Comments on: Paying executives in debt http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/07/13/paying-executives-in-debt/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Danny_Black http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/07/13/paying-executives-in-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-16740 Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:02:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4674#comment-16740 Felix, think this guy is a little bit confused. He is confusing people who bought ABSes and the bondholders in the firms. Bond holders most certainly did NOT get screwed in the current environment – with the politically sensitive exceptions of the automakers where the current regime decided to screw bondholders to payoff the people who had caused the automakers to crash in the first place, organised labour.

With the notable exceptions of WaMu and LEH most holders in debt of financial orgs were made whole and it was equity holders who got shafted. Look at Fannie, Freddie, AIG, BSC, C etc. This bondholders got bailed out because they were politically sensitive, such as the chinese and Russians who stood to get killed if the GSEs defaulted or pension funds who invested in “safe debt”.

Also debt is usually considered LESS risky than equity. You are senior in the capital structure and like equity the most you can lose is your principal and you have a contractual arrangement to receive coupon payments unless you are a zero. The only thing that he says that sort of makes sense is that in a near insolvent company a bondholder has more incentive to force a bankruptcy than shareholders because of this seniority

Needless to say if your assumptions are wrong that casts doubt on your conclusions.

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By: Danny_Black http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/07/13/paying-executives-in-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-16739 Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:53:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4674#comment-16739 ExaminerCarter, that is because in alot of cases the financial firms ARE solvent until one day they are not.

HBC, you may have accidently said something intelligent, although I strongly suspect it is not what you actually meant. There is an artificial distinction between “debt” on one hand and “equity” on the other. Both are claims on the cash flows of the company, the standard distinction being that debt carries a fixed return and has priority on cash claims but these days there are many many hybrid products which are one thing to one regulator and another to another regulator.

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By: dWj http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/07/13/paying-executives-in-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-16704 Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:21:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4674#comment-16704 I wonder whether this could usefully be done in terms of bond covenants. In theory, that would reduce borrowing costs, and so the shareholders would be compensated in some proportion to what they might be giving up in terms of favor by the directors (equal to that cost in a Modigliani-Miller world).

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By: HBC http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/07/13/paying-executives-in-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-16692 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:20:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4674#comment-16692 As long as US corporations run their accounting the way Bank of America does, you’ll never know how close they are to insolvency. And they won’t either.

It’s not just debatable accuracy in the numbers – it’s what you mean by “debt” in an age of shifting sands, which might boil down to anything a major corporation can’t get the taxpayer to pay for. Which by recent experience values equates to: “not a whole lot, really”.

The epitome of an American CEO in plausible denial these days seems to be not knowing your assets from a hole in the ground, but getting paid anyway.

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By: Stevensaysyes http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/07/13/paying-executives-in-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-16679 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:06:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4674#comment-16679 AnonymousChef, that’s a good point. Firms on the brink of bankruptcy should clearly be managed with bondholders in mind.

ExaminerCarter, I agree that TBTF financial institutions are a special case where incentivizing managers to maximize equity value is dangerous.

Felix didn’t specify that debt compensation is a good idea primarily for financial firms or firms near insolvency. More generally, I don’t think that executives should be incetivized to protect naive bondholders at the expense of shareholders.

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By: jaltucher http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/07/13/paying-executives-in-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-16677 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:59:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4674#comment-16677 The last thing I’d want as a shareholder is for my CEO to be paid in debt. I want his interests aligned as closely as possible with my own. The debt owners never hesitate to destroy the shareholders. Governance would be awful.

-James Altucher

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By: ExaminerCarter http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/07/13/paying-executives-in-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-16672 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:17:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4674#comment-16672 Anonymouschef,
I imagine that these may be distinctions without difference, as financial firms will perceive they are solvent right up until the moment that they are not.

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By: ExaminerCarter http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/07/13/paying-executives-in-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-16671 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:15:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4674#comment-16671 To Stephensaysyes,
We have a fundamental problem in the governance of financial institutions. Research on typical non-financial companies suggests that managers will take less risk than shareholders desire as they seek to exact rents. But there are certain countervailing incentives at financial institutions that cause managers to increase the risk they are willing to take (the moral hazard of deposit insurance and TBTF status). In addition, the high leverage of a financial institution makes equity based compensation more akin to options. So incenting managers to maximize the value of equity incents them to 1) maximize moral hazard risk, and 2) maximize leverage. Not socially productive things from a systemic POV.

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By: AnonymousChef http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/07/13/paying-executives-in-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-16669 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:13:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4674#comment-16669 Steven,

I’m a bankruptcy attorney. While the law varies from state to state, there is generally some sort of fiduciary duty to creditors when the company is or is nearly insolvent.

In some jurisdictions, this doesn’t give any creditors new rights – its just a gloss on the well-established creditors’ rights to bring suit to avoid fraudulent or preferential transfers.

In other states, directors’ loyalties are flipped to the creditors as the company approaches insolvency (the assets are treated as being held in trust for the creditors).

In yet a third group, the directors have a duty to maximize corporate value, not shareholder value, and so the court will judge whether the levering up was for the benefit of the corporation or just the shareholders.

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By: ExaminerCarter http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/07/13/paying-executives-in-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-16668 Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:10:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=4674#comment-16668 Felix, I suggest reading the following paper from the NY Fed:
http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/staff _reports/sr456.html

Executive Compensation and Risk Taking
June 2010 Number 456
JEL classification: G21, G34

Authors: Patrick Bolton, Hamid Mehran, and Joel Shapiro

Abstract
This paper studies the connection between risk taking and executive compensation in financial institutions. A theoretical model of shareholders, debtholders, depositors, and an executive suggests that 1) in principle, excessive risk taking (in the form of risk shifting) may be addressed by basing compensation on both stock price and the price of debt (proxied by the credit default swap spread), but 2) shareholders may be unable to commit to designing compensation contracts in this way and indeed may not want to because of distortions introduced by either deposit insurance or naive debtholders. The paper then provides an empirical analysis that suggests that debt-like compensation for executives is believed by the market to reduce risk for financial institutions.

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