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		<title>By: justanotherjoe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/30/the-inexplicable-aig-waiver/comment-page-1/#comment-16313</link>
		<dc:creator>justanotherjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 04:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pardon me..that&#039;s Dewey, Cheatum and Howell...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pardon me..that&#8217;s Dewey, Cheatum and Howell&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: justanotherjoe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/30/the-inexplicable-aig-waiver/comment-page-1/#comment-16311</link>
		<dc:creator>justanotherjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 04:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears I&#039;ve opened a can of worms and Howey, Cheatum and Howell have stepped up to explain the intricacies.  Nothing has changed.  The deal was a bad deal for the U.S. public.  A due diligence was never done of this deal and the government left contracts in place between AIG and their employees that should have been a deal killer under any other circumstances.  No one of sound mind would have forked over $85 Billion dollars without at least some concessions or posturing.  The U.S. Govt just flat out gave them the bucks, no questions asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears I&#8217;ve opened a can of worms and Howey, Cheatum and Howell have stepped up to explain the intricacies.  Nothing has changed.  The deal was a bad deal for the U.S. public.  A due diligence was never done of this deal and the government left contracts in place between AIG and their employees that should have been a deal killer under any other circumstances.  No one of sound mind would have forked over $85 Billion dollars without at least some concessions or posturing.  The U.S. Govt just flat out gave them the bucks, no questions asked.</p>
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		<title>By: HBC</title>
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		<dc:creator>HBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 03:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This odious financial suicide note opened the floodgates for Fannie Mae to compensate questionable mortgage lenders by buying up their notes at full balloon pop, with no hope of recourse to anyone caught in the middle, never mind the taxpayer. And there went the market with it.

A search of the document fails to return any inclusion of the words &quot;of sound mind&quot; on the part of anyone signing it. So, no, there ain&#039;t no sanity clause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This odious financial suicide note opened the floodgates for Fannie Mae to compensate questionable mortgage lenders by buying up their notes at full balloon pop, with no hope of recourse to anyone caught in the middle, never mind the taxpayer. And there went the market with it.</p>
<p>A search of the document fails to return any inclusion of the words &#8220;of sound mind&#8221; on the part of anyone signing it. So, no, there ain&#8217;t no sanity clause.</p>
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		<title>By: cmurphy186</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmurphy186</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 03:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone,

You may well be correct that such a waiver is a standard term and you are certainly correct that such a waiver is a &quot;serious concession and it&#039;s not given up without something in return&quot;.

But the fact is this concession  could have been forced because the counterparties WERE getting something very serious in return, payment on their CDS&#039;s at par rather than what they would have  recieved had AIG failed. Which is what would have happened absent the Fed bailout.  In fact the failure to extract this concession is of a piece with the Fed&#039;s failure to negotiate a haircut.Both instances were simply handouts to the banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone,</p>
<p>You may well be correct that such a waiver is a standard term and you are certainly correct that such a waiver is a &#8220;serious concession and it&#8217;s not given up without something in return&#8221;.</p>
<p>But the fact is this concession  could have been forced because the counterparties WERE getting something very serious in return, payment on their CDS&#8217;s at par rather than what they would have  recieved had AIG failed. Which is what would have happened absent the Fed bailout.  In fact the failure to extract this concession is of a piece with the Fed&#8217;s failure to negotiate a haircut.Both instances were simply handouts to the banks.</p>
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		<title>By: OnTheTimes</title>
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		<dc:creator>OnTheTimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 00:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>someone, the waiver was not in the CDS, it was in the document that gave money to Goldman, and gave nothing to AIG.  The waiver may be boilerplate between two parties who receive some value, but AIG didn&#039;t receive any value at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone, the waiver was not in the CDS, it was in the document that gave money to Goldman, and gave nothing to AIG.  The waiver may be boilerplate between two parties who receive some value, but AIG didn&#8217;t receive any value at all.</p>
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		<title>By: someone.com</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/30/the-inexplicable-aig-waiver/comment-page-1/#comment-16299</link>
		<dc:creator>someone.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 20:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justanotherjoe,

No.  They agreed to use the standard terms that everyone uses.  That language, or language of similar meaning is boilerplate in just about every credit default swap termination agreement.  The notion that there is anything unusual about it is just silly.  In fact the documents look boringly like every other CDS termination agreement.  I don&#039;t know anything about who did the deal or any of that other stuff in your rant, but I do know that.  

If you go to any law firm that handles these agreements - reputable or otherwise - and look at their standard docs, it&#039;ll have those terms.  They&#039;ll take them out, if the client wants them taken out, but it&#039;s a serious concession and it&#039;s not given up without something in return.  That&#039;s pretty rare though, because the whole point of the CDS termination is that everyone agrees that by making the payment, the agreement has been fully satisfied and everyone can go their separate ways and not worry that next month they&#039;ll have to defend a lawsuit for breach of contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justanotherjoe,</p>
<p>No.  They agreed to use the standard terms that everyone uses.  That language, or language of similar meaning is boilerplate in just about every credit default swap termination agreement.  The notion that there is anything unusual about it is just silly.  In fact the documents look boringly like every other CDS termination agreement.  I don&#8217;t know anything about who did the deal or any of that other stuff in your rant, but I do know that.  </p>
<p>If you go to any law firm that handles these agreements &#8211; reputable or otherwise &#8211; and look at their standard docs, it&#8217;ll have those terms.  They&#8217;ll take them out, if the client wants them taken out, but it&#8217;s a serious concession and it&#8217;s not given up without something in return.  That&#8217;s pretty rare though, because the whole point of the CDS termination is that everyone agrees that by making the payment, the agreement has been fully satisfied and everyone can go their separate ways and not worry that next month they&#8217;ll have to defend a lawsuit for breach of contract.</p>
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		<title>By: justanotherjoe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/30/the-inexplicable-aig-waiver/comment-page-1/#comment-16296</link>
		<dc:creator>justanotherjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask Mr. McCain how he voted on the recent package to extend unemployment benefits for those America&#039;s that he was so worried about that would get caught in the crossfire if this company filed for bankrupsy.  Or perhaps those weren&#039;t the American&#039;s he was thinking about in his statement above?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask Mr. McCain how he voted on the recent package to extend unemployment benefits for those America&#8217;s that he was so worried about that would get caught in the crossfire if this company filed for bankrupsy.  Or perhaps those weren&#8217;t the American&#8217;s he was thinking about in his statement above?</p>
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		<title>By: justanotherjoe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/06/30/the-inexplicable-aig-waiver/comment-page-1/#comment-16295</link>
		<dc:creator>justanotherjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way fellow Arizonian&#039;s ask Mr McCain to explain the following:  

&quot;A day after he dismissed a federal bailout for American International Group, Republican John McCain announced Wednesday that circumstances had forced him to shift his position and that he supported the proposed $85 billion rescue of the insurance giant.
McCain, who in recent days has slammed what he called Wall Street greed and corruption for causing the latest downward spiral of the stock market, said he had to change his position on AIG to protect millions of Americans who could be hurt if the company was forced to seek bankruptcy protection.
“The government was forced to commit $85 billion,” McCain said in a statement. “These actions stem from failed regulation, reckless management and a casino culture on Wall Street that has crippled one of the most important companies in America.&quot;

hmmmmmm  wonder where Mr McCain stands on Wall Street Reform today.  Isn&#039;t it time for a changing of the guard in Arizona?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way fellow Arizonian&#8217;s ask Mr McCain to explain the following:  </p>
<p>&#8220;A day after he dismissed a federal bailout for American International Group, Republican John McCain announced Wednesday that circumstances had forced him to shift his position and that he supported the proposed $85 billion rescue of the insurance giant.<br />
McCain, who in recent days has slammed what he called Wall Street greed and corruption for causing the latest downward spiral of the stock market, said he had to change his position on AIG to protect millions of Americans who could be hurt if the company was forced to seek bankruptcy protection.<br />
“The government was forced to commit $85 billion,” McCain said in a statement. “These actions stem from failed regulation, reckless management and a casino culture on Wall Street that has crippled one of the most important companies in America.&#8221;</p>
<p>hmmmmmm  wonder where Mr McCain stands on Wall Street Reform today.  Isn&#8217;t it time for a changing of the guard in Arizona?</p>
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		<title>By: Woltmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woltmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing we can do about it, Big Money owns all the chumps in the US Senate, the Fed and Treasury. As long as Money calls the shots, they have carte blanche and we are screwed ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing we can do about it, Big Money owns all the chumps in the US Senate, the Fed and Treasury. As long as Money calls the shots, they have carte blanche and we are screwed ..</p>
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		<title>By: justanotherjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>justanotherjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 18:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>someone.com..so in legal terms, the two thieves have agreed not to steal from each other?  This thing smelled from day one.  Henry Paulson was the one behind this deal.  First off, most of AIG&#039;s employees were not in America.  They are scattered across the globe.  So the impact of this company failing would have probably had minimal impact on any given country.  This was really all about giving Goldman billions in a back door scheme.  This deal was cooked up by Paulson and the Feds on Friday and done by Sunday.  No due diligence was done nor were there any conditions set for bailing this company out.  Like requiring that the automatic multi-million bonuses to the Financial Products group in London be null and void in order to save the company.  None of these guys would ever in a millions years have done a deal like this if is was their own money at risk.  But they had no problem with it since it was yours and mine they were risking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone.com..so in legal terms, the two thieves have agreed not to steal from each other?  This thing smelled from day one.  Henry Paulson was the one behind this deal.  First off, most of AIG&#8217;s employees were not in America.  They are scattered across the globe.  So the impact of this company failing would have probably had minimal impact on any given country.  This was really all about giving Goldman billions in a back door scheme.  This deal was cooked up by Paulson and the Feds on Friday and done by Sunday.  No due diligence was done nor were there any conditions set for bailing this company out.  Like requiring that the automatic multi-million bonuses to the Financial Products group in London be null and void in order to save the company.  None of these guys would ever in a millions years have done a deal like this if is was their own money at risk.  But they had no problem with it since it was yours and mine they were risking.</p>
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		<title>By: HBC</title>
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		<dc:creator>HBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 18:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone&#039;s being disingenuous. There are a few things in life one should never sign, among them being a 200-page contract with a record company, and this gargantuan piece of ex post facto fluff being another. TISM!

Its terms, upon examination, run contrary to ostensible interest of the bailout funder, who would be the American taxpayer. They do, however, benefit parties proximate to ostensible trustees of the bailout at the New York Fed. The situation is not without partiality, so voiding the covenant.

That there&#039;s nothing customary about such terms being flagrantly inflicted after the fact should be as clear as ones resolve never to tolerate anything like this travesty of a bailout ever happening again, while still going after all the culprits behind the last one, some of whom presently continue holding down jobs at the NY Fed and in Washington DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone&#8217;s being disingenuous. There are a few things in life one should never sign, among them being a 200-page contract with a record company, and this gargantuan piece of ex post facto fluff being another. TISM!</p>
<p>Its terms, upon examination, run contrary to ostensible interest of the bailout funder, who would be the American taxpayer. They do, however, benefit parties proximate to ostensible trustees of the bailout at the New York Fed. The situation is not without partiality, so voiding the covenant.</p>
<p>That there&#8217;s nothing customary about such terms being flagrantly inflicted after the fact should be as clear as ones resolve never to tolerate anything like this travesty of a bailout ever happening again, while still going after all the culprits behind the last one, some of whom presently continue holding down jobs at the NY Fed and in Washington DC.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 18:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few observations:

[Contextual] The waivers are embedded in the CDS Termination Agreements, which tore-up both AIG&#039;s and their Counterparties&#039; obligations w/r/t the covered CDS-on-ABS.  Note that the underlying referenced ABS were simultaneously purchased at [effectively] par value by the FRBNY/AIG-funded Maiden Lane III SPV.

The waiver is bilateral.  Both AIG and Counterparties agree to release each other from claims.

The waiver language appears consistent in many respects to generic claims release terms in a variety of termination contracts, including the language referring to the period &quot;from the beginning of the world to the Termination Date.&quot;  See: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=active&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;q=%22from+the+beginning+of+the+world%22+%22termination+agreement%22+claims+release+unknown&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=&amp;aql=&amp;oq=&amp;gs_rfai=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few observations:</p>
<p>[Contextual] The waivers are embedded in the CDS Termination Agreements, which tore-up both AIG&#8217;s and their Counterparties&#8217; obligations w/r/t the covered CDS-on-ABS.  Note that the underlying referenced ABS were simultaneously purchased at [effectively] par value by the FRBNY/AIG-funded Maiden Lane III SPV.</p>
<p>The waiver is bilateral.  Both AIG and Counterparties agree to release each other from claims.</p>
<p>The waiver language appears consistent in many respects to generic claims release terms in a variety of termination contracts, including the language referring to the period &#8220;from the beginning of the world to the Termination Date.&#8221;  See: <a href='http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;safe=active&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&#038;q=%22from+the+beginning+of+the+world%22+%22termination+agreement%22+claims+release+unknown&#038;aq=f&#038;aqi=&#038;aql=&#038;oq=&#038;gs_rfai='>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;safe= active&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rls=org.mozilla% 3Aen-US%3Aofficial&#038;q=%22from+the+beginni ng+of+the+world%22+%22termination+agreem ent%22+claims+release+unknown&#038;aq=f&#038;aqi=&#038; aql=&#038;oq=&#038;gs_rfai=</a></p>
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		<title>By: someone.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>someone.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not inexplicable at all.  Any lawyer worth their salt would insist on it.  If you look closely, you&#039;ll see that just before that release, the banks agree to a similar waiver of all rights to sue AIG. It&#039;s standard in almost every contract (of any type), and credit default swaps are no exception.  Indeed, it would be much more extraordinary if these two clauses were not included.

The CDS says that if X happens, AIG pays.  When AIG pays, both parties agree that the contract has been satisfied, and release each other from any claims under the contract.  The reason this is standard is that everyone wants to be clear and in agreement that the contract is fully satisfied and they can walk away without worrying about the contract going forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not inexplicable at all.  Any lawyer worth their salt would insist on it.  If you look closely, you&#8217;ll see that just before that release, the banks agree to a similar waiver of all rights to sue AIG. It&#8217;s standard in almost every contract (of any type), and credit default swaps are no exception.  Indeed, it would be much more extraordinary if these two clauses were not included.</p>
<p>The CDS says that if X happens, AIG pays.  When AIG pays, both parties agree that the contract has been satisfied, and release each other from any claims under the contract.  The reason this is standard is that everyone wants to be clear and in agreement that the contract is fully satisfied and they can walk away without worrying about the contract going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: OnTheTimes</title>
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		<dc:creator>OnTheTimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;very smelly&quot;?  It was one of the most blatantly corrupt thefts engineered by the government ever.  The amount the government gets repaid from the liquidation of AIG assets will be equal to how much they stole from AIG, and that doesn&#039;t include the write-down that Goldman and AIG&#039;s other counterparties should have been forced to take for buying out their swaps.  

AIG shareholders were no doubt run over by AIG management, but they then had what was left in their pockets picked by the government, and most of the public still believes AIG was &quot;bailed out&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;very smelly&#8221;?  It was one of the most blatantly corrupt thefts engineered by the government ever.  The amount the government gets repaid from the liquidation of AIG assets will be equal to how much they stole from AIG, and that doesn&#8217;t include the write-down that Goldman and AIG&#8217;s other counterparties should have been forced to take for buying out their swaps.  </p>
<p>AIG shareholders were no doubt run over by AIG management, but they then had what was left in their pockets picked by the government, and most of the public still believes AIG was &#8220;bailed out&#8221;.</p>
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