6055 Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:38:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/#comment-6055 “Private schools have better scores because they can keep kids who don’t perform well out. If you are only accepting the best students, your scores will always be high. Public schools have to accept everyone, so their scores will always be low. If private schools are that wonderful, they should not be selecting who gets in. If the selection process was the same as a public school, they would have the same problems.”

Think about what you’re implying here. You are saying that private schools are identical in quality to public schools, with the only difference being that they only accept good students. You give no weight at all to the possibility that the school may be better. The logical conclusion from your thought process is that all schools and teachers are the same.

Why do some people find it so difficult to believe that a market-based system works for education? Regardless of the charity status of schools it should be evident to everyone that competition between schools for students is a net positive.

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By: rkillings http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-6041 Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:50:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/#comment-6041 I second Sam B.: charitable purpose is not a requirement for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status in the US. What is required is that the entity be “organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, or to foster national or international amateur sports competition …, or for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals, no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual, no substantial part of the activities of which is carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation …”.

An argument to deny private schools tax exemption in the US needs to advance some argument different from their not being charities or behaving like charities.

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By: Savage http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-6037 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:13:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/#comment-6037 In the USSA, we must pay large taxes to the public school system whether our kids go there or not. If I choose to send my kids to private school, I still support public education. If I need to for financial reasons, I’ll switch my kids from private to public, and get some of my money’s worth. But I’d rather not . . .

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By: The Rage http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-6035 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:00:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/#comment-6035 Vouchers should be abolished. Blacks should be forced into private schools so those private schools are abolished. They are the degenerating effect on “state schools”, whether nobody wants to admit it or not.

Private schools are a threat to America’s national security. They outright are pumping money out of the country, much like healthcare and defense.

Frauds they all are.

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By: James B. Shearer http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-6034 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:37:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/08/27/the-economics-of-private-schools/#comment-6034 An economic externality is a secondary or unintended consequence, full stop. The existence of generic private schools (i.e., Bronx included) worsens public schools as both a secondary and an unintended consequence. I don’t think you’re ever going to get closer to the dictionary denotation than this example. Ever. Honestly, what were you thinking here.

You are wrong. Economic externalities are costs or benefits that are not reflected in prices.

In the case of schools good kids benefit the other children in a class, bad kids harm the other children in a class. So in a mixed class the good kids are subsidizing the bad kids. This subsidy can be removed by putting the good kids and bad kids in separate classes. Or you can charge the bad kids higher tuition than the good kids. This is removing externalities not creating them.

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