Comments on: Cassano comes out swinging http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/30/cassano-comes-out-swinging/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: sgreillylives http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/30/cassano-comes-out-swinging/comment-page-1/#comment-16398 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 00:38:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4503#comment-16398 Good grief Cassano simply pulled an Enron and instead of putting the risk inside the company, ie putting it on books off the balance sheet, they externalized the risk to the whole market. Smart in a very sad way, but we all pay the price and they make money. I will be in a different mood when the first Goldman Sach’s employee, or any major investment banker, goes to jail.

I mean if Jeff Skilling goes to jail why not LB?

As to Cassano and the belief that all the loans were backed in the other tranches, what world is he living in? Read what happened at Lehman Brothers in that Archstone was good on paper and would have been ok if the rental market had not tanked. The key issue there, of course, is that CDS would have been called in and the devil’s candy would have been revealed for what it was (an empty promise).

The whole logic was that at the end of all the promises something tangible has to exist. Not simply a promise to pay the actual ability to pay either by having cash in hand or converting something into cash. It really is that simply. What Casson is missing, and does not want to know about, is that beneath those layers the quality went down hill so that there was no there there. In other words, he was selling whipping cream on s***.

To put it directly, Cassano and his ilk were not worrying about what the companies beneath the top tiers did or where those bonds were, or where the money was supposed to come from as long as the top tiers looked good.

My god, it is so simple it is shocking. Forget the mathematical BS (wizard of oz suddenly arrives forget about that man behind the curtain) this boils down to a basic transaction, it is about selling a product. For someone to make a profit, someone has to make a loss. (In other words you cannot make something from nothing) What was being sold was some illusion (the devils candy) that I can make us both money or better yet “I can always return %15 year on year.” How long can an investment fund manager and his clients ignore that siren song? Once they are hooked, they have to keep the process working.

Give me the building society and the manufacturing sector any day of the week, or the agricultural sector (at least you can eat your mistakes).

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By: CitizenReno http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/30/cassano-comes-out-swinging/comment-page-1/#comment-16394 Sun, 04 Jul 2010 06:57:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4503#comment-16394 oh. I forgot to mention. Cassano may be right that the triple A tranches won’t default by the expiration of the CDSs he sold, but the fact is – no company should be allowed to sell insurance without the money to pay it off should it default. Regular casualty insurance companies had to be bailed out by the govt. for some of the losses incurred from September 11th, but they paid most of them, because there are rules governing the ratio of underwriting to equity (I don’t know what it’s actually called, but I think you know what I mean.)
It may seem obvious, so let me come out as a non-participant (in any voluntary way) in the finance world. I am simply Polly Q Public, trying to make out what the *^&$! is happening.

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By: CitizenReno http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/30/cassano-comes-out-swinging/comment-page-1/#comment-16393 Sun, 04 Jul 2010 06:48:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4503#comment-16393 There has been incessant comment about Goldman, Sachs having some special secret not so secret connect with the govt so she got special treatment (AIG bailout going $1:$1 to repay Goldman) being that many GS folks populate the Treasury Dept, such as the fin crisis era Sec’y Paulson. At any given time, some investment bank has a closer than safe relationship with our gov’t. that puts democracy at risk. This is the system we have, and as we know, this bailout consolidated the banking sector into even less hands.
It’s two years later. At this time, when we know what kinds of activities created “moral hazard” yet we still don’t appear to be close to setting up rules that might help obviate the need for the next bailout, why we, the people, are not screaming in the streets attests to a kind of inveterate “moral hazard” in the entire population.
Yeah, it’s complicated, the credit default swaps, the collateralized debt obligations, the latter square for chrissakes, but is it not obvious by now: those post war years after the huge regulation of finance were pretty godamn safe for la jenté, then banking started to want a bigger share, the academy sainted the “self regulating market”, dereg happened and soon thereafter, boom: one big bubble bursting after the next.
The world is much more complex now than in the thirties, yes, but could we not have seen the writing on the wall with the wealth consolidating ever upwards, decent jobs being outsourced, welfare being replaced with credit, and obvious bad business models like depository bank profits based solely on bad check fees became the norm.
What the hell?
None of us are taking responsibility. Kinda makes me re-understand the ole “turn on, tune in, drop out” idea, albeit changed to plain ‘drop out’ since turn on brings you to super-max, and tuning in just continues to kill me.

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By: OnTheTimes http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/30/cassano-comes-out-swinging/comment-page-1/#comment-16302 Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:16:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4503#comment-16302 The government didn’t have to buy the swaps back from Goldman, et al, they could have just posted the collateral in an escrow account. Then, if Cassano proves right, the cost to taxpayers would have been nothing.

But Goldman needed cash at that point, didn’t they? Increasing the amount of collateral AIG had available wouldn’t have helped Goldman, they needed and wanted cash.

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