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		<title>By: Greensleeves</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/03/10/the-climate-desk/comment-page-1/#comment-12766</link>
		<dc:creator>Greensleeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several years ago I did some research on the re-insurance industries take on climate change. I focused on Swiss RE and Munich RE. I was suprised to learn that they both had depts. dedicated to the issue and were contemplating the possibility of refusing to insure CEO&#039;s that put stock values at risk by ignoring the necessary changes required by a changing climate. Their websites have changed over the years and much of the detailed research may no longer be available but these links should provide some insight into what corporate interests are taking steps to begin mitigation.

http://www.munichre.com/en/ts/climate_change_and_insurance/strategy_and_policy/default.aspx

http://www.theclimategroup.org/programs/the-climate-principles/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several years ago I did some research on the re-insurance industries take on climate change. I focused on Swiss RE and Munich RE. I was suprised to learn that they both had depts. dedicated to the issue and were contemplating the possibility of refusing to insure CEO&#8217;s that put stock values at risk by ignoring the necessary changes required by a changing climate. Their websites have changed over the years and much of the detailed research may no longer be available but these links should provide some insight into what corporate interests are taking steps to begin mitigation.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.munichre.com/en/ts/climate_change_and_insurance/strategy_and_policy/default.aspx'>http://www.munichre.com/en/ts/climate_ch ange_and_insurance/strategy_and_policy/d efault.aspx</a></p>
<p><a href='http://www.theclimategroup.org/programs/the-climate-principles/'>http://www.theclimategroup.org/programs/ the-climate-principles/</a></p>
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		<title>By: alaskaemilie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/03/10/the-climate-desk/comment-page-1/#comment-12740</link>
		<dc:creator>alaskaemilie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another good place to look is the Alaskan Arctic, where the impacts of climate change are being felt more than anywhere else on the planet. The Alaska Natives in particular, have had to adapt their subsistence way of life to climate change. Also, villages along the Arctic coast are having to relocate because of climate change. As the ice melts up there, many are looking with renewed interest at industrial development, shipping, commercial fishing etc, and it is interesting to consider how such businesses and the government move forward in the Arctic - hopefully with an eye toward not making things worse for the Arctic environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good place to look is the Alaskan Arctic, where the impacts of climate change are being felt more than anywhere else on the planet. The Alaska Natives in particular, have had to adapt their subsistence way of life to climate change. Also, villages along the Arctic coast are having to relocate because of climate change. As the ice melts up there, many are looking with renewed interest at industrial development, shipping, commercial fishing etc, and it is interesting to consider how such businesses and the government move forward in the Arctic &#8211; hopefully with an eye toward not making things worse for the Arctic environment.</p>
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		<title>By: coolplan</title>
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		<dc:creator>coolplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great news, Felix - and a great crew.  Plenty of story ideas here: http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/for_business.php and happy to help drill down!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great news, Felix &#8211; and a great crew.  Plenty of story ideas here: <a href='http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/for_business.php'>http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/for_b usiness.php</a> and happy to help drill down!</p>
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		<title>By: FredHeutte</title>
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		<dc:creator>FredHeutte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to hear, Felix.

Speaking of Portland, we are anticipating a terrible year for hydro runoff.  And here is where the economic impacts start.  The Bonneville Power Administration, the regional federal power distribution agency, monitors snowpack throughout the Northwest including up into eastern British Columbia where the headwaters of the Columbia River are, and most of the storage for the spring-summer freshet occurs.

As of last week, expected runoff at the big dam at The Dalles, Oregon (right by the Google net center) is projected at about 67% of average, down from a projected 74% just a month ago.

http://www.hydroworld.com/index/display/article-display/7044873436/articles/hrhrw/News-2/2010/02/decreased-runoff_could.html

This is directly related to the fairly strong El Nino we&#039;re currently having, but the climate models in this region show earlier and &quot;peakier&quot; runoff that will significantly affect hydropower, fish passage, domestic water supply (especially in Seattle and other parts of the region directly dependent on glacial runoff for drinking water) and agriculture in the future.  

We are even wondering whether climate change is already affecting the ENSO cycle, but that&#039;s just conjectural at this point.  The irregularity of the cycle over the last decade is cause for some concern, however.  And the visuals of crews trucking snow into the Olympic sites leaves a big impression in these parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to hear, Felix.</p>
<p>Speaking of Portland, we are anticipating a terrible year for hydro runoff.  And here is where the economic impacts start.  The Bonneville Power Administration, the regional federal power distribution agency, monitors snowpack throughout the Northwest including up into eastern British Columbia where the headwaters of the Columbia River are, and most of the storage for the spring-summer freshet occurs.</p>
<p>As of last week, expected runoff at the big dam at The Dalles, Oregon (right by the Google net center) is projected at about 67% of average, down from a projected 74% just a month ago.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.hydroworld.com/index/display/article-display/7044873436/articles/hrhrw/News-2/2010/02/decreased-runoff_could.html'>http://www.hydroworld.com/index/display/ article-display/7044873436/articles/hrhr w/News-2/2010/02/decreased-runoff_could. html</a></p>
<p>This is directly related to the fairly strong El Nino we&#8217;re currently having, but the climate models in this region show earlier and &#8220;peakier&#8221; runoff that will significantly affect hydropower, fish passage, domestic water supply (especially in Seattle and other parts of the region directly dependent on glacial runoff for drinking water) and agriculture in the future.  </p>
<p>We are even wondering whether climate change is already affecting the ENSO cycle, but that&#8217;s just conjectural at this point.  The irregularity of the cycle over the last decade is cause for some concern, however.  And the visuals of crews trucking snow into the Olympic sites leaves a big impression in these parts.</p>
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		<title>By: FrancisL</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrancisL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Start in California and the other Western states that rely on the Colorado River.  Then look at industries that rely on weather and water -- like California&#039;s enormous agricultural industry (don&#039;t forget fisheries and timber), and the secondary industries that feed in, from seeds to equipment to labor.

The economic recession did a nice job of killing off the construction industry in Las Vegas.  But there&#039;s a pretty powerful argument that Las Vegas is built out, not due to lack of land, but to lack of water.  Arizona has pretty junior rights as well and looks to be facing tough times over the next few decades as the Colorado River gets drier.  There&#039;s a blog called Inkstain (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inkstain.net/fleck/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) that&#039;s pretty good on Southwest water issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Start in California and the other Western states that rely on the Colorado River.  Then look at industries that rely on weather and water &#8212; like California&#8217;s enormous agricultural industry (don&#8217;t forget fisheries and timber), and the secondary industries that feed in, from seeds to equipment to labor.</p>
<p>The economic recession did a nice job of killing off the construction industry in Las Vegas.  But there&#8217;s a pretty powerful argument that Las Vegas is built out, not due to lack of land, but to lack of water.  Arizona has pretty junior rights as well and looks to be facing tough times over the next few decades as the Colorado River gets drier.  There&#8217;s a blog called Inkstain (here) that&#8217;s pretty good on Southwest water issues.</p>
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		<title>By: yr2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>yr2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>drewbie,

Being interested in one side of a story (if such story exists at all), and not in other aspects of it may produce amusing stories and anecdotes, but it&#039;s not exactly good journalism. 

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As for fears about Earth becoming a &quot;Dune&quot; style planet, they are absurd, since warmer oceans increase evaporation, and that leads to an increase in precipitations - inevitably. 

As for fears about shortage of food, just think about the huge land masses of Northern Asia (a.k.a. Siberia), Canada and Alaska changing climate from cold to temperate. In terms of additional arable land this would be the equivalent of discovering a new continent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>drewbie,</p>
<p>Being interested in one side of a story (if such story exists at all), and not in other aspects of it may produce amusing stories and anecdotes, but it&#8217;s not exactly good journalism. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
As for fears about Earth becoming a &#8220;Dune&#8221; style planet, they are absurd, since warmer oceans increase evaporation, and that leads to an increase in precipitations &#8211; inevitably. </p>
<p>As for fears about shortage of food, just think about the huge land masses of Northern Asia (a.k.a. Siberia), Canada and Alaska changing climate from cold to temperate. In terms of additional arable land this would be the equivalent of discovering a new continent.</p>
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		<title>By: gramps</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/03/10/the-climate-desk/comment-page-1/#comment-12594</link>
		<dc:creator>gramps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix, go for it, dude... I understand your constraints ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix, go for it, dude&#8230; I understand your constraints ..</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as for some other comments, i love how capitalists&#039;re only supposed to profit by polluting. what&#039;s that, a requirement of dirty money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as for some other comments, i love how capitalists&#8217;re only supposed to profit by polluting. what&#8217;s that, a requirement of dirty money?</p>
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		<title>By: hapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>hapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe the zoom&#039;s a little tight, on single companies. downsides would be more across sectors or along chains? and the example of regional water use is a bigger issue than climate -- all industry will have to adjust to constrained supply there, warming or not, as groundwater is tapped.

to me i guess i want to know from businesses, beyond trying not to be a big part of the problem, and beyond new regs, new raw materials pricing/sourcing, new transport regimes, maybe even on the other side of planned obsolescence, if all your externalities are on your books (like http://j.mp/4GwAR3 ), what&#039;s your business model look like?

cuz there&#039;s too much else. to silo climate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe the zoom&#8217;s a little tight, on single companies. downsides would be more across sectors or along chains? and the example of regional water use is a bigger issue than climate &#8212; all industry will have to adjust to constrained supply there, warming or not, as groundwater is tapped.</p>
<p>to me i guess i want to know from businesses, beyond trying not to be a big part of the problem, and beyond new regs, new raw materials pricing/sourcing, new transport regimes, maybe even on the other side of planned obsolescence, if all your externalities are on your books (like <a href='http://j.mp/4GwAR3'>http://j.mp/4GwAR3</a> ), what&#8217;s your business model look like?</p>
<p>cuz there&#8217;s too much else. to silo climate.</p>
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		<title>By: Gotthardbahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gotthardbahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix - you can&#039;t be serious. Wasting your time shilling for the likes of Al Gore. (He&#039;ll take the money and run, thank you very much). What a complete misuse of your intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix &#8211; you can&#8217;t be serious. Wasting your time shilling for the likes of Al Gore. (He&#8217;ll take the money and run, thank you very much). What a complete misuse of your intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghandiolfini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghandiolfini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...AlexisMadrigal - I forgot, to me it looks like global freezing up north and global warming down south, that is a very different scenario to the potpourri arguments we are used to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;AlexisMadrigal &#8211; I forgot, to me it looks like global freezing up north and global warming down south, that is a very different scenario to the potpourri arguments we are used to.</p>
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		<title>By: Ghandiolfini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghandiolfini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just traveled a semi-arid region for two weeks. Something is certainly changing, 51 degrees celcius at 5pm in a lush mountain region. Maybe if CNN and the like start reporting actual temperatures, the added 10 degrees will in all likelihood cause mass hysteria, Saudi will be pegged at 50 degrees throughout Summer.

The changes are causing extreme weather patterns to become more extreme, I don&#039;t take heed of studies, it is obvious from weather reports.

Then we mix waste into the equation, shoddy reasoning.

On thing is for sure, we are too many and the large cities need to reduce headcounts, de-urbanisation,they are the main sources of waste concentrates and will also not cope with evacuations.

Then of course, the saddest part of my trip, a diamond mining company that completely destroyed a very large estuary/delta on the Atlantic Seaboard. It looks like Saudi on a good day. Who cares about rehabilitation legislation and fines ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just traveled a semi-arid region for two weeks. Something is certainly changing, 51 degrees celcius at 5pm in a lush mountain region. Maybe if CNN and the like start reporting actual temperatures, the added 10 degrees will in all likelihood cause mass hysteria, Saudi will be pegged at 50 degrees throughout Summer.</p>
<p>The changes are causing extreme weather patterns to become more extreme, I don&#8217;t take heed of studies, it is obvious from weather reports.</p>
<p>Then we mix waste into the equation, shoddy reasoning.</p>
<p>On thing is for sure, we are too many and the large cities need to reduce headcounts, de-urbanisation,they are the main sources of waste concentrates and will also not cope with evacuations.</p>
<p>Then of course, the saddest part of my trip, a diamond mining company that completely destroyed a very large estuary/delta on the Atlantic Seaboard. It looks like Saudi on a good day. Who cares about rehabilitation legislation and fines ?</p>
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		<title>By: STORY-BURN</title>
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		<dc:creator>STORY-BURN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll do what I can.</description>
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		<title>By: eichelberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>eichelberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well perhaps there is a change in climate that everyone can agree is not theoretical - it is the quasi normal fluctuation in El Nino/La Nina. I think everyone would agree to these two phenomena and the interesting way they disrupt economies, industries and so forth: Reuters today has posted two articles on the crisis in hydroelectric power in Venezuela and its political and economic impact on Hugo Chavez. In his country, drought is associated with the El Nino phase of the jet stream and oceanic fluctuation and drought is anathema to hydroelectric power generation. Our big noise in the USA this winter is bizarre precipitation effects in the NE USA. This is due to the jet stream entering USA from so. Cal, rather than the Portland area. All I know is that when drought returns to the USA you will see the St. Claire River controversey rev up with loss of water upstream of this. The New York Power Authority/Ontario Hydro rely on the Lake level in Erie Co. to generate power for the NE USA, using water from regions upstream from its electricity market (and outside of service). This is a threat to the NE grid and to the bond ratings of NYPA/OH and the potential for binational and interstate conflict, water rights etc. Do you think this is a legitimate scenario to justify meteorological interest in the economy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well perhaps there is a change in climate that everyone can agree is not theoretical &#8211; it is the quasi normal fluctuation in El Nino/La Nina. I think everyone would agree to these two phenomena and the interesting way they disrupt economies, industries and so forth: Reuters today has posted two articles on the crisis in hydroelectric power in Venezuela and its political and economic impact on Hugo Chavez. In his country, drought is associated with the El Nino phase of the jet stream and oceanic fluctuation and drought is anathema to hydroelectric power generation. Our big noise in the USA this winter is bizarre precipitation effects in the NE USA. This is due to the jet stream entering USA from so. Cal, rather than the Portland area. All I know is that when drought returns to the USA you will see the St. Claire River controversey rev up with loss of water upstream of this. The New York Power Authority/Ontario Hydro rely on the Lake level in Erie Co. to generate power for the NE USA, using water from regions upstream from its electricity market (and outside of service). This is a threat to the NE grid and to the bond ratings of NYPA/OH and the potential for binational and interstate conflict, water rights etc. Do you think this is a legitimate scenario to justify meteorological interest in the economy?</p>
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		<title>By: drewbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>drewbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yr2009, I don&#039;t think Felix made that assumption.  There *is* a downside to climate change, and that&#039;s what Felix is writing about.  He even said specifically that he doesn&#039;t want to hear the upside stories.

I&#039;m very interested to read this piece when it&#039;s done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yr2009, I don&#8217;t think Felix made that assumption.  There *is* a downside to climate change, and that&#8217;s what Felix is writing about.  He even said specifically that he doesn&#8217;t want to hear the upside stories.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very interested to read this piece when it&#8217;s done.</p>
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