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	<title>Comments on: Is unemployment only 9.5%?</title>
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	<description>A slice of lime in the soda</description>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/11/10/is-unemployment-only-95/comment-page-1/#comment-8665</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure seems a lot worse than what it is. Even those with jobs are paying more for groceries, fuel, health insurance, taxes, tuition, etc. And many employed are part-timers with no benefits at all, so they&#039;re struggling too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure seems a lot worse than what it is. Even those with jobs are paying more for groceries, fuel, health insurance, taxes, tuition, etc. And many employed are part-timers with no benefits at all, so they&#8217;re struggling too.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix, this is pretty horribly ignorant stuff.  From Norris:

&quot;For some reason, October is the month with the largest seasonal adjustment down in jobs&quot;

oooh wonder why?  Perhaps it could be that October is the month in which a new year&#039;s graduate intake enters the workforce??  And so if only 80,000 jobs were added, this implies that a substantial proportion of that graduate intake did not actually find a job and remains on the unemployment rolls?

&quot;there is no way I can think of to test whether the seasonal adjustments are reliable&quot;

of course! no way at all!  because these numbers are just made up out of thin air by the BLS, perhaps by throwing darts at a board!  Seasonal adjustment is just some sort of funny Freakonomics stuff with no basis in statistical fact!

Every single recession brings with it a late autumn crop of people who have discovered seasonal adjustment for the first time and use the autumn seasonals to claim that &quot;really&quot; things are going better.  It is followed by the apring/summer crew of permabears using the positive seasonals to claim that the government is covering up how bad things really are.  The one follows the other with a regularity which is, well, seasonal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix, this is pretty horribly ignorant stuff.  From Norris:</p>
<p>&#8220;For some reason, October is the month with the largest seasonal adjustment down in jobs&#8221;</p>
<p>oooh wonder why?  Perhaps it could be that October is the month in which a new year&#8217;s graduate intake enters the workforce??  And so if only 80,000 jobs were added, this implies that a substantial proportion of that graduate intake did not actually find a job and remains on the unemployment rolls?</p>
<p>&#8220;there is no way I can think of to test whether the seasonal adjustments are reliable&#8221;</p>
<p>of course! no way at all!  because these numbers are just made up out of thin air by the BLS, perhaps by throwing darts at a board!  Seasonal adjustment is just some sort of funny Freakonomics stuff with no basis in statistical fact!</p>
<p>Every single recession brings with it a late autumn crop of people who have discovered seasonal adjustment for the first time and use the autumn seasonals to claim that &#8220;really&#8221; things are going better.  It is followed by the apring/summer crew of permabears using the positive seasonals to claim that the government is covering up how bad things really are.  The one follows the other with a regularity which is, well, seasonal.</p>
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		<title>By: KenG</title>
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		<dc:creator>KenG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is LazyFelixDoesIt Again Ben Stein?</description>
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		<title>By: Lazy Felix Does It Again...</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/11/10/is-unemployment-only-95/comment-page-1/#comment-8573</link>
		<dc:creator>Lazy Felix Does It Again...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, so contrary Felix!  How astute of you to regurgitate day-old Norris and pretend it is telling us something new.

Calculated Risk at least provided some new perspective on the issue when it commented on the not-very-helpful musings by Norris.  What did we get from the Felix the Fisherman?  Nothing but by-catch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, so contrary Felix!  How astute of you to regurgitate day-old Norris and pretend it is telling us something new.</p>
<p>Calculated Risk at least provided some new perspective on the issue when it commented on the not-very-helpful musings by Norris.  What did we get from the Felix the Fisherman?  Nothing but by-catch.</p>
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