Comments on: Lies, damn lies, and oil spill statistics http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/05/14/lies-damn-lies-and-oil-spill-statistics/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: shrivti1 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/05/14/lies-damn-lies-and-oil-spill-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-14877 Sun, 16 May 2010 04:04:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3849#comment-14877 alexhiggens: The riser pipe has a 20 inch interior diameter. However, the drill pipe that is actually sunk into the reservoir has a 9 inch diameter. That is the pipe that is relevant for determining flow.

It’s possible that the pipe may be structurally compromised, or there may be frozen crystals built up, etc. which would affect oil flow. Also, as the oil rises through the pipe, methane gas comes out of suspension as pressure lessens (like the carbonation in soda), so it’s tough to know how much is gas and how much is oil.

That said, the pipe into the well is 9 inches.

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By: swimmer http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/05/14/lies-damn-lies-and-oil-spill-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-14872 Sat, 15 May 2010 18:50:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3849#comment-14872 “But if they did shut it off then they couldn’t try to siphon off some it for more cash. This is criminal. Lock some people up and see how quickly they shut it off.”

If they shut it off today, all that oil that’s now leaking off would remain in the wellbore and could be recoverable later. The oil that has leaked off is worthless. At a range of 5,000 to 20,000 barrels per day, that’s 120,000 to 480,000 barrels lost. At $80/barrel that’s $10 to $40 million they’ve lost in oil revenues by not shutting it off immediately. In addition, all the lawsuits and cleanup costs…

Force some people to think for more than two minutes and you’d see a lot fewer silly comments like this.

“I also find it odd that after so many off-shore well drillings (sic) that this happened in the first place.”

Do you also find it odd that after so many safe flights, a plane crashed last week? Offshore drilling is a very high tech proposition in a dangerous environment, and you find human error to be evidence of a conspiracy? :-) Oh boy.

“There are huge platforms in the North Sea that have been there for decades.”

The first platform in the Gulf of Mexico was built in 1947, long before any wells were drilled in the North Sea. There are far more rigs in the Gulf than in the North Sea.

The misinformation out there is amazing. All of the sudden, everyone’s an oil industry expert.

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By: SkippyStone http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/05/14/lies-damn-lies-and-oil-spill-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-14866 Sat, 15 May 2010 13:37:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3849#comment-14866 “Obama doesn’t have any incentive to actually get things right, as more and more problems come to light he can get his agenda of re-engineering the USA from a capitalist society production base pay with the elite producers to a society of Governmental control…” rancher

You make an interesting point. BPs new name is Beyond Petroleum. And they are aligned with money in the global warming agenda. As another example, Aetna asked for a 35% increase in rates, just when the Health Care Bill was really hot. Another coincidence? There have been quite a few coincidences during this administration.

I find it ludicrous that this thing has not been fixed. I also find it odd that after so many off-shore well drillings that this happened in the first place. There are huge platforms in the North Sea that have been there for decades. That area makes the Gulf look like a swimming pool.

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By: scrypton http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/05/14/lies-damn-lies-and-oil-spill-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-14860 Sat, 15 May 2010 06:16:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3849#comment-14860 Along with methane and water there is probably dirt with heavy metals as well. Can someone explain why if you can see this pipe why you couldn’t just crimp the end of it with some sort of Jaws of Life devise? If it could contain it temporarily you might be able to secure some sort of dome over it. But if they did shut it off then they couldn’t try to siphon off some it for more cash. This is criminal. Lock some people up and see how quickly they shut it off.

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By: HBC http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/05/14/lies-damn-lies-and-oil-spill-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-14857 Sat, 15 May 2010 03:47:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3849#comment-14857 Gulf drillers’ official spill volume estimate appears about as accurate as other avoidable oil-related disasters e.g. civilian death tolls and real cost of waging America’s illegal wars on the Middle East.

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By: alexhiggins732 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/05/14/lies-damn-lies-and-oil-spill-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-14853 Sat, 15 May 2010 02:19:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3849#comment-14853 high_al at 11:07am: “An estimate of the diameter of the pipe of 3 inches seems reasonable, I have not seen too many drilling pipes larger than that. ”
high_al at 3:42pm: “(A 3 inch pipe did seem a little small)”

high_al: all fine, except that the diameter of the well pipe is actually 9 inches.

The pipe is 21 inches wide.

Where did 3 and 9 inches come from?

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/ index.ssf/2010/05/insertion-tube_strateg y_for_co.html

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By: swimmer http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/05/14/lies-damn-lies-and-oil-spill-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-14851 Sat, 15 May 2010 02:05:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3849#comment-14851 I don’t really see how the actual flow rate is all that relevant. It’s not going to change the attack. BP will still be trying to contain the spill as quickly as possible. It’s not going to change the rate at which the relief wells are drilling to cut off the original well. Whatever number you assign to the flow is not going to change the current distribution of the oil on the surface.

This is just another one of those non-issues that the media comes up with, each journalist trying to trump the other with a “new angle.”

I agree with lucid. It’s not so easy to just go get the number. To accurately measure the rate, you need to isolate the flow such that none of it is leaking. You need to know how much natural gas and water are mixed with the oil. People who say these kinds of things, or who insist on a risk free world, have probably never taken a science course.

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By: niveditas http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/05/14/lies-damn-lies-and-oil-spill-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-14848 Sat, 15 May 2010 01:04:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3849#comment-14848 high_al at 11:07am: “An estimate of the diameter of the pipe of 3 inches seems reasonable, I have not seen too many drilling pipes larger than that. ”
high_al at 3:42pm: “(A 3 inch pipe did seem a little small)”

nnniiiceee.. why don’t you just admit you have no clue what you’re talking about.

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By: trestle17 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/05/14/lies-damn-lies-and-oil-spill-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-14845 Sat, 15 May 2010 00:01:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3849#comment-14845 “But it’s certainly going to be important going forwards.”

Why? Can’t you at least explain why this is so critical that it warrants your article? Isn’t such an explanation a reasonable expectation of someone attempting, even poorly, to make a point?

What is critical is containing the spill as soon as possible. Whatever is flowing now will continue to flow regardless of how accurately it’s captured in some entertainment article you wish to write. Or perhaps you’re seeking data for a future lawsuit. I don’t know. Is there any benefit to the environment of capturing an accurate flow rate for an impact that will not be understood for years? For an impact that is clearly beyond mankind’s control at any depth and on any coastline, short of engineering an ocean floor containment solution?

How much are you willing to spend on getting this critical data point at the expense of containment efforts? How do you propose doing it? Where’s the rocket scientist?

Please stop making stupid points. And keep that “why” business in mind next time.

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By: rancher5 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/05/14/lies-damn-lies-and-oil-spill-statistics/comment-page-1/#comment-14841 Fri, 14 May 2010 22:41:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=3849#comment-14841 Obama doesn’t have any incentive to actually get things right, as more and more problems come to light he can get his agenda of re-engineering the USA from a capitalist society production base pay with the elite producers to a society of Governmental control, nanny State society. All they really need is over 50% of voters reliant on the Gov enough to favor a very large government to keep the machine in power and money to those it deems in favor at the time. As they say never let a disaster go to waste. Like now he is all over the Banks for misconduct but no mention of Freddie or Fannie Mae which is and was the worst waste and main contributor of or financial disaster. We will be in more hard times, and a double dip recession without a complete reversal of this agenda. Its already a trillion dollars wasted. Hope we stop. BP has the resources to compensate those that were effected and clean the spill up.
Right now they are bringing all these temporary fixes to keep public out cry from getting out of hand, there is only one true fix, is to drill another hole to plug this up. Which they are doing as we write, but will take 1-3+ months.

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