Comments on: Goldman’s reputation in tatters http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/16/goldmans-reputation-in-tatters/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: fixedincome http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/16/goldmans-reputation-in-tatters/comment-page-1/#comment-13624 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:43:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3447#comment-13624 Rootless – My initial reaction was that SEC would have a very difficult time making their case for the reasons you cite, i.e. that if IKB is a qualified institutional investor, then caveat emptor largely applies.

Even caveat emptor has limits, though, and they kick in at the word fraud. I still think SEC has something of an uphill battle, but if even one of the pieces of evidence presented in the complaint can constructively be interpreted as a lie, then the line is crossed.

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By: CBL http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/16/goldmans-reputation-in-tatters/comment-page-1/#comment-13612 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:45:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3447#comment-13612 Couple points to add to the conversation:

– I could be wrong here, but there is a very good chance Paulson was actually long the equity tranche of ABACUS while still expecting the collateral to fail miserably. Because it takes a while for the bonds to start taking writedowns, they initially generate excess interest that is paid out to the equity holder. If they held the equity, they get paid a few million dollars on the long side before the bonds start to fail, and then they get their billion on the short side when the thing blows up. This serves as further cover that they were actually “long” the deal.

– This may further tarnish Goldman’s reputation on Main Street, but this whole thing comes as no surprise to anyone in the financial sector. Their reputation is not that they have their clients’ best interests in mind. Their reputation is that they are incredibly smart and good at making money and they will rip your face off without hesitation.

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By: MaxKennerly http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/16/goldmans-reputation-in-tatters/comment-page-1/#comment-13608 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:13:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3447#comment-13608 I’m not impressed with Blodget’s ‘legalistic’ defense. The identity of the selection agent was clearly “material” to everyone involved: that’s the whole reason GS hired ACA, to attach the name of a selection agent to the CDOs, as their investors had started demanding. Thus, failing to disclose who the selection agents really were and their own investments is an “untrue” statement about a “material” fact.

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By: rootless http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/16/goldmans-reputation-in-tatters/comment-page-1/#comment-13589 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 04:36:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3447#comment-13589 “. Instead, it played IKB and ACA for suckers. ”

That seems more than a little overgenerous to IKB and ACA. IKB clearly needed adult supervision – they should have known (a) somebody was taking the other side of the bet for a reason and (b) GS and ACA were making money from putting the deal together. They acted like a befuddled 90 year old signing away his SS check. What were all the high salaried managers and analysts at IKB doing for their depositors? Flying to NYC and going out to dinner with GS?

And ACA put their name on the line. They represented to the customer that they had put together the package in good faith where they had really just taken a fee and passed on Paulson’s design. They had an ethical and seems to me legal obligation to walk away from the deal, but they too the fee and played along.

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By: savo http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/16/goldmans-reputation-in-tatters/comment-page-1/#comment-13559 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:55:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3447#comment-13559 Such a shame for a company with such history and culture. I think:

> The CEO should apologise to his clients, his people and the public about the deals GS has been involved in under his leadership
> Next, he should step down and reshuffle the executive committee and the broad of directors
> There should be investigation and internal changes to the way Goldman runs. Go back to serving clients and long term profit.

Good luck.

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By: HBC http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/16/goldmans-reputation-in-tatters/comment-page-1/#comment-13557 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:46:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3447#comment-13557 The correct response to their brazen-ette crackhead who-me? defense is to prosecute this fiasco as criminal as well as “civil” fraud. And keep going until Goldman gets a civil tongue in its head, or goes down. Whichever comes first.

If it’s at all unclear whether the FBI has saddled its pony yet, it shouldn’t be much longer.

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By: gringcorp http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/04/16/goldmans-reputation-in-tatters/comment-page-1/#comment-13556 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:45:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3447#comment-13556 Heidi Moore thinks that this finally proves Matt Taibbi wrong, which I must say is a rather charitable spin on things, because Paulson was the inspiration for the deals rather than Goldman

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