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	<title>Comments on: Dubai&#8217;s disabused creditors</title>
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	<description>A slice of lime in the soda</description>
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		<title>By: Ken Houghton</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/11/27/dubais-disabused-creditors/comment-page-1/#comment-9307</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Houghton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem with Roubini&#039;s &quot;W&quot; is the assumption of the fourth leg.As Dr. Black noted, if I&#039;m paying an interest rate that assumes a large chance of default, my willingness to default on that loan sooner than other financing should be assumed.  (Brad DeLong keeps trying to argue against this; it&#039;s roughly equivalent to Eugene Fama arguing that his EMH is not to blame for all of the structures that have been built on it [see P. Triana in the FT.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem with Roubini&#8217;s &#8220;W&#8221; is the assumption of the fourth leg.As Dr. Black noted, if I&#8217;m paying an interest rate that assumes a large chance of default, my willingness to default on that loan sooner than other financing should be assumed.  (Brad DeLong keeps trying to argue against this; it&#8217;s roughly equivalent to Eugene Fama arguing that his EMH is not to blame for all of the structures that have been built on it [see P. Triana in the FT.)</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/11/27/dubais-disabused-creditors/comment-page-1/#comment-9306</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>remember the days you say Ecuador idiot default hahahha</description>
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		<title>By: John McLeod</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/11/27/dubais-disabused-creditors/comment-page-1/#comment-9280</link>
		<dc:creator>John McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we&#039;ve got an LSE biggie telling us that &quot;Property companies don’t fall into the systemically important category.&quot;Sorry, but I&#039;m getting flashbacks to March &#039;07 when Susan Bies was running around describing the subprime market as a splinter off a sliver of a generally sound RE world.  Looks like Nouriel&#039;s gonna get that 3rd stroke of his &quot;W&quot; for Xmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we&#8217;ve got an LSE biggie telling us that &#8220;Property companies don’t fall into the systemically important category.&#8221;Sorry, but I&#8217;m getting flashbacks to March &#8217;07 when Susan Bies was running around describing the subprime market as a splinter off a sliver of a generally sound RE world.  Looks like Nouriel&#8217;s gonna get that 3rd stroke of his &#8220;W&#8221; for Xmas.</p>
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		<title>By: tas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/11/27/dubais-disabused-creditors/comment-page-1/#comment-9278</link>
		<dc:creator>tas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this the company the Bush Adm. wanted to let take over a number of ports here in the U.S.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this the company the Bush Adm. wanted to let take over a number of ports here in the U.S.?</p>
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		<title>By: Guambat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/11/27/dubais-disabused-creditors/comment-page-1/#comment-9267</link>
		<dc:creator>Guambat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But they felt sure the emirate would make good on publicly traded instruments&quot;&quot;If Dubai World’s bondholders really took solace in the fact that they held bonds rather than loans, they thoroughly deserve a large hit in the wallet.&quot;Perhaps the issue is neither bond nor loan (debt), but sukuk (equity), all three &quot;publicly traded instruments&quot;.  But no one knows how sukuk would be handled by a default, especially bankruptcy.  And THEN things begin to spill over into debt issues as the ripple effect takes hold.http://guambatstew.blogspot.com/2009/11/on-inconvenience-of-principal.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But they felt sure the emirate would make good on publicly traded instruments&#8221;"If Dubai World’s bondholders really took solace in the fact that they held bonds rather than loans, they thoroughly deserve a large hit in the wallet.&#8221;Perhaps the issue is neither bond nor loan (debt), but sukuk (equity), all three &#8220;publicly traded instruments&#8221;.  But no one knows how sukuk would be handled by a default, especially bankruptcy.  And THEN things begin to spill over into debt issues as the ripple effect takes hold.<a href='http://guambatstew.blogspot.com/2009/11/on-inconvenience-of-principal.html'>http://guambatstew.blogspot.com/200 9/11/on-inconvenience-of-principal.html</a></p>
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