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	<title>Comments on: Why Apple shouldn&#8217;t pay a dividend</title>
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		<title>By: Pegford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pegford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A stock split would be nice. It would make purchasing a small number of shares of stock more affordable to young people who are graduating from college, getting jobs and setting up a 401Ks. They are a new generation of investors who long ago &quot;bought into&quot; the product by  spending their allowances on - or asking for gifts of - iPods and  iTunes, then MacBooks and iPhones. 

..... and it would  reward those of us &quot;oldies&#039; who kept the faith through the years, both in adopting the Mac brand and staying with it, despite the ridicule of friends and colleagues... (Ha!) and  purchasing and holding stock for many years. A client I have worked with for 10 years used to tease me about being &quot;a Mac person.&quot; Two years ago, he bought an iPhone and said he&#039;d never go back..... when the family&#039;s PC died earlier this year, he bought his son the promised Desktop Mac. and learned that Apple&#039;s &quot;plug and play&quot; slogan really means what it says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A stock split would be nice. It would make purchasing a small number of shares of stock more affordable to young people who are graduating from college, getting jobs and setting up a 401Ks. They are a new generation of investors who long ago &#8220;bought into&#8221; the product by  spending their allowances on &#8211; or asking for gifts of &#8211; iPods and  iTunes, then MacBooks and iPhones. </p>
<p>&#8230;.. and it would  reward those of us &#8220;oldies&#8217; who kept the faith through the years, both in adopting the Mac brand and staying with it, despite the ridicule of friends and colleagues&#8230; (Ha!) and  purchasing and holding stock for many years. A client I have worked with for 10 years used to tease me about being &#8220;a Mac person.&#8221; Two years ago, he bought an iPhone and said he&#8217;d never go back&#8230;.. when the family&#8217;s PC died earlier this year, he bought his son the promised Desktop Mac. and learned that Apple&#8217;s &#8220;plug and play&#8221; slogan really means what it says.</p>
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		<title>By: nedofbaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>nedofbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t sound like Brett Arends has made any effort to understand the new tech of blogs and RSS readers.

Nevertheless, his comments on Apple don&#039;t warrant this hyperbole.  It&#039;s completely valid to question Apple&#039;s cash stockpile.  And as for a cash-financed company borrowing to finance a dividend, that is exactly what Intel did in June, during perhaps its strongest year on record.  Hardly a desperate move by a company on its last legs:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&amp;sid=aPUbuCtDlPpQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t sound like Brett Arends has made any effort to understand the new tech of blogs and RSS readers.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, his comments on Apple don&#8217;t warrant this hyperbole.  It&#8217;s completely valid to question Apple&#8217;s cash stockpile.  And as for a cash-financed company borrowing to finance a dividend, that is exactly what Intel did in June, during perhaps its strongest year on record.  Hardly a desperate move by a company on its last legs:</p>
<p><a href='http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&#038;sid=aPUbuCtDlPpQ'>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2 0601103&#038;sid=aPUbuCtDlPpQ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Felix Salmon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/11/why-apple-shouldnt-pay-a-dividend/comment-page-1/#comment-11063</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix Salmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, because Apple stock is higher now than it&#039;s ever been in the past?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, because Apple stock is higher now than it&#8217;s ever been in the past?</p>
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		<title>By: Philon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/11/why-apple-shouldnt-pay-a-dividend/comment-page-1/#comment-11061</link>
		<dc:creator>Philon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you know this is the &quot;top of the market&quot; for Apple stock?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you know this is the &#8220;top of the market&#8221; for Apple stock?</p>
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		<title>By: Langstraat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/11/why-apple-shouldnt-pay-a-dividend/comment-page-1/#comment-11045</link>
		<dc:creator>Langstraat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have Apple shares, when all around has collasped and fortunes and aspirations dashed they have come through the bad times. At $200+ I&#039;d like to see another &#039;split&#039;. If I can&#039;t receive a dividend I can spend on new apple products at least give me the satisfaction of doubling my investment albeit if only in numbers of shares and the option to sell some and update my Apple kit.
Next to Steve I&#039;m the best marketing tool they have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have Apple shares, when all around has collasped and fortunes and aspirations dashed they have come through the bad times. At $200+ I&#8217;d like to see another &#8216;split&#8217;. If I can&#8217;t receive a dividend I can spend on new apple products at least give me the satisfaction of doubling my investment albeit if only in numbers of shares and the option to sell some and update my Apple kit.<br />
Next to Steve I&#8217;m the best marketing tool they have.</p>
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		<title>By: DanHess</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanHess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You tell&#039;im, Felix!

Apple has been pinned to the ground at several times in its history and each time it has roared back stronger than ever, after pouring its own cash at hand into new technologies.

From Dec 2000 until Dec 2003, eons by stock-trading standards, Apple bounced around $10 per present share, and as little as $6, held afloat only by the cash on its books. Attention Deficit Disorder-riddled investors wouldn&#039;t have thought twice about tossing one of the greatest and most innovative corporations history has produced into the bankruptcy dustheap, if it weren&#039;t for that pesky pile on the balance sheet.

What&#039;s more, it is a shame Arends views writing as a disease!  Can any human drive that is not foremost about money possibly be healthy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You tell&#8217;im, Felix!</p>
<p>Apple has been pinned to the ground at several times in its history and each time it has roared back stronger than ever, after pouring its own cash at hand into new technologies.</p>
<p>From Dec 2000 until Dec 2003, eons by stock-trading standards, Apple bounced around $10 per present share, and as little as $6, held afloat only by the cash on its books. Attention Deficit Disorder-riddled investors wouldn&#8217;t have thought twice about tossing one of the greatest and most innovative corporations history has produced into the bankruptcy dustheap, if it weren&#8217;t for that pesky pile on the balance sheet.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, it is a shame Arends views writing as a disease!  Can any human drive that is not foremost about money possibly be healthy?</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle_Billy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/11/why-apple-shouldnt-pay-a-dividend/comment-page-1/#comment-11042</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle_Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and he&#039;s probably a lousy cook to boot.  Ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and he&#8217;s probably a lousy cook to boot.  Ha!</p>
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		<title>By: maynardGkeynes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/01/11/why-apple-shouldnt-pay-a-dividend/comment-page-1/#comment-11041</link>
		<dc:creator>maynardGkeynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to 7:28: &quot;what Microsoft has done.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction to 7:28: &#8220;what Microsoft has done.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: maynardGkeynes</title>
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		<dc:creator>maynardGkeynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Apple should do what Microsoft done. Instead of paying out dividends, use its cash hoard to develop products that are worse than the previous one, like Vista. That way its shareholders won&#039;t have to pay that awful 15% tax on dividends. Instead, shareholders can see their dividends wasted as they disappear into the pockets of a bloated, inefficient, overpaid bureaucracy that makes increasingly bad products.  Admittedly, Apple has escaped this winners curse so far thanks to the singular vision of Steve Jobs. Let us hope, for many reasons, personal and financial, that his health remains good. Otherwise, Apple can follow the example of most growth companies, which will live and die without ever having paid their long term shareholders a penny. The management, and the employees, however, will have lived well in the meantime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Apple should do what Microsoft done. Instead of paying out dividends, use its cash hoard to develop products that are worse than the previous one, like Vista. That way its shareholders won&#8217;t have to pay that awful 15% tax on dividends. Instead, shareholders can see their dividends wasted as they disappear into the pockets of a bloated, inefficient, overpaid bureaucracy that makes increasingly bad products.  Admittedly, Apple has escaped this winners curse so far thanks to the singular vision of Steve Jobs. Let us hope, for many reasons, personal and financial, that his health remains good. Otherwise, Apple can follow the example of most growth companies, which will live and die without ever having paid their long term shareholders a penny. The management, and the employees, however, will have lived well in the meantime.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiljoy616</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiljoy616</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its good Apple Inc. does not play with all the other looser companies we see now a days.

I for one own shares of Apple Inc. but in small quantity but knowing that I can sell my shares now for 3 times my purchase gives me a nice warm feeling. 

I like that apple tend to bring out great products that just work.

For Apple Inc. at this time start pushing out the door dividends for no reason and then have to borrow money from banks sound more of a wish for some for Apple to fold.

As a shareholder I at no time have cared about the dividends as I have about stock prices and company performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its good Apple Inc. does not play with all the other looser companies we see now a days.</p>
<p>I for one own shares of Apple Inc. but in small quantity but knowing that I can sell my shares now for 3 times my purchase gives me a nice warm feeling. </p>
<p>I like that apple tend to bring out great products that just work.</p>
<p>For Apple Inc. at this time start pushing out the door dividends for no reason and then have to borrow money from banks sound more of a wish for some for Apple to fold.</p>
<p>As a shareholder I at no time have cared about the dividends as I have about stock prices and company performance.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonymousChef</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnonymousChef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VM and Tiny Tim - thanks. 

&quot;Not paying dividends now because we have better uses for the money&quot; makes a lot of sense. I was envisioning a company that had no intention to pay dividends in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VM and Tiny Tim &#8211; thanks. </p>
<p>&#8220;Not paying dividends now because we have better uses for the money&#8221; makes a lot of sense. I was envisioning a company that had no intention to pay dividends in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian_Kemmish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian_Kemmish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would Apple &quot;spend 2000 to 2005&quot; porting MacOS X to run on Intel CPUs, when NextStep already ran on Intel CPUs in 1993 (I used it), and Rhapsody ran on Intel CPUs in 1997 (I saw it at Cupertino).  Which of the peripheral parts of MacOS X that weren&#039;t in these predecessors does Mr Salmon specifically believe were originally written after 1996 to not be architecture neutral?  (Be careful whose programming competence you insult, Mr Salmon!)  And how does he believe porting them could be made to fill five whole years?

And, if one believes that paying a dividend is &quot;equivalent to&quot; share buybacks, why immediately go on to claim that, unlike dividends, share buybacks are a poor strategy if a company&#039;s share price is high?  Either two things are equivalent or they are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would Apple &#8220;spend 2000 to 2005&#8243; porting MacOS X to run on Intel CPUs, when NextStep already ran on Intel CPUs in 1993 (I used it), and Rhapsody ran on Intel CPUs in 1997 (I saw it at Cupertino).  Which of the peripheral parts of MacOS X that weren&#8217;t in these predecessors does Mr Salmon specifically believe were originally written after 1996 to not be architecture neutral?  (Be careful whose programming competence you insult, Mr Salmon!)  And how does he believe porting them could be made to fill five whole years?</p>
<p>And, if one believes that paying a dividend is &#8220;equivalent to&#8221; share buybacks, why immediately go on to claim that, unlike dividends, share buybacks are a poor strategy if a company&#8217;s share price is high?  Either two things are equivalent or they are not.</p>
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		<title>By: MattF</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a question of what kind of risk investors want to take. Apple, up to this point, has repeatedly taken technical and strategic risks-- the iPhone, the Apple Store, OS X, the switch to Intel CPUs, and so forth. The risk that investors took in buying Apple stock was the possibility that that these ventures would fail. But they succeeded, so the daring investors reaped a significant profit.

It&#039;s the investor&#039;s choice in a free market-- you&#039;re free to buy shares in a company that offer a comfortable dividend... or you can take a risk with one that doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a question of what kind of risk investors want to take. Apple, up to this point, has repeatedly taken technical and strategic risks&#8211; the iPhone, the Apple Store, OS X, the switch to Intel CPUs, and so forth. The risk that investors took in buying Apple stock was the possibility that that these ventures would fail. But they succeeded, so the daring investors reaped a significant profit.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the investor&#8217;s choice in a free market&#8211; you&#8217;re free to buy shares in a company that offer a comfortable dividend&#8230; or you can take a risk with one that doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: vm5</title>
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		<dc:creator>vm5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like TinyTim said, growth stocks typically pay no dividend, the reasoning being that the company can use the capital to expand and benefit the stockholders through expanded earning that sometime in the future will be paid out as dividends.

Microsoft is another example  of a transition from high-growth no-dividend to steady earning dividend-payer (although they still have enormous piles of cash and the dividend is none too large).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like TinyTim said, growth stocks typically pay no dividend, the reasoning being that the company can use the capital to expand and benefit the stockholders through expanded earning that sometime in the future will be paid out as dividends.</p>
<p>Microsoft is another example  of a transition from high-growth no-dividend to steady earning dividend-payer (although they still have enormous piles of cash and the dividend is none too large).</p>
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		<title>By: TinyTim1</title>
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		<dc:creator>TinyTim1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheffy, hardly any fast growing tech companies pay a dividend.
There is a common (and blunt) delineation between growth investments (no dividend) vs. income investments (dividends).

Some companies try to change camp e.g. Ryanair and Freenet, but it is often painful/volatile as you change much of the investor base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheffy, hardly any fast growing tech companies pay a dividend.<br />
There is a common (and blunt) delineation between growth investments (no dividend) vs. income investments (dividends).</p>
<p>Some companies try to change camp e.g. Ryanair and Freenet, but it is often painful/volatile as you change much of the investor base.</p>
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