Comments on: A unified theory of New York biking http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: traducator daneza romana http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-53592 Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:59:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5201#comment-53592 “Those I called desired to take hold of a property and put these individuals available without any subsequent intending according to risk tolerance and / or the things i asked to utilize any property more than a long time,Half inch she states that. “These were being top quality counselors exactly who just didn’t view the everyday life intending costs associated with the serious obstacles of growing aged the united states. With its model, these would not be certain that a funds would certainly be as durable after i could need the idea in order to.

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By: bangzy_ http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-45431 Sat, 05 Jan 2013 19:31:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5201#comment-45431 Great article! As someone who has done their fair share of being a cyclist, motorist, and pedestrian in NY, I think pedestrians could stand to hold themselves a lot more accountable. I personally have made it a point to always stay on the curb when waiting for lights (bc when you’re driving or biking, a narrow lane is a harrowing, frustrating lane), and I think that one act alone could diffuse a lot of road rage.

Also, how about some wrong way signs in bike lanes as a pre-emptive measure? I really think some people just aren’t aware and I think we should attempt to educate before we jump to penalize wrong way bikers. When I was in Seoul last year, every bike lane had wrong way painted in the lanes (facing the biking salmon), seemed very effective.

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By: SpareTheRoad http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-42445 Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:53:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5201#comment-42445 Cyclists are about one thing, creating havoc on the roads to service their egos. There is no complex answer to why cyclists are such a menace on the street. They are social rejects who are a bad hair day away from offing themselves. And as such they use their bikes to tie up traffic and keep people with jobs and families form getting where they need to go.

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By: nc100 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-22229 Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:19:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5201#comment-22229 “motorists, nearly all of whom follow nearly all the rules”

I had to stop reading at this point. What universe do you live in where nearly all motorists follow nearly all the rules, nearly all the time.

At any given intersection, I could sit down and issue a half dozen traffic tickets. EVERY SINGLE LIGHT CYCLE.

And that’s just illegal turns, rushing to push through the red, turning in front of pedestrians, etc. etc. etc.

Add in the constant speeding, the illegal parking, blocking of driveways, follow-to-close… You get the picture.

Nearly all motorists ignore the rules they find inconvenient ALL THE FREAKIN’ TIME.

Pulling out the “motorists follow the rules” line guarantees a loss in any argument, because it’s flat out wrong. Is this a good reason for cyclists to ignore the rules: of course not. But get off the holier-than-thou high horse and accept that it’s human nature to ignore rules when there’s few consequences, and this isn’t a reason to dislike cyclists in particular.

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By: ubicomp http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-22198 Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:52:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5201#comment-22198 Interesting article, and lots of great commentary. I’m another daily bike commuter in SF, rain or shine, year round.

I think there are two main categories of urban cyclist: fast ones who don’t want bike lanes, and slow ones who want bike lanes. I’m in the former category. I ride a bike because it’s healthy and it’s typically much faster to get places around downtown SF than any other mode of transport. I don’t follow every traffic law, but I follow most. I will slow to 5-10mph for stop signs, and stay stopped at most lights. A red light typically means I stop, look in the direction of traffic, and if it’s clear I continue. I always yield to pedestrians, and I generally avoid the bike lanes if there are other cyclists in them because my speed generally matches that of cars. The slower bikers in the bike lanes typically do not show any inclination to pay attention to passing cyclists.

I feel like this is a common-sense approach to urban cycling, even if I’m breaking some laws, but if I eff up I’m the one who gets hurt or killed (not someone else), so I’m pretty incentivised not to.

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By: hsvkitty http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-21190 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:28:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5201#comment-21190 There is always hope for change, but just hoping isn’t what makes it happen

“A recent evening presented a sign that there’s hope for a friendlier future for all commuters. At dusk, a food deliveryman stopped at a red light on Madison Avenue, despite no approaching traffic in the cross street. He was smoking a cigarette—and wearing a helmet. His bicycle even had lights. When the traffic light turned green, he rode off.”

http://tinyurl.com/34ybxjn

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By: miagioia http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-18764 Sat, 25 Sep 2010 04:11:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5201#comment-18764 I enjoyed reading and appreciate your theory, but feel the need to point out something very important…New Yorkers have entitlement issues.  This is very evident in pedestrians disrespect for designated bike lanes, drivers disrespect of cyclists, trucks parking in bike lanes to unload (Rite Aid & McDonalds are consistent offenders), many cyclists disrespect of laws and a general intolerance for anyone getting in anyone elses way.  It’s shocking to see pedestrians step into newly painted (bright green) bike lanes without looking in any direction (including up), because their eyes are glued to a blackberry or phone!  It’s appalling the way delivery guys salmon at top speeds with no helmet and no regard for traffic or law abiding bikers.  FYI…a NYTimes article on Sunday noted there is legislation pending that would make a restaurant liable for their employees violations.  But, how do you enforce bike lanes with pedestrians?  How many violations are written for trucks parking in bike lanes, but perceived as a cost of doing business by large corporations?  When will taxi drivers stop pulling into bike lanes to pick up and disperse passengers?  AND…how do you express to other bikers, that it is incredibly unsafe to be texting or blackberrying while biking!  Seriously.  What is so urgent?   
Cyclists are welcome and respected in most cities around the world, together with pedestrians, autos, motorcycles, buses, taxis & trams.  I have lived and enjoyed biking in a few of these other flexible and tolerant cities.  Unfortunately and oddly, our melting pot of NYC falls far, far behind in terms of flexibility, tolerance and respect of others.  Cycling is an efficient, healthy and convenient way to get around and it’s my preferred mode of transportation.  But, I ride with an awareness of intolerance.  For the my own safety, I keep to segregated bike lanes, mostly 8th & 9th Ave and I obey traffic laws. While it may sound naive, it would be helpful and a lot less frustrating, if everyone just stuck to their designated areas and tolerated each other a little more. 

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By: ErnieMcGray http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-18378 Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:52:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5201#comment-18378 I think you’re a little biased and, frankly, naive, but I’m probably biased-leaning towards cyclists since I cycle everyday in SF, rain or shine.

One statement that makes me laugh is: “But in stark contrast to motorists, nearly all of whom follow nearly all the rules, most cyclists seem to treat the rules of the road as strictly optional.”

Seriously? What world do you live in?!

From running yellow/red lights, to not using turn signals, to opening car doors onto the streets, to speeding, to talking on the phone, auto drivers who are in a 3,000 pound or greater machine endanger lives on a daily basis with their careless behavior. How many people have been killed by a cyclist having to go on the sidewalk to protect themselves from aggressive auto drivers?

In the end, it’s so easy to point fingers and blame others for the problems with street safety. But in reality, it all boils down to each and every one of us following the laws and doing what is best for the community, not just the individual.

Stop pointing fingers and raising the ire of drivers/cyclists/pedestrians and actually instill the need for ALL OF US to take ownership and be considerate of each other and make the right decisions about street safety on a daily basis.

Also, ensure that your city makes intelligent decisions about street safety design, taking into account the entire use of a street and the need to make it more pedestrian friendly, public transportation friendly and cycling friendly. These are the users who are helping the environment as well as bringing a lively community into each neighborhood rather than just rushing through in your big polluting machine, and exhausting our natural resources in the process. Yes, I am biased :)

Cheers,

Ernie

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By: Samira86 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-18350 Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:11:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5201#comment-18350 I haven’t read all the comments, but just wanted to say this. I’m very pro-bike in theory. I love how green and healthy it is, and my father is a hard-core biker-commuter – from park slope to chelsea every day. I wish it was an option for me. Heck, I even wish I could take the subway.

But I commute to work by car. I wish I didn’t have to, but I work on Long Island and it was a job requirement (literally dicated to me when I got the offer). The single most difficult (and longest) part of my commute is navigating downtown brooklyn to the bqe on-ramp. Now, this is difficult enough with just the other cars, which make it something of a death-defying feat every morning. Once you add bikers, however, it gets to a whole new level of nuts. If the cars are stopped or slowed (which is almost always), the bikers, who unfortunately have to circumvent double-parkers, etc., wind up weaving in and around all of the cars to get where they’re going faster, which is, if nothing else, insanely dangerous. They just seem to almost never stay in the actual bike lane. Like the lines are just suggestions. They also don’t seem to be aware (or care) about when we have to share space, like the right turn from Jay Street to Tillary Street. At that turn, the bike lane IS our turn lane – it’s the way it’s painted. But bikers don’t seem to know or care that cars have to cross into the bike lane to turn, and that we can’t turn when we have our turn light if they are hanging out in front of us waiting. It can’t be all our responsibility to make sure that turn is safe for everyone and that the traffic isn’t backed up. There needs to be some mutual respect.

The whole thing is dangerous and frustrating. As you pointed out, cars are often going slower than anyone else on the road, and the bikes just make it worse for us. Not to mention scary (add to the motorist’s fear of children darting out in front of them the fear of highly unpredictable biking habits and bikers’ lack of adherence to traffic rules). I’m not saying get rid of bikes, or even that it’s the biker’s fault every time. In fact I think most of it is due to the fact that we simply don’t have the biking infrastructure or mindset yet, and bikers are sometimes required to put themselves in positions that get in everyone’s way. I’m not even totally clear on the right of way rules with bikes. So I fully admit that the frustration on EVERYONE’S part is well-earned, and I hope we are able to find a way to work together.

But what I can’t stand is the pedistal that some bikers put themselves on, of holier-than-though victimhood rallying against the big bad polluting drivers. Maybe it’s defensivness due to all of the obnoxious drivers out there (which is most of them, I admit), but there seems to be an arrogance level, a self-rightousness that is what is really rubbing everyone the wrong way (and I’m not speaking to anyone here, since, as I’ve said, I didn’t read everything). Like, “we’re better than you because we bike.” Like I should feel guilty for being in my car and therefore have to yield right of way. But I’m not out to get you, and believe me, I wish I wasn’t driving too. I’m just trying to get to work.

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By: jhvu http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-18324 Tue, 14 Sep 2010 05:53:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5201#comment-18324 I agree that wrong-way riding, almost all sidewalk riding, and running lights is awful and should be ticketed. But if a light can’t detect and doesn’t change for cyclists, as they don’t in many places, they should go if there’s no one approaching.

Where I’ll disagree with you is on stop signs. I think it’s perfectly reasonable for a cyclist to slow down at stop signs and roll through slowly if no one is there. Most people don’t know that stop signs only became prevalent after cars became common. It’s harder to see out from them with their pillars and they can cause serious damage, necessitating stop signs and rights of way.

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