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		<title>By: jonhendry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12269</link>
		<dc:creator>jonhendry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For context, the list price of the hardcover is $30. BN.com has an &#039;online price&#039; of $24, but &#039;members&#039; pay $21.60, and at the moment non-members can get the member price.

Borders&#039; website has it at list price ($30).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For context, the list price of the hardcover is $30. BN.com has an &#8216;online price&#8217; of $24, but &#8216;members&#8217; pay $21.60, and at the moment non-members can get the member price.</p>
<p>Borders&#8217; website has it at list price ($30).</p>
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		<title>By: Gkiely</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12264</link>
		<dc:creator>Gkiely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pricing issues here is being completely mis-stated. To start with, Palgrave has priced the e-book at the same price as the hardcover. This is a very common strategy and has nothing to do with Amazon&#039;s dispute with Macmillan and Macmillan&#039;s change in pricing. That change in prices has not yet occurred. The reality is that Amazon still decides what price to put on the books in the Kindle Store. If you look at all of Palgrave&#039;s 1600+ titles in the Kindle Store, the prices range from $1.15 for a bio of John McCain to $200.00 for a book on &quot;Climate Trading&quot;. I didn&#039;t scroll through them all, but I would guess that more than half the books are not being sold for $9.99 or less and Amazon has the right to put any price they want on the book. Palgrave will be paid a percentage (roughly half) of the $30.00 list price no matter what the Amazon price is. Amazon can choose to lose all the money they get from the customer or they can choose to put a $16.50 price on it and make a little money on the sale. This is not dictated by Palgrave. This book is not yet available so it&#039;s also possible (likely) that Amazon will change the price as it becomes available. It&#039;s their call. Part of the Macmillan dispute is that Macmillan is seeking to take the pricing power out of Amazon&#039;s hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pricing issues here is being completely mis-stated. To start with, Palgrave has priced the e-book at the same price as the hardcover. This is a very common strategy and has nothing to do with Amazon&#8217;s dispute with Macmillan and Macmillan&#8217;s change in pricing. That change in prices has not yet occurred. The reality is that Amazon still decides what price to put on the books in the Kindle Store. If you look at all of Palgrave&#8217;s 1600+ titles in the Kindle Store, the prices range from $1.15 for a bio of John McCain to $200.00 for a book on &#8220;Climate Trading&#8221;. I didn&#8217;t scroll through them all, but I would guess that more than half the books are not being sold for $9.99 or less and Amazon has the right to put any price they want on the book. Palgrave will be paid a percentage (roughly half) of the $30.00 list price no matter what the Amazon price is. Amazon can choose to lose all the money they get from the customer or they can choose to put a $16.50 price on it and make a little money on the sale. This is not dictated by Palgrave. This book is not yet available so it&#8217;s also possible (likely) that Amazon will change the price as it becomes available. It&#8217;s their call. Part of the Macmillan dispute is that Macmillan is seeking to take the pricing power out of Amazon&#8217;s hands.</p>
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		<title>By: jonhendry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12258</link>
		<dc:creator>jonhendry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Additionally, the complaint about the $2 difference between Amazon&#039;s kindle price and hardcopy price is kind of silly. After all, you get the kindle version instantly, with no shipping &amp; handling charge. If you want the book from Amazon tomorrow, you&#039;re going to pay a hefty charge.

If you want the Rogoff book today, and you don&#039;t want to buy the kindle version, you&#039;re going to have to find a Borders, where they sell it for &lt;b&gt;$35&lt;/b&gt; or Barnes &amp; Noble who have it for &lt;b&gt;$25&lt;/b&gt; assuming the store price and the website price are the same. (BN don&#039;t offer an ebook version.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Additionally, the complaint about the $2 difference between Amazon&#8217;s kindle price and hardcopy price is kind of silly. After all, you get the kindle version instantly, with no shipping &amp; handling charge. If you want the book from Amazon tomorrow, you&#8217;re going to pay a hefty charge.</p>
<p>If you want the Rogoff book today, and you don&#8217;t want to buy the kindle version, you&#8217;re going to have to find a Borders, where they sell it for $35 or Barnes &amp; Noble who have it for $25 assuming the store price and the website price are the same. (BN don&#8217;t offer an ebook version.)</p>
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		<title>By: jonhendry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12257</link>
		<dc:creator>jonhendry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a one-star review of Rogoff&#039;s &quot;This Time It&#039;s Different&quot; for the kindle:

“My comments have nothing to do with the content of “This Time is Different” which was referred to me as an excellent book to consider buying. I was doing just that (which typically begins with a Kindle Sample Download) when I realized that the Kindle price was nearly $16 (only a couple dollars below the hardcopy price). Having read today that Amazon was fighting with Macmillan Publishing over their new book pricing plans I vote with Amazon to keep Kindle prices reasonable.”

a) the writer admits it has nothing to do with the content
b) the book isn&#039;t published by Macmillan, it&#039;s from Princeton University Press, so their one-star review is completely misdirected anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a one-star review of Rogoff&#8217;s &#8220;This Time It&#8217;s Different&#8221; for the kindle:</p>
<p>“My comments have nothing to do with the content of “This Time is Different” which was referred to me as an excellent book to consider buying. I was doing just that (which typically begins with a Kindle Sample Download) when I realized that the Kindle price was nearly $16 (only a couple dollars below the hardcopy price). Having read today that Amazon was fighting with Macmillan Publishing over their new book pricing plans I vote with Amazon to keep Kindle prices reasonable.”</p>
<p>a) the writer admits it has nothing to do with the content<br />
b) the book isn&#8217;t published by Macmillan, it&#8217;s from Princeton University Press, so their one-star review is completely misdirected anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinFox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12248</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinFox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That said, if she gets a bunch of 1-star reviews from the Kindlejerks, I&#039;ll leave a 5-star to counteract at least one of &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That said, if she gets a bunch of 1-star reviews from the Kindlejerks, I&#8217;ll leave a 5-star to counteract at least one of &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: JustinFox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12247</link>
		<dc:creator>JustinFox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people who leave 1-star reviews because they think the Kindle version is overpriced tend to get very low &quot;helpful&quot; ratings on Amazon, meaning their reviews get shunted to the end. I guess they still have an effect on the overall ranking, but if Yves really won&#039;t buy books on Amazon that have less than a four-star ranking then she deserves whatever&#039;s coming to her. What a silly thing to say (or do)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people who leave 1-star reviews because they think the Kindle version is overpriced tend to get very low &#8220;helpful&#8221; ratings on Amazon, meaning their reviews get shunted to the end. I guess they still have an effect on the overall ranking, but if Yves really won&#8217;t buy books on Amazon that have less than a four-star ranking then she deserves whatever&#8217;s coming to her. What a silly thing to say (or do)!</p>
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		<title>By: pamshal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12244</link>
		<dc:creator>pamshal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having retired, I thought it was time at last to read War &amp; Peace.  So I carefully studied the reviews on the more recent translations and chose one I could put on the Kindle (I&#039;m old -- packing around War &amp; Peace in the analog version is for heartier pilgrims). Eagerly, I started to read.  Wait a minute!  They didn&#039;t translate the French, except in the footnotes.  Major headache!  By the time I go to the translation in the footnote and back to the text, I&#039;ve completely forgotten both the translated passage and the whole context.  Got myself the paper and ink version of the alternate translation (with the French translation directly in the text).  My back hurts, but I&#039;m making progress. Wish Tolstoy would stop yacking on about the peace and take me to the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having retired, I thought it was time at last to read War &amp; Peace.  So I carefully studied the reviews on the more recent translations and chose one I could put on the Kindle (I&#8217;m old &#8212; packing around War &amp; Peace in the analog version is for heartier pilgrims). Eagerly, I started to read.  Wait a minute!  They didn&#8217;t translate the French, except in the footnotes.  Major headache!  By the time I go to the translation in the footnote and back to the text, I&#8217;ve completely forgotten both the translated passage and the whole context.  Got myself the paper and ink version of the alternate translation (with the French translation directly in the text).  My back hurts, but I&#8217;m making progress. Wish Tolstoy would stop yacking on about the peace and take me to the war.</p>
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		<title>By: iflydaplanes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12241</link>
		<dc:creator>iflydaplanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you jonhendry for clearing that up for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you jonhendry for clearing that up for me.</p>
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		<title>By: TCombinator</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12237</link>
		<dc:creator>TCombinator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this policy is deeply misguided. I would never purchase a hard cover just because Kindle edition is delayed. I would probably just ignore the book and then forget to order it when Kindle edition is released. But then again, I live in a closet with no space for books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this policy is deeply misguided. I would never purchase a hard cover just because Kindle edition is delayed. I would probably just ignore the book and then forget to order it when Kindle edition is released. But then again, I live in a closet with no space for books.</p>
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		<title>By: jonhendry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12236</link>
		<dc:creator>jonhendry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is not the Kindle the name of a product? If so, why is it not capitalized at all in the entirety of this article?&quot;

It is a product, and is capitalized by Amazon when mentioned in text, but the name is not capitalized in the logo on the product itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is not the Kindle the name of a product? If so, why is it not capitalized at all in the entirety of this article?&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a product, and is capitalized by Amazon when mentioned in text, but the name is not capitalized in the logo on the product itself.</p>
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		<title>By: mattmc</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12234</link>
		<dc:creator>mattmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the hardcover sales will soon be challenged by the secondhand market. I find it amazing how Tyler Cowen has somehow managed to convince his publisher to set the price of one of his books 10c above the price of the used copies to compete against the second hand copies. It was $2.73 when I just looked at it.
http://www.amazon.com/Discover-Your-Inner-Economist-Incentives/dp/B001OMHUVU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1267121405&amp;sr=1-3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the hardcover sales will soon be challenged by the secondhand market. I find it amazing how Tyler Cowen has somehow managed to convince his publisher to set the price of one of his books 10c above the price of the used copies to compete against the second hand copies. It was $2.73 when I just looked at it.<br />
<a href='http://www.amazon.com/Discover-Your-Inner-Economist-Incentives/dp/B001OMHUVU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1267121405&#038;sr=1-3'>http://www.amazon.com/Discover-Your-Inne r-Economist-Incentives/dp/B001OMHUVU/ref =sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1267121405&#038;s r=1-3</a></p>
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		<title>By: EmilianoZ</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12233</link>
		<dc:creator>EmilianoZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FS: &quot;Amazon wants to subsidize her book; she wants Amazon to subsidize her book&quot;

What does that mean? Is FS subtly suggesting that her book wouldn&#039;t sell without a subsidy? If that aint envy! Shame on him!

When I buy stuff like headphones I will look at stars. I want to know if the stuff will break within 2 months. But for books that&#039;s pretty irrelevant. I know the author, I know the subject. That&#039;s all I need to know. For instance, if you buy a political book that&#039;s liberal, you know you&#039;ll get plenty of 1 star from conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FS: &#8220;Amazon wants to subsidize her book; she wants Amazon to subsidize her book&#8221;</p>
<p>What does that mean? Is FS subtly suggesting that her book wouldn&#8217;t sell without a subsidy? If that aint envy! Shame on him!</p>
<p>When I buy stuff like headphones I will look at stars. I want to know if the stuff will break within 2 months. But for books that&#8217;s pretty irrelevant. I know the author, I know the subject. That&#8217;s all I need to know. For instance, if you buy a political book that&#8217;s liberal, you know you&#8217;ll get plenty of 1 star from conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: TinyTim1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12232</link>
		<dc:creator>TinyTim1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure I follow the complaint.
Isn&#039;t Yves paid by her publisher (not by the number of books/ebooks bought) but by the profit her work generates?

In which case, both her and Macmillan&#039;s incentives are exactly aligned.
She is just complaining that they have done their math wrong and hence their strategy will lead to lower profit.

I suspect they might know a little more about the publishing business than Yves, but perhaps not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure I follow the complaint.<br />
Isn&#8217;t Yves paid by her publisher (not by the number of books/ebooks bought) but by the profit her work generates?</p>
<p>In which case, both her and Macmillan&#8217;s incentives are exactly aligned.<br />
She is just complaining that they have done their math wrong and hence their strategy will lead to lower profit.</p>
<p>I suspect they might know a little more about the publishing business than Yves, but perhaps not.</p>
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		<title>By: jonhendry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12231</link>
		<dc:creator>jonhendry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your dislike of the kindle for nonfiction is due to what you&#039;re reading the nonfiction for. I assume you&#039;re often reading finance-related things as sources for what you&#039;re working on. I can see that being a poor fit.

But if you&#039;re reading non-fiction as you would a novel, straight through, for leisure, then the kindle is fine. I do kinda wish footnotes could be displayed in a fashion similar to how dictionary definitions are displayed, instead of requiring a jump.

As for prices, prices for non-fiction have never been limited to the $9.99 price. Stigum&#039;s The Money Market 4th ed is $73.68 for kindle, which is still less than they sell the hardcover for ($80-some) and much less than Borders wants for the hardcover ($129).

Technical books such as O&#039;Reilly programming references are typically over $30.

If you go to the kindle store on the web, select non-fiction, and sort descending by price, the prices start in the $7,000 range, for specialist nuclear engineering texts.

I would be very surprised if the price of her book had anything to do with Macmillan seeking to raise prices. I bet her book would have been the same price a year ago. As far as I know, Macmillan&#039;s price increases applied to fiction, which has more typically fallen under the former $9.99 price.

In general, one-star reviews are the domain of cranks, drive-by ideologues, and morons with unrealistic expectations. One-star reviews on nonfiction books due to price are part of the latter category. 

Two-star reviews are worth paying attention to, as they tend to be more thoughtful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your dislike of the kindle for nonfiction is due to what you&#8217;re reading the nonfiction for. I assume you&#8217;re often reading finance-related things as sources for what you&#8217;re working on. I can see that being a poor fit.</p>
<p>But if you&#8217;re reading non-fiction as you would a novel, straight through, for leisure, then the kindle is fine. I do kinda wish footnotes could be displayed in a fashion similar to how dictionary definitions are displayed, instead of requiring a jump.</p>
<p>As for prices, prices for non-fiction have never been limited to the $9.99 price. Stigum&#8217;s The Money Market 4th ed is $73.68 for kindle, which is still less than they sell the hardcover for ($80-some) and much less than Borders wants for the hardcover ($129).</p>
<p>Technical books such as O&#8217;Reilly programming references are typically over $30.</p>
<p>If you go to the kindle store on the web, select non-fiction, and sort descending by price, the prices start in the $7,000 range, for specialist nuclear engineering texts.</p>
<p>I would be very surprised if the price of her book had anything to do with Macmillan seeking to raise prices. I bet her book would have been the same price a year ago. As far as I know, Macmillan&#8217;s price increases applied to fiction, which has more typically fallen under the former $9.99 price.</p>
<p>In general, one-star reviews are the domain of cranks, drive-by ideologues, and morons with unrealistic expectations. One-star reviews on nonfiction books due to price are part of the latter category. </p>
<p>Two-star reviews are worth paying attention to, as they tend to be more thoughtful.</p>
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		<title>By: iflydaplanes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/02/25/pricing-kindle-nonfiction/comment-page-1/#comment-12230</link>
		<dc:creator>iflydaplanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is not the Kindle the name of a product?  If so, why is it not capitalized at all in the entirety of this article?  It is used as an adjective rather than a proper noun.  Yes I know, a nit-picking comment. 

I know nothing off Wall Street and the financial goings-on asscociated with it and quite frankly the whole industry confuses me beyond belief.  I do enjoy reading your blogs though Mr. Salmon because even though I am not educated enough in the field to have an opinion about things, they might help me get some sort of small grasp about what is going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is not the Kindle the name of a product?  If so, why is it not capitalized at all in the entirety of this article?  It is used as an adjective rather than a proper noun.  Yes I know, a nit-picking comment. </p>
<p>I know nothing off Wall Street and the financial goings-on asscociated with it and quite frankly the whole industry confuses me beyond belief.  I do enjoy reading your blogs though Mr. Salmon because even though I am not educated enough in the field to have an opinion about things, they might help me get some sort of small grasp about what is going on.</p>
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