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	<title>Comments on: The humbling of Robert Parker</title>
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		<title>By: RaScott</title>
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		<dc:creator>RaScott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was an eye opener to see how hard it was to tell cab, merlot and carmenere from each other at a blind tasting which included some people in the trade.

I always question numeric ratings because the point scores and price almost always go hand in hand.  My $13 zin was three times more popular than a $30 zin at a recent blind tasting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was an eye opener to see how hard it was to tell cab, merlot and carmenere from each other at a blind tasting which included some people in the trade.</p>
<p>I always question numeric ratings because the point scores and price almost always go hand in hand.  My $13 zin was three times more popular than a $30 zin at a recent blind tasting.</p>
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		<title>By: TheToothpick</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/10/02/the-humbling-of-robert-parker/comment-page-1/#comment-14106</link>
		<dc:creator>TheToothpick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parker creates a financial wave, just like any high-octane equity analyst. You can either choose to ride it, as investors do (including me), or you can ignore it. 

If you happen to like the wines he likes, he can also highlight some good things that remain at drinking, rather than investing, levels - I have done this too. Whether he can taste blind, or ride a unicycle, is immaterial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parker creates a financial wave, just like any high-octane equity analyst. You can either choose to ride it, as investors do (including me), or you can ignore it. </p>
<p>If you happen to like the wines he likes, he can also highlight some good things that remain at drinking, rather than investing, levels &#8211; I have done this too. Whether he can taste blind, or ride a unicycle, is immaterial.</p>
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		<title>By: austinbeeman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/10/02/the-humbling-of-robert-parker/comment-page-1/#comment-11917</link>
		<dc:creator>austinbeeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite quote on blind tasting comes from Importer Kermit Lynch.  &quot;Blind Tasting is to wine drinking what strip poker is to love.&quot;  In other words, it is a fun game, but totally misses the point.   

www.austinbeeman.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite quote on blind tasting comes from Importer Kermit Lynch.  &#8220;Blind Tasting is to wine drinking what strip poker is to love.&#8221;  In other words, it is a fun game, but totally misses the point.   </p>
<p><a href='http://www.austinbeeman.com'>http://www.austinbeeman.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Brito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos Brito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wine expertise is limited to knowing the best vintages of Charles Shaw and Boone&#039;s Farm.  I can however tell you with metaphysical certainty which Anheuser-Busch location crafted the bottle of Budweiser I am drinking before it is half way gone.  I am not as precise with cans and my ability with kegs has decrease exponentially since my youth.  Friendly tip:  Avoid the Houston beer brewed during the summer and stock up on the Syracuse beer crafted in the fall.  The Ft. Collins beer is good year round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wine expertise is limited to knowing the best vintages of Charles Shaw and Boone&#8217;s Farm.  I can however tell you with metaphysical certainty which Anheuser-Busch location crafted the bottle of Budweiser I am drinking before it is half way gone.  I am not as precise with cans and my ability with kegs has decrease exponentially since my youth.  Friendly tip:  Avoid the Houston beer brewed during the summer and stock up on the Syracuse beer crafted in the fall.  The Ft. Collins beer is good year round.</p>
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		<title>By: Mungo Bola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mungo Bola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any empirical data on how much wines vary from bottle to bottle?  I know I&#039;ve had some wines that were so-so the first time I had them, and great the second, or vice-versa (same label, same vintage, same store).  I&#039;ve always wondered whether that was a result of variability in how I tasted the wine, or variability in the bottles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any empirical data on how much wines vary from bottle to bottle?  I know I&#8217;ve had some wines that were so-so the first time I had them, and great the second, or vice-versa (same label, same vintage, same store).  I&#8217;ve always wondered whether that was a result of variability in how I tasted the wine, or variability in the bottles.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Arnold</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/10/02/the-humbling-of-robert-parker/comment-page-1/#comment-7543</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing Parker has actually taught us is that he&#039;s especially cavalier with his reputation. Any other critic, no matter how experienced, has as much potential to perform as poorly as Parker did at this particular tasting. They&#039;re all just smart enough not to put themselves in such a situation.

This is also why normal blind tastings for magazines or websites are designed so that the taster doesn&#039;t score erratically (re-tastings occur, wines of a certain region/variety/vintage are always grouped together). In other words, the very system itself is designed to protect the critic&#039;s reputation as much as--or even more than--serve the consumer. 

As much fun as it might be to attack Parker in this instance, consumers should know better than to bestow excessive trust and credibility upon wine critics. They&#039;ll only wind up disappointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing Parker has actually taught us is that he&#8217;s especially cavalier with his reputation. Any other critic, no matter how experienced, has as much potential to perform as poorly as Parker did at this particular tasting. They&#8217;re all just smart enough not to put themselves in such a situation.</p>
<p>This is also why normal blind tastings for magazines or websites are designed so that the taster doesn&#8217;t score erratically (re-tastings occur, wines of a certain region/variety/vintage are always grouped together). In other words, the very system itself is designed to protect the critic&#8217;s reputation as much as&#8211;or even more than&#8211;serve the consumer. </p>
<p>As much fun as it might be to attack Parker in this instance, consumers should know better than to bestow excessive trust and credibility upon wine critics. They&#8217;ll only wind up disappointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two points: 

The idea that there are 100 different discernible linear gradations of wine quality is ludicrous at best.  If you were trying for repeatability of ratings, especially between experts, you *might* manage 10.

The point of ratings is not to provide factual accuracy, but to give some pleasure to the reader, which is why he or she buys the magazine.  That the ratings aren&#039;t accurate (or more likely, can&#039;t be accurate) is irrelevant if the audience is pleased by seeing the numbers.  If finding, buying and consuming that 98 or 99 rated wine pleases the audience, why is it important if all the ratings above 90 are more or less random. 

After all, is it a crime that wrestling isn&#039;t real? Is the audience being ripped off?

In both cases, the audience is buying *for* the fantasy. If they&#039;re happy, then it&#039;s good for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two points: </p>
<p>The idea that there are 100 different discernible linear gradations of wine quality is ludicrous at best.  If you were trying for repeatability of ratings, especially between experts, you *might* manage 10.</p>
<p>The point of ratings is not to provide factual accuracy, but to give some pleasure to the reader, which is why he or she buys the magazine.  That the ratings aren&#8217;t accurate (or more likely, can&#8217;t be accurate) is irrelevant if the audience is pleased by seeing the numbers.  If finding, buying and consuming that 98 or 99 rated wine pleases the audience, why is it important if all the ratings above 90 are more or less random. </p>
<p>After all, is it a crime that wrestling isn&#8217;t real? Is the audience being ripped off?</p>
<p>In both cases, the audience is buying *for* the fantasy. If they&#8217;re happy, then it&#8217;s good for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Tish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/10/02/the-humbling-of-robert-parker/comment-page-1/#comment-7536</link>
		<dc:creator>Tish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not the first time that a blind tasting has gone &quot;FAIL&quot; - and it won&#039;t be the last. SUch is human nature. What differs here is that the main failing is the proverbial infallible one, who has in the past claimed a near photographic palate memory of wines he has tasted, particulalry within his area of expertise (BDX). 

The reverberations of this event will, I think, be different within and beyond wine circles. Within, most people who actually understand how wine criticism works will not be especially shocked; and they will continue to follow whatever system they do. 

Outside wine-geeky circles, this will serve as a wake-up call to the fact that numbers are not only hopelessly imprecise and irreplicable. Robert Parker&#039;s &quot;FAIL&quot; will help draw attention to eh failure of numbers in general, as well as the hideous practice of retailers and marketers plucking numbers and flaunting them as if they are in any way definitive. In nearly every instance that a wine rating is foisted upon the world, the number itself represent no more or less than one man&#039;s preference based on one set of wines on one day -- and arrived at without a crumb of food. 

Wine criticism, involving not only ranking but also description and guidance for usage in context, will always be a welcome aspect of the Wine Life. But the proliferation and abuse of singular numbers is absurd. Let&#039;s hope that the future of wine criticism and marketing alike come back to earth from the senseless 90-point stratosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not the first time that a blind tasting has gone &#8220;FAIL&#8221; &#8211; and it won&#8217;t be the last. SUch is human nature. What differs here is that the main failing is the proverbial infallible one, who has in the past claimed a near photographic palate memory of wines he has tasted, particulalry within his area of expertise (BDX). </p>
<p>The reverberations of this event will, I think, be different within and beyond wine circles. Within, most people who actually understand how wine criticism works will not be especially shocked; and they will continue to follow whatever system they do. </p>
<p>Outside wine-geeky circles, this will serve as a wake-up call to the fact that numbers are not only hopelessly imprecise and irreplicable. Robert Parker&#8217;s &#8220;FAIL&#8221; will help draw attention to eh failure of numbers in general, as well as the hideous practice of retailers and marketers plucking numbers and flaunting them as if they are in any way definitive. In nearly every instance that a wine rating is foisted upon the world, the number itself represent no more or less than one man&#8217;s preference based on one set of wines on one day &#8212; and arrived at without a crumb of food. </p>
<p>Wine criticism, involving not only ranking but also description and guidance for usage in context, will always be a welcome aspect of the Wine Life. But the proliferation and abuse of singular numbers is absurd. Let&#8217;s hope that the future of wine criticism and marketing alike come back to earth from the senseless 90-point stratosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What wine needs is a little pill you take before drinking that conjures in your mind the ambience and mood which imparts a significant part of taste. Not a pill that turns dreck into gold but one an enhancer that mirrors the findings of behavioral econ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What wine needs is a little pill you take before drinking that conjures in your mind the ambience and mood which imparts a significant part of taste. Not a pill that turns dreck into gold but one an enhancer that mirrors the findings of behavioral econ.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix,

Thank you for quoting my remarks accurately and at such length. 

I have read Dr. Vino&#039;s report of the Bordeaux tasting, and while it must have been humbling for Mr. Parker not to have guessed a single chateau correctly, this (alas not uncommon) outcome does not in my mind invalidate blind tasting. 

WoofWoof&#039;s comment is apt. All the wines in this Bordeaux tasting were originally rated at 95 points or higher. That fact was known in this tasting. I would be more interested in the results of a second blind tasting if the original scores were not known, and were more heterogeneous. Would all the ratings again fall into the same score bands? And would the tasting notes be consistent? That to me would suggest a &quot;good judge.&quot; 

Or say the original scores were given non-blind, while the subsequent tasting was blind. A &quot;good judge&quot; would give consistent ratings and tasting notes. Any significant inconsistencies between the two might be attributed to the externalities blind tasting eliminates (and might cast doubt on the quality of the judge).

Since neither case applied, the tasting Dr. Vino describes does not seem to be a good test of the validity of blind tasting. I will say, however, that if the tasting notes Dr. Vino supplied in his report were written before the wines were disclosed, then based simply on his descriptions, I would consider him a &quot;good judge&quot; of young Bordeaux.

Thomas Matthews
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix,</p>
<p>Thank you for quoting my remarks accurately and at such length. </p>
<p>I have read Dr. Vino&#8217;s report of the Bordeaux tasting, and while it must have been humbling for Mr. Parker not to have guessed a single chateau correctly, this (alas not uncommon) outcome does not in my mind invalidate blind tasting. </p>
<p>WoofWoof&#8217;s comment is apt. All the wines in this Bordeaux tasting were originally rated at 95 points or higher. That fact was known in this tasting. I would be more interested in the results of a second blind tasting if the original scores were not known, and were more heterogeneous. Would all the ratings again fall into the same score bands? And would the tasting notes be consistent? That to me would suggest a &#8220;good judge.&#8221; </p>
<p>Or say the original scores were given non-blind, while the subsequent tasting was blind. A &#8220;good judge&#8221; would give consistent ratings and tasting notes. Any significant inconsistencies between the two might be attributed to the externalities blind tasting eliminates (and might cast doubt on the quality of the judge).</p>
<p>Since neither case applied, the tasting Dr. Vino describes does not seem to be a good test of the validity of blind tasting. I will say, however, that if the tasting notes Dr. Vino supplied in his report were written before the wines were disclosed, then based simply on his descriptions, I would consider him a &#8220;good judge&#8221; of young Bordeaux.</p>
<p>Thomas Matthews<br />
Executive editor<br />
Wine Spectator</p>
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		<title>By: WoofWoof</title>
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		<dc:creator>WoofWoof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No general wine critic can really identify the vintage of a wine, that&#039;s pure myth.  And the fact that a wine might be a 98 one day and a 97 the next is something Parker is completely open about,though admittedly a lot of readers treat his ratings like a baseball score.  Felix is completely misunderstanding the event if he thinks differently.

What I really want to see in these blind tastings is whether he would fail to identify an 89-rated wine against a bunch of 98-rated wines.  That&#039;s the thing that would really show these magazines to be worthless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No general wine critic can really identify the vintage of a wine, that&#8217;s pure myth.  And the fact that a wine might be a 98 one day and a 97 the next is something Parker is completely open about,though admittedly a lot of readers treat his ratings like a baseball score.  Felix is completely misunderstanding the event if he thinks differently.</p>
<p>What I really want to see in these blind tastings is whether he would fail to identify an 89-rated wine against a bunch of 98-rated wines.  That&#8217;s the thing that would really show these magazines to be worthless.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 04:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently tasted a Molly Dooker  that I didn&#039;t care for. Funny thing is that I loved this wine in June when I knew what I was drinking.  I guess Parker and I are in the same boat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently tasted a Molly Dooker  that I didn&#8217;t care for. Funny thing is that I loved this wine in June when I knew what I was drinking.  I guess Parker and I are in the same boat.</p>
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		<title>By: maynardGkeynes</title>
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		<dc:creator>maynardGkeynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 04:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel Posner: Parker does not claim that all of his tastings are done blind, and says this specifically in print and online. You know this. Obviously, it&#039;s impossible to do so when he is tasting at wineries sur place, which he often does. If you want to trash the guy, at least get your facts straight.  I would add that anyone who has blind-tasted a bunch of young Bordeaux of cru classe Bordeaux from a great vintage knows that trying to nail particular chateau is a fool&#039;s errand. You have wines made with same techniques, from the same grapes, from great vineyards that may be yards apart. It would be a surprise if were NOT almost impossible to do. Guessing the wine may not be meaningful, but it&#039;s fun to do, which is why Parker does it. Frankly, I commend him for that, knowing that he will have to take flak from people who should know better. I&#039;m willing to excuse Felix, who at least gets things right in his areas of expertise, which unfortunately, do not as yet include wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daniel Posner: Parker does not claim that all of his tastings are done blind, and says this specifically in print and online. You know this. Obviously, it&#8217;s impossible to do so when he is tasting at wineries sur place, which he often does. If you want to trash the guy, at least get your facts straight.  I would add that anyone who has blind-tasted a bunch of young Bordeaux of cru classe Bordeaux from a great vintage knows that trying to nail particular chateau is a fool&#8217;s errand. You have wines made with same techniques, from the same grapes, from great vineyards that may be yards apart. It would be a surprise if were NOT almost impossible to do. Guessing the wine may not be meaningful, but it&#8217;s fun to do, which is why Parker does it. Frankly, I commend him for that, knowing that he will have to take flak from people who should know better. I&#8217;m willing to excuse Felix, who at least gets things right in his areas of expertise, which unfortunately, do not as yet include wine.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be curious to see the &quot;empirical data&quot; that Tom Matthews thinks prove the &quot;consistency of judgment&quot; of Wine Spectator&#039;s critics. I suspect the empirical data would show otherwise. One example I remember being discussed was 1997 California cabernets; all of the top wines as rated by WS&#039;s James Laube on release scored substantially lower in his retrospective tasting a decade later, and his top wine a decade later had not been rated especially highly in his original tasting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be curious to see the &#8220;empirical data&#8221; that Tom Matthews thinks prove the &#8220;consistency of judgment&#8221; of Wine Spectator&#8217;s critics. I suspect the empirical data would show otherwise. One example I remember being discussed was 1997 California cabernets; all of the top wines as rated by WS&#8217;s James Laube on release scored substantially lower in his retrospective tasting a decade later, and his top wine a decade later had not been rated especially highly in his original tasting.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Posner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over time, we have seen that Parker is just not good at blind tasting. That does not make him a bad critic, but he should stop the claim that the Wine Advocate tastes wine blindly, because, asit has been shown each time he does an EWS event, he is just not good at blind tasting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over time, we have seen that Parker is just not good at blind tasting. That does not make him a bad critic, but he should stop the claim that the Wine Advocate tastes wine blindly, because, asit has been shown each time he does an EWS event, he is just not good at blind tasting.</p>
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