Comments on: The congestion pricing debate, cont. http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/04/the-congestion-pricing-debate-cont/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: khskymeter http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/04/the-congestion-pricing-debate-cont/comment-page-1/#comment-15538 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 11:27:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4136#comment-15538 Turbulence – any smart company that wants to make a road pricing system knows that they MUST keep data private, or nobody will buy it.

There has been a lot of work in Europe by privacy commissioners to make sure all companies, not just Skymeter, keep data private in road pricing systems.

The key document to date is the Sofia Memorandam, which you can find in this list:
http://www.datenschutz-berlin.de/content  /europa-international/international-wor king-group-on-data-protection-in-telecom munications-iwgdpt/working-papers-and-co mmon-positions-adopted-by-the-working-gr oup

As an electrical engineer, I am sure that you know that GPS systems are RECEIVERS only (unlike, say, your mobile phone which is always communicating your position to cell towers when turned on). Nobody outside of the car knows what a standalone GPS chip has read.

Privacy with GPS is all about what you attach the GPS chip to, and what you do with the data: what you record, if and what you transmit, how you encrypt and when you erase data.

As for your statement that detecting GPS jamming is not easy, that is correct. Not easy does not mean impossible. How companies like Skymeter could possibly do that is a longer conversation … which they and others have had with a Netherlands government group who looked at nationwide GPS road pricing.

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By: Turbulence http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/04/the-congestion-pricing-debate-cont/comment-page-1/#comment-15533 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:04:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4136#comment-15533 Felix, your claims about privacy and SkyMeter really make no sense to me. I’ve tried to follow some of the SkyMeter links you posted earlier and as far as I can tell, these people don’t seem to know anything about systems security. In your posts you keep repeating their claims that there is no privacy issue without engaging any of the counterarguments.

As an electrical engineer, I don’t find SkyMeter’s claims that they can detect GPS jamming to be plausible at all. If I can convince their system that I never left my house using a $5 box purchased on the street, then their system is worthless.

See my comment in your “Why car tracking isn’t a privacy issue” post for more detail.

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By: HBC http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/04/the-congestion-pricing-debate-cont/comment-page-1/#comment-15532 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 00:20:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4136#comment-15532 Like levying poll taxation, congestion charges are ludicrous on principle; as are exorbitant parking fees laid on drivers with no other sensible options.

But as a sign of the way things are going, they’re a step above rich people simple mowing over other traffic participants with their bullet-proof Bradley limos and strewing a few hundred-unit currency notes out the window in lieu of leaving a note. An insufficiently large step up – not much of a step at all really but in, all correctness, a step. Of sorts.

I just wish people wouldn’t capitulate and go bending over so easily for things like that, I suppose.

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By: VINNYVOTER http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/04/the-congestion-pricing-debate-cont/comment-page-1/#comment-15529 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 23:32:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4136#comment-15529 Mass. Congressman Markey says, no drill, fish baby fish. He is one of the biggest enemys of N. E. Fishermen rules put so many out work, and in serious danger out at sea. He makes himself sound like a friend to fishermen, he is their enemy environment whacko much more important than fisherman’s jobs. Vinnyvoter from Mass

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