Comments on: What drives house prices? http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: csodak http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-10807 Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:45:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/#comment-10807 The question remains: where is our country placing the sources of its investment funds whether acquiered through domestic savings or capital inflows? It seems that no one knows.

In the recent past investment funds have been used to make certaint that AIG insurance policies are honored, that overvalued housing is refinanced, that insolvent banks have no cost of funds to speculate with while regulators allow them to neglect the deteriation of their assets class and that automobile inventories are depleted. Todays corporations are cash rich but R&D idea poor.

Tell me where our countries sources of funds are currently being invested that will result in future productivity? Not service sector productivity ie finance, real estate etc. but FUTURE productivity.

Before our access to capital runs out our country would be well served to determine where to invest in order to assure future productivity or we well may see a flock of black swans.

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By: IlyaSerov http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-10768 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:30:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/#comment-10768 Well, one has to de-assemble this a little bit. The current account deficit is in principle the difference between the national savings rate and the rate of investment. It goes up or down whenever the gap between the two changes through either a fall in savings or a rise in investment and vice versa. A persistent deficit is not necessarily indicative of a problem, it may simply indicate an abundance of investment opportunities. Australia, for example, has been running a deficit (and a large immigration program, which is related) for decades now.

Problmes arise when there is an unusual rise in the deficit for no good reason, indicating hot money flowing in. Carmen Reinhart and Graciella Kaminsky have done some good works on this. Some of the money went into the housing market with the all conseqeunt problems.

Currently, as Felix’s other post indicates the US national savings rate has collapsed. not sure what’s happening on the investment side but one would have to assume that the danger is not a gradual unwind due to a readjustment of the savings v. investment equation but a sudden collapse as per cynic’s comment. Then there is a big problem I think. But that takes a collapse in investor cofidence and so we are back to what should be teh starting point: fixing US’s fiscal position in the long-term.

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By: loph4t http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-10765 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:42:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/#comment-10765 Greenspan noticed the correlation awhile ago! http://www.federalreserve.gov/boardDocs/ speeches/2005/20050204/default.htm – “Interestingly, the change in U.S. home mortgage debt over the past half-century correlates significantly with our current account deficit.” :P

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By: rickstersherpa http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-10749 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:59:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/#comment-10749 Well, it depends how far they fall now. Housing prices are still historically high when compared to rents and when measured by the home price to median income ratio. But with the shadow inventory, falling rents, and declining median income they seem likely to start falling again in the near future. So an eventual contraction of the current account deficit might present a chicken and egg syndrome: which came first, a double dip recession leads to a further fall in the dollar, a decline once again in imports, and severe problems for the remaining banks balance sheets, or a renewed contraction of the current account deficit.

There still seems quite a bit of denial in Ben Bernanke’s speech, denial he seems to share with Larry Summers and Tim Geithner about what happen the last 10 years. Perhaps because they were such central players in creating the circumstances that led this Minsky moment, they still seem to think of it as primarily a liquidity problem, not a solvency problem and that if they can partially (just partially!!) reinflate the bubble all will be well and self-sustaining growth will return. This policy of extend and pretend probably will not go on indefinitely. Credit and M3 apparently started contracting in August, Fiscal stimulus will pretty well fade by the end of the 2 qtr 2010, and the FED intends to end QE by March. This will not end well.

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By: csodak http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-10743 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:35:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/#comment-10743 Perhaps we should look at this issue a bit differently. Would the slope of the demand curve on housing be more gradual over a longer period of time ie closer to 0 than 1 if the only option for financing homes was 30 year traditional financing?

The attraction of capital inflows WAS NOT a catalyst to the housing boom but instead HOW we attracted the capital was our demise. Low interest rates on the short end matched against a long term funding need is a fools paradise. Bernanke still doesn’t seem to understand that the FED, in allowing short term instruments to finance long term housing purchases lead to this disaster. It corrupted the bankers, the mortgage industry and many home purchasers.

What if this country actual offered foreign investors the option to invest in plant and equipment that
provided a respectable return over it’s cash flow generating depreciable lifespan? Would that not also increase capital inflows allowing for industry to expand, to expand hiring, to provide current workers security and a more moderated but SUSTAINABLE consumer consumption expansion.

This isn’t rocket science…it’s economics.

Honestly, no wonder our citizens believe that the adminstrators of our countries leading institutions are still suffering from ‘Greenspanspeak’.

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By: Cynic http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-10741 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:02:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/#comment-10741 Felix:

Doesn’t that depend on *how* the current-account deficit comes to an end? The graph you include shows very clearly that property values grow far faster when a country is awash in foreign funds seeking assets. But it’s not the strongest correlation I’ve ever seen; there are clearly a host of confounding variables. And there’s no reason why rapid appreciation must necessarily produce equally rapid deflation.

Consider, if you will, some scenarios. If our current-account deficit were to come to an end abruptly and painfully – for example, if we ran out of purchasers for our debt, or the dollar ceased to be the primary reserve currency – one would expect a second crash in values. If, on the other hand, our economy were to come roaring back from the Great Recession with far faster growth than most of our trading partners, and rapid growth in high-value exports were to sharply narrow the current-account deficit, I’d be shocked to see rapid depreciation in real estate or other fixed assets. After all, incomes would be up. We’d just be replacing foreign cash with the homegrown variety. Or, to pose another set of matched scenarios, a country whose current-account deficit soars because of growth in imports is more likely to experience an asset bubble than one witnessing the rapid decline of exports.

So what matters most is not the change in current account alone, but the reasons for that change.

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By: mjturner http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-10739 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:26:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/04/what-drives-house-prices/#comment-10739 Could the causation be the other way – high house prices lead to greater consumer borrowing and spending on imports?

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