Comments on: Those outperforming junk stocks http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/07/those-outperforming-junk-stocks/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: steve_ascendere http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/07/those-outperforming-junk-stocks/comment-page-1/#comment-13297 Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:49:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3285#comment-13297 “Unsurprisingly,” MGM Mirage ($MGM) Leads “Low-Quality” Stocks Higher – April 8, 2010 http://bit.ly/90fr78

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By: MartinHenry http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/07/those-outperforming-junk-stocks/comment-page-1/#comment-13273 Thu, 08 Apr 2010 13:30:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3285#comment-13273 Sometimes higher risk shares outperform. Sometimes they underperform. If this phenomenon is unpredictable, then proper portfolio management calls for building portfolios that are neutral to this issue.

Once returns in March are better adjusted for systematic risk factors, there were useful valuation signals to benefit from including revenue and free cash flow based valuation.

To read more about this see: http://quantchat.com/?p=482.

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By: topofeatureAM http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/07/those-outperforming-junk-stocks/comment-page-1/#comment-13269 Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:51:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3285#comment-13269 So today in a follow up Alphaville has a post from the Barclays guys discussing the ‘trash bank rally’ On there list of possible explanations if I might quote Alphaville quoting Barclays.

“Drivers for the year-to-date regional bank outperformance in our view includes: a) below tangible book valuations at the start of the year . . . b) relatively low valuations (mid-cap bank trading at 9x normalized EPS on Jan 1, though 14x currently) amid an improving economic backdrop (increased GDP growth, improved job creation)”

so how is that a “junk rally” and not a “cheap rally”. I suspect there is a similar character to the non-banks that outperformed during the quarter (low P/B, low P/Normalized EPS)

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By: leoklein http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/07/those-outperforming-junk-stocks/comment-page-1/#comment-13265 Thu, 08 Apr 2010 04:58:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3285#comment-13265 If the stock market’s doing well, why bother to ‘outperform’ it?

Sometimes people can be too clever.

P.S. It’d be interesting to catalog just who’s been predicting a ‘major correction’ — for six months already.

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By: steve_ascendere http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/07/those-outperforming-junk-stocks/comment-page-1/#comment-13261 Thu, 08 Apr 2010 02:44:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3285#comment-13261 Actually, I think what has been happening in retrospect has been quite logical and not at all random.

Many of these “low-quality” stocks ranked very poorly back in March and still do today on many fundamental factors. But the key drivers of valuation — ROIC and cash flow growth — bottomed at this time last year, and have been improving. MGM Mirage is a case in point: bit.ly/aZFVpE

What I think many of these quant models may have missed is that relative fundamental factors are irrelevant following a huge market correction. What simply matters is that there is some incremental improvement in ROIC and cash flow prospects, which can justify at least a partial return to some kind of long-term mean.

It’s hard for even industry experts to get behind a “low-quality” company at inflection points like last March, and I am not pretending I did so myself. But I think a delayed reaction to this is starting to happen now, and that we will see more of it — take a look at the recent upgrade of HOG for example.

In any case, I do agree that it’s more prudent to try to partially participate in a market rally by focusing on “higher-quality” stocks.

I just posted an article on such a strategy and some others, available here: bit.ly/cdT4hw

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By: phoneranger http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/07/those-outperforming-junk-stocks/comment-page-1/#comment-13253 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:56:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3285#comment-13253 The most successful hedge funds rarely do what comes intuitively.

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By: KidDynamite http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/07/those-outperforming-junk-stocks/comment-page-1/#comment-13251 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:37:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3285#comment-13251 “One needed to be absolutely counter-intuitive buying expensive stocks of low quality that had recently underperformed to be successful.”

great quote

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