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	<title>Comments on: A unified theory of New York biking</title>
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		<title>By: bangzy_</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-45431</link>
		<dc:creator>bangzy_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 19:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! As someone who has done their fair share of being a cyclist, motorist, and pedestrian in NY, I think pedestrians could stand to hold themselves a lot more accountable. I personally have made it a point to always stay on the curb when waiting for lights (bc when you&#039;re driving or biking, a narrow lane is a harrowing, frustrating lane), and I think that one act alone could diffuse a lot of road rage.

Also, how about some wrong way signs in bike lanes as a pre-emptive measure? I really think some people just aren&#039;t aware and I think we should attempt to educate before we jump to penalize wrong way bikers. When I was in Seoul last year, every bike lane had wrong way painted in the lanes (facing the biking salmon), seemed very effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! As someone who has done their fair share of being a cyclist, motorist, and pedestrian in NY, I think pedestrians could stand to hold themselves a lot more accountable. I personally have made it a point to always stay on the curb when waiting for lights (bc when you&#8217;re driving or biking, a narrow lane is a harrowing, frustrating lane), and I think that one act alone could diffuse a lot of road rage.</p>
<p>Also, how about some wrong way signs in bike lanes as a pre-emptive measure? I really think some people just aren&#8217;t aware and I think we should attempt to educate before we jump to penalize wrong way bikers. When I was in Seoul last year, every bike lane had wrong way painted in the lanes (facing the biking salmon), seemed very effective.</p>
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		<title>By: SpareTheRoad</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpareTheRoad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyclists are about one thing, creating havoc on the roads to service their egos. There is no complex answer to why cyclists are such a menace on the street. They are social rejects who are a bad hair day away from offing themselves. And as such they use their bikes to tie up traffic and keep people with jobs and families form getting where they need to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyclists are about one thing, creating havoc on the roads to service their egos. There is no complex answer to why cyclists are such a menace on the street. They are social rejects who are a bad hair day away from offing themselves. And as such they use their bikes to tie up traffic and keep people with jobs and families form getting where they need to go.</p>
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		<title>By: nc100</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-22229</link>
		<dc:creator>nc100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;motorists, nearly all of whom follow nearly all the rules&quot;

I had to stop reading at this point.  What universe do you live in where nearly all motorists follow nearly all the rules, nearly all the time.

At any given intersection, I could sit down and issue a half dozen traffic tickets.  EVERY SINGLE LIGHT CYCLE.

And that&#039;s just illegal turns, rushing to push through the red, turning in front of pedestrians, etc. etc. etc.

Add in the constant speeding, the illegal parking, blocking of driveways, follow-to-close...  You get the picture.

Nearly all motorists ignore the rules they find inconvenient ALL THE FREAKIN&#039; TIME.

Pulling out the &quot;motorists follow the rules&quot; line guarantees a loss in any argument, because it&#039;s flat out wrong.  Is this a good reason for cyclists to ignore the rules: of course not.  But get off the holier-than-thou high horse and accept that it&#039;s human nature to ignore rules when there&#039;s few consequences, and this isn&#039;t a reason to dislike cyclists in particular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;motorists, nearly all of whom follow nearly all the rules&#8221;</p>
<p>I had to stop reading at this point.  What universe do you live in where nearly all motorists follow nearly all the rules, nearly all the time.</p>
<p>At any given intersection, I could sit down and issue a half dozen traffic tickets.  EVERY SINGLE LIGHT CYCLE.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s just illegal turns, rushing to push through the red, turning in front of pedestrians, etc. etc. etc.</p>
<p>Add in the constant speeding, the illegal parking, blocking of driveways, follow-to-close&#8230;  You get the picture.</p>
<p>Nearly all motorists ignore the rules they find inconvenient ALL THE FREAKIN&#8217; TIME.</p>
<p>Pulling out the &#8220;motorists follow the rules&#8221; line guarantees a loss in any argument, because it&#8217;s flat out wrong.  Is this a good reason for cyclists to ignore the rules: of course not.  But get off the holier-than-thou high horse and accept that it&#8217;s human nature to ignore rules when there&#8217;s few consequences, and this isn&#8217;t a reason to dislike cyclists in particular.</p>
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		<title>By: ubicomp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-22198</link>
		<dc:creator>ubicomp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, and lots of great commentary. I&#039;m another daily bike commuter in SF, rain or shine, year round.

I think there are two main categories of urban cyclist: fast ones who don&#039;t want bike lanes, and slow ones who want bike lanes. I&#039;m in the former category. I ride a bike because it&#039;s healthy and it&#039;s typically much faster to get places around downtown SF than any other mode of transport. I don&#039;t follow every traffic law, but I follow most. I will slow to 5-10mph for stop signs, and stay stopped at most lights. A red light typically means I stop, look in the direction of traffic, and if it&#039;s clear I continue. I always yield to pedestrians, and I generally avoid the bike lanes if there are other cyclists in them because my speed generally matches that of cars. The slower bikers in the bike lanes typically do not show any inclination to pay attention to passing cyclists.

I feel like this is a common-sense approach to urban cycling, even if I&#039;m breaking some laws, but if I eff up I&#039;m the one who gets hurt or killed (not someone else), so I&#039;m pretty incentivised not to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, and lots of great commentary. I&#8217;m another daily bike commuter in SF, rain or shine, year round.</p>
<p>I think there are two main categories of urban cyclist: fast ones who don&#8217;t want bike lanes, and slow ones who want bike lanes. I&#8217;m in the former category. I ride a bike because it&#8217;s healthy and it&#8217;s typically much faster to get places around downtown SF than any other mode of transport. I don&#8217;t follow every traffic law, but I follow most. I will slow to 5-10mph for stop signs, and stay stopped at most lights. A red light typically means I stop, look in the direction of traffic, and if it&#8217;s clear I continue. I always yield to pedestrians, and I generally avoid the bike lanes if there are other cyclists in them because my speed generally matches that of cars. The slower bikers in the bike lanes typically do not show any inclination to pay attention to passing cyclists.</p>
<p>I feel like this is a common-sense approach to urban cycling, even if I&#8217;m breaking some laws, but if I eff up I&#8217;m the one who gets hurt or killed (not someone else), so I&#8217;m pretty incentivised not to.</p>
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		<title>By: hsvkitty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-21190</link>
		<dc:creator>hsvkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is always hope for change, but just hoping isn&#039;t what makes it happen  

&quot;A recent evening presented a sign that there&#039;s hope for a friendlier future for all commuters. At dusk, a food deliveryman stopped at a red light on Madison Avenue, despite no approaching traffic in the cross street. He was smoking a cigarette—and wearing a helmet. His bicycle even had lights. When the traffic light turned green, he rode off.&quot;

http://tinyurl.com/34ybxjn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is always hope for change, but just hoping isn&#8217;t what makes it happen  </p>
<p>&#8220;A recent evening presented a sign that there&#8217;s hope for a friendlier future for all commuters. At dusk, a food deliveryman stopped at a red light on Madison Avenue, despite no approaching traffic in the cross street. He was smoking a cigarette—and wearing a helmet. His bicycle even had lights. When the traffic light turned green, he rode off.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href='http://tinyurl.com/34ybxjn'>http://tinyurl.com/34ybxjn</a></p>
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		<title>By: miagioia</title>
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		<dc:creator>miagioia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 04:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading and appreciate your theory, but feel the need to point out something very important...New Yorkers have entitlement issues.  This is very evident in pedestrians disrespect for designated bike lanes, drivers disrespect of cyclists, trucks parking in bike lanes to unload (Rite Aid &amp; McDonalds are consistent offenders), many cyclists disrespect of laws and a general intolerance for anyone getting in anyone elses way.  It&#039;s shocking to see pedestrians step into newly painted (bright green) bike lanes without looking in any direction (including up), because their eyes are glued to a blackberry or phone!  It&#039;s appalling the way delivery guys salmon at top speeds with no helmet and no regard for traffic or law abiding bikers.  FYI...a NYTimes article on Sunday noted there is legislation pending that would make a restaurant liable for their employees violations.  But, how do you enforce bike lanes with pedestrians?  How many violations are written for trucks parking in bike lanes, but perceived as a cost of doing business by large corporations?  When will taxi drivers stop pulling into bike lanes to pick up and disperse passengers?  AND...how do you express to other bikers, that it is incredibly unsafe to be texting or blackberrying while biking!  Seriously.  What is so urgent?   
Cyclists are welcome and respected in most cities around the world, together with pedestrians, autos, motorcycles, buses, taxis &amp; trams.  I have lived and enjoyed biking in a few of these other flexible and tolerant cities.  Unfortunately and oddly, our melting pot of NYC falls far, far behind in terms of flexibility, tolerance and respect of others.  Cycling is an efficient, healthy and convenient way to get around and it&#039;s my preferred mode of transportation.  But, I ride with an awareness of intolerance.  For the my own safety, I keep to segregated bike lanes, mostly 8th &amp; 9th Ave and I obey traffic laws. While it may sound naive, it would be helpful and a lot less frustrating, if everyone just stuck to their designated areas and tolerated each other a little more. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading and appreciate your theory, but feel the need to point out something very important&#8230;New Yorkers have entitlement issues.  This is very evident in pedestrians disrespect for designated bike lanes, drivers disrespect of cyclists, trucks parking in bike lanes to unload (Rite Aid &#038; McDonalds are consistent offenders), many cyclists disrespect of laws and a general intolerance for anyone getting in anyone elses way.  It&#8217;s shocking to see pedestrians step into newly painted (bright green) bike lanes without looking in any direction (including up), because their eyes are glued to a blackberry or phone!  It&#8217;s appalling the way delivery guys salmon at top speeds with no helmet and no regard for traffic or law abiding bikers.  FYI&#8230;a NYTimes article on Sunday noted there is legislation pending that would make a restaurant liable for their employees violations.  But, how do you enforce bike lanes with pedestrians?  How many violations are written for trucks parking in bike lanes, but perceived as a cost of doing business by large corporations?  When will taxi drivers stop pulling into bike lanes to pick up and disperse passengers?  AND&#8230;how do you express to other bikers, that it is incredibly unsafe to be texting or blackberrying while biking!  Seriously.  What is so urgent?   <br />
Cyclists are welcome and respected in most cities around the world, together with pedestrians, autos, motorcycles, buses, taxis &#038; trams.  I have lived and enjoyed biking in a few of these other flexible and tolerant cities.  Unfortunately and oddly, our melting pot of NYC falls far, far behind in terms of flexibility, tolerance and respect of others.  Cycling is an efficient, healthy and convenient way to get around and it&#8217;s my preferred mode of transportation.  But, I ride with an awareness of intolerance.  For the my own safety, I keep to segregated bike lanes, mostly 8th &#038; 9th Ave and I obey traffic laws. While it may sound naive, it would be helpful and a lot less frustrating, if everyone just stuck to their designated areas and tolerated each other a little more. </p>
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		<title>By: ErnieMcGray</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-18378</link>
		<dc:creator>ErnieMcGray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re a little biased and, frankly, naive, but I’m probably biased-leaning towards cyclists since I cycle everyday in SF, rain or shine.

One statement that makes me laugh is: “But in stark contrast to motorists, nearly all of whom follow nearly all the rules, most cyclists seem to treat the rules of the road as strictly optional.”

Seriously? What world do you live in?!

From running yellow/red lights, to not using turn signals, to opening car doors onto the streets, to speeding, to talking on the phone, auto drivers who are in a 3,000 pound or greater machine endanger lives on a daily basis with their careless behavior. How many people have been killed by a cyclist having to go on the sidewalk to protect themselves from aggressive auto drivers?

In the end, it’s so easy to point fingers and blame others for the problems with street safety. But in reality, it all boils down to each and every one of us following the laws and doing what is best for the community, not just the individual.

Stop pointing fingers and raising the ire of drivers/cyclists/pedestrians and actually instill the need for ALL OF US to take ownership and be considerate of each other and make the right decisions about street safety on a daily basis.

Also, ensure that your city makes intelligent decisions about street safety design, taking into account the entire use of a street and the need to make it more pedestrian friendly, public transportation friendly and cycling friendly. These are the users who are helping the environment as well as bringing a lively community into each neighborhood rather than just rushing through in your big polluting machine, and exhausting our natural resources in the process. Yes, I am biased :)

Cheers,

Ernie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re a little biased and, frankly, naive, but I’m probably biased-leaning towards cyclists since I cycle everyday in SF, rain or shine.</p>
<p>One statement that makes me laugh is: “But in stark contrast to motorists, nearly all of whom follow nearly all the rules, most cyclists seem to treat the rules of the road as strictly optional.”</p>
<p>Seriously? What world do you live in?!</p>
<p>From running yellow/red lights, to not using turn signals, to opening car doors onto the streets, to speeding, to talking on the phone, auto drivers who are in a 3,000 pound or greater machine endanger lives on a daily basis with their careless behavior. How many people have been killed by a cyclist having to go on the sidewalk to protect themselves from aggressive auto drivers?</p>
<p>In the end, it’s so easy to point fingers and blame others for the problems with street safety. But in reality, it all boils down to each and every one of us following the laws and doing what is best for the community, not just the individual.</p>
<p>Stop pointing fingers and raising the ire of drivers/cyclists/pedestrians and actually instill the need for ALL OF US to take ownership and be considerate of each other and make the right decisions about street safety on a daily basis.</p>
<p>Also, ensure that your city makes intelligent decisions about street safety design, taking into account the entire use of a street and the need to make it more pedestrian friendly, public transportation friendly and cycling friendly. These are the users who are helping the environment as well as bringing a lively community into each neighborhood rather than just rushing through in your big polluting machine, and exhausting our natural resources in the process. Yes, I am biased :)</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Ernie</p>
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		<title>By: Samira86</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samira86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read all the comments, but just wanted to say this.  I&#039;m very pro-bike in theory.  I love how green and healthy it is, and my father is a hard-core biker-commuter - from park slope to chelsea every day.  I wish it was an option for me.  Heck, I even wish I could take the subway.

But I commute to work by car.  I wish I didn&#039;t have to, but I work on Long Island and it was a job requirement (literally dicated to me when I got the offer).  The single most difficult (and longest) part of my commute is navigating downtown brooklyn to the bqe on-ramp.  Now, this is difficult enough with just the other cars, which make it something of a death-defying feat every morning.  Once you add bikers, however, it gets to a whole new level of nuts.  If the cars are stopped or slowed (which is almost always), the bikers, who unfortunately have to circumvent double-parkers, etc., wind up weaving in and around all of the cars to get where they&#039;re going faster, which is, if nothing else, insanely dangerous.  They just seem to almost never stay in the actual bike lane.  Like the lines are just suggestions.  They also don&#039;t seem to be aware (or care) about when we have to share space, like the right turn from Jay Street to Tillary Street.  At that turn, the bike lane IS our turn lane - it&#039;s the way it&#039;s painted.  But bikers don&#039;t seem to know or care that cars have to cross into the bike lane to turn, and that we can&#039;t turn when we have our turn light if they are hanging out in front of us waiting.  It can&#039;t be all our responsibility to make sure that turn is safe for everyone and that the traffic isn&#039;t backed up.  There needs to be some mutual respect.

The whole thing is dangerous and frustrating.  As you pointed out, cars are often going slower than anyone else on the road, and the bikes just make it worse for us.  Not to mention scary (add to the motorist&#039;s fear of children darting out in front of them the fear of highly unpredictable biking habits and bikers&#039; lack of adherence to traffic rules).  I&#039;m not saying get rid of bikes, or even that it&#039;s the biker&#039;s fault every time.  In fact I think most of it is due to the fact that we simply don&#039;t have the biking infrastructure or mindset yet, and bikers are sometimes required to put themselves in positions that get in everyone&#039;s way.  I&#039;m not even totally clear on the right of way rules with bikes.  So I fully admit that the frustration on EVERYONE&#039;S part is well-earned, and I hope we are able to find a way to work together.

But what I can&#039;t stand is the pedistal that some bikers put themselves on, of holier-than-though victimhood rallying against the big bad polluting drivers.  Maybe it&#039;s defensivness due to all of the obnoxious drivers out there (which is most of them, I admit), but there seems to be an arrogance level, a self-rightousness that is what is really rubbing everyone the wrong way (and I&#039;m not speaking to anyone here, since, as I&#039;ve said, I didn&#039;t read everything).  Like, &quot;we&#039;re better than you because we bike.&quot;  Like I should feel guilty for being in my car and therefore have to yield right of way.  But I&#039;m not out to get you, and believe me, I wish I wasn&#039;t driving too.  I&#039;m just trying to get to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read all the comments, but just wanted to say this.  I&#8217;m very pro-bike in theory.  I love how green and healthy it is, and my father is a hard-core biker-commuter &#8211; from park slope to chelsea every day.  I wish it was an option for me.  Heck, I even wish I could take the subway.</p>
<p>But I commute to work by car.  I wish I didn&#8217;t have to, but I work on Long Island and it was a job requirement (literally dicated to me when I got the offer).  The single most difficult (and longest) part of my commute is navigating downtown brooklyn to the bqe on-ramp.  Now, this is difficult enough with just the other cars, which make it something of a death-defying feat every morning.  Once you add bikers, however, it gets to a whole new level of nuts.  If the cars are stopped or slowed (which is almost always), the bikers, who unfortunately have to circumvent double-parkers, etc., wind up weaving in and around all of the cars to get where they&#8217;re going faster, which is, if nothing else, insanely dangerous.  They just seem to almost never stay in the actual bike lane.  Like the lines are just suggestions.  They also don&#8217;t seem to be aware (or care) about when we have to share space, like the right turn from Jay Street to Tillary Street.  At that turn, the bike lane IS our turn lane &#8211; it&#8217;s the way it&#8217;s painted.  But bikers don&#8217;t seem to know or care that cars have to cross into the bike lane to turn, and that we can&#8217;t turn when we have our turn light if they are hanging out in front of us waiting.  It can&#8217;t be all our responsibility to make sure that turn is safe for everyone and that the traffic isn&#8217;t backed up.  There needs to be some mutual respect.</p>
<p>The whole thing is dangerous and frustrating.  As you pointed out, cars are often going slower than anyone else on the road, and the bikes just make it worse for us.  Not to mention scary (add to the motorist&#8217;s fear of children darting out in front of them the fear of highly unpredictable biking habits and bikers&#8217; lack of adherence to traffic rules).  I&#8217;m not saying get rid of bikes, or even that it&#8217;s the biker&#8217;s fault every time.  In fact I think most of it is due to the fact that we simply don&#8217;t have the biking infrastructure or mindset yet, and bikers are sometimes required to put themselves in positions that get in everyone&#8217;s way.  I&#8217;m not even totally clear on the right of way rules with bikes.  So I fully admit that the frustration on EVERYONE&#8217;S part is well-earned, and I hope we are able to find a way to work together.</p>
<p>But what I can&#8217;t stand is the pedistal that some bikers put themselves on, of holier-than-though victimhood rallying against the big bad polluting drivers.  Maybe it&#8217;s defensivness due to all of the obnoxious drivers out there (which is most of them, I admit), but there seems to be an arrogance level, a self-rightousness that is what is really rubbing everyone the wrong way (and I&#8217;m not speaking to anyone here, since, as I&#8217;ve said, I didn&#8217;t read everything).  Like, &#8220;we&#8217;re better than you because we bike.&#8221;  Like I should feel guilty for being in my car and therefore have to yield right of way.  But I&#8217;m not out to get you, and believe me, I wish I wasn&#8217;t driving too.  I&#8217;m just trying to get to work.</p>
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		<title>By: jhvu</title>
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		<dc:creator>jhvu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 05:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that wrong-way riding, almost all sidewalk riding, and running lights is awful and should be ticketed. But if a light can&#039;t detect and doesn&#039;t change for cyclists, as they don&#039;t in many places, they should go if there&#039;s no one approaching.

Where I&#039;ll disagree with you is on stop signs. I think it&#039;s perfectly reasonable for a cyclist to slow down at stop signs and roll through slowly if no one is there. Most people don&#039;t know that stop signs only became prevalent after cars became common. It&#039;s harder to see out from them with their pillars and they can cause serious damage, necessitating stop signs and rights of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that wrong-way riding, almost all sidewalk riding, and running lights is awful and should be ticketed. But if a light can&#8217;t detect and doesn&#8217;t change for cyclists, as they don&#8217;t in many places, they should go if there&#8217;s no one approaching.</p>
<p>Where I&#8217;ll disagree with you is on stop signs. I think it&#8217;s perfectly reasonable for a cyclist to slow down at stop signs and roll through slowly if no one is there. Most people don&#8217;t know that stop signs only became prevalent after cars became common. It&#8217;s harder to see out from them with their pillars and they can cause serious damage, necessitating stop signs and rights of way.</p>
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		<title>By: jilish_jahammas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-18321</link>
		<dc:creator>jilish_jahammas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 05:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what about Portland?</description>
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		<title>By: ceilidth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-18300</link>
		<dc:creator>ceilidth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the best discussion I&#039;ve read of the reasons for bad bike and motorist behavior.  I&#039;d add a couple of other reasons based on my experience in a very environmentally conscious town where bicyclists believe they are the chosen. These include the belief on the part of some bicycles that they are so morally superior that they don&#039;t need to follow the rules or common sense. Here are some idiotic behaviors I&#039;ve encountered: a biker with a child trailer attached coming down a narrow mountain road at night at speed, wearing dark clothes and no lights and carrying his helmet on his bike bag or the mother teaching her preschooler to ride a bike in a bike lane on one of the busier streets in the city.  At the same time, the police consider it beneath their dignity to enforce laws on lights, etc.  The part that&#039;s especially scary for me when I am bicycling is that a lot of motorists are so angered by stupid bicyclists that those of us who are trying to follow the rules are lumped in with the idiots and cars consider all of us to be illegitimate users of the roads. And please don&#039;t bother to tell me that cars pay for the roads; like almost all bicyclists I also drive a car and there is no comparison between the wear and tear my car causes the road and the wear and tear from my bike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the best discussion I&#8217;ve read of the reasons for bad bike and motorist behavior.  I&#8217;d add a couple of other reasons based on my experience in a very environmentally conscious town where bicyclists believe they are the chosen. These include the belief on the part of some bicycles that they are so morally superior that they don&#8217;t need to follow the rules or common sense. Here are some idiotic behaviors I&#8217;ve encountered: a biker with a child trailer attached coming down a narrow mountain road at night at speed, wearing dark clothes and no lights and carrying his helmet on his bike bag or the mother teaching her preschooler to ride a bike in a bike lane on one of the busier streets in the city.  At the same time, the police consider it beneath their dignity to enforce laws on lights, etc.  The part that&#8217;s especially scary for me when I am bicycling is that a lot of motorists are so angered by stupid bicyclists that those of us who are trying to follow the rules are lumped in with the idiots and cars consider all of us to be illegitimate users of the roads. And please don&#8217;t bother to tell me that cars pay for the roads; like almost all bicyclists I also drive a car and there is no comparison between the wear and tear my car causes the road and the wear and tear from my bike.</p>
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		<title>By: paraplegic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-18292</link>
		<dc:creator>paraplegic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a paraplegic for 34 years I have been pushed off of sidewalks and curbramps by bicyclists who care not a wit about the laws governing bicyclists. I recently returned from Fort Lauderdale, where although there were bike lanes everywhere, bicyclists rode on the sidewalks and two times they crashed into me, laughing withoug apologizing. Why do cities spend so much money on taking away valuable street space to build bide lanes if they are not used?  

And why are bike racks built on sidewalks instead of on the street; it they are street vehicles legally, why take away from precious sidewalk space and make people in wheelchair and the blind have to manuever around them. Why design these racks so that they have to ride up on the wheelchair ramps to park their bikes. Why do bicyclists not stop for pedestrians and wheelchair users in intersections. 

The police need to ticket all scofflaws of bikes and wipe that superior attitude off their faces. If you criticixe a bike user you are yelled at and pushed over the curb. I carry a stick with me now and will stick it in between the spokes of bikes users if they violate the laws and my space. I have given up complaining to city officials who could care less. And bikers constantly then play the victim card about how hard it is for them. Try a wheelchair for a few weeks. Selfish jerks most of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a paraplegic for 34 years I have been pushed off of sidewalks and curbramps by bicyclists who care not a wit about the laws governing bicyclists. I recently returned from Fort Lauderdale, where although there were bike lanes everywhere, bicyclists rode on the sidewalks and two times they crashed into me, laughing withoug apologizing. Why do cities spend so much money on taking away valuable street space to build bide lanes if they are not used?  </p>
<p>And why are bike racks built on sidewalks instead of on the street; it they are street vehicles legally, why take away from precious sidewalk space and make people in wheelchair and the blind have to manuever around them. Why design these racks so that they have to ride up on the wheelchair ramps to park their bikes. Why do bicyclists not stop for pedestrians and wheelchair users in intersections. </p>
<p>The police need to ticket all scofflaws of bikes and wipe that superior attitude off their faces. If you criticixe a bike user you are yelled at and pushed over the curb. I carry a stick with me now and will stick it in between the spokes of bikes users if they violate the laws and my space. I have given up complaining to city officials who could care less. And bikers constantly then play the victim card about how hard it is for them. Try a wheelchair for a few weeks. Selfish jerks most of them.</p>
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		<title>By: onanov</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-18287</link>
		<dc:creator>onanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 03:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of what I&#039;m reading here except for the issue of stop signs and traffic lights.  I don&#039;t think bikes should be treated exactly like cars by law because the traffic laws written for driver safety work against the safety and practicality of cycling. Idaho has a law that allows cyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs, later amended to allow cyclists to treat traffic lights as stop signs.  For more information, check out the wonderful, explanatory video here: http://vimeo.com/4140910</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of what I&#8217;m reading here except for the issue of stop signs and traffic lights.  I don&#8217;t think bikes should be treated exactly like cars by law because the traffic laws written for driver safety work against the safety and practicality of cycling. Idaho has a law that allows cyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs, later amended to allow cyclists to treat traffic lights as stop signs.  For more information, check out the wonderful, explanatory video here: <a href='http://vimeo.com/4140910'>http://vimeo.com/4140910</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lightsleeper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-18281</link>
		<dc:creator>Lightsleeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bike lanes, like pedestrian crosswalks, are a means of stealing rights from non-motorists and granting them to motorists. Under the auspices of safety, we take away the fundamental ability to walk on the public way, and funnel pedestrians into restricted &quot;walking zones.&quot; The assumption is that it is reasonable for a car to be traveling at 30mph through an urban area, and others must make accommodations. Perfectly ridiculous when you examine it, but that frog has already been boiled.

Imagine if most of the population went about waving loaded pistols, and our solution was to say: &quot;Well, we can&#039;t do anything about that, but if everyone will stay behind these protective walls, we should mostly be safe. And of course we can&#039;t blame the gun wavers.&quot;

Bike lanes create the idea that cyclists aren&#039;t vehicles (which they are, by convention and by law), and that if they don&#039;t have a lane of their own, they shouldn&#039;t be on the road. This is a poisonous idea, because—as you state—if they aren&#039;t vehicles, they will behave as &quot;pedestrians.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bike lanes, like pedestrian crosswalks, are a means of stealing rights from non-motorists and granting them to motorists. Under the auspices of safety, we take away the fundamental ability to walk on the public way, and funnel pedestrians into restricted &#8220;walking zones.&#8221; The assumption is that it is reasonable for a car to be traveling at 30mph through an urban area, and others must make accommodations. Perfectly ridiculous when you examine it, but that frog has already been boiled.</p>
<p>Imagine if most of the population went about waving loaded pistols, and our solution was to say: &#8220;Well, we can&#8217;t do anything about that, but if everyone will stay behind these protective walls, we should mostly be safe. And of course we can&#8217;t blame the gun wavers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bike lanes create the idea that cyclists aren&#8217;t vehicles (which they are, by convention and by law), and that if they don&#8217;t have a lane of their own, they shouldn&#8217;t be on the road. This is a poisonous idea, because—as you state—if they aren&#8217;t vehicles, they will behave as &#8220;pedestrians.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: festus800</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/03/a-unified-theory-of-new-york-biking/comment-page-2/#comment-18279</link>
		<dc:creator>festus800</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the attempt to think through a solution, but find Felix&#039;s post overly simplistic and misguided in a lot of ways.  I&#039;ve bike commuted for several years in both Chicago and New York, and think that bikers do sometimes need to pay better attention to traffic lights and just have more consideration for drivers and pedestrians.  But overall, I agree with LilBoxer above that bikers are not motorists or pedestrians, and need to be appreciated as a third category.  The rules for motorists were not created for bikers, and the streets were not designed for biker traffic. If I literally follow the rules of the road it creates MORE danger in many circumstances.  The example of Milwaukee Avenue in Chicago is a great one, but basically anytime there is a stop light drivers (though they express annoyance) do not actually want bikers to wait for it to turn green.  It jams up the intersection and slows down the traffic, creating hazards for both bikers and motorists.  For example, at one intersection in Brooklyn that has cops in the morning directing traffic and making sure no bikers leave before the light turns green, drivers become visibly annoyed when they have to go slowly through the intersection because of the mass of bikers (and sometimes end up doing dangerous things like trying to pass a bike within the lane), and for the bikers it&#039;s less safe b/c you are forced to ride alongside the traffic, often inches away from a moving car.  (A friend of a friend died in just this way in Chicago, when she fell off her bike and went under the wheels of a huge truck.)  

Another point: why would I WANT to ride on the sidewalk? The only time I do that is when it&#039;s impossible to ride on the street b/c of construction, buses/trucks stopped on the right side, or too swift traffic.  It&#039;s not that I think I&#039;m a pedestrian, but that the streets are often unaccomodating to bikers: here, you (felix) make it seem like it&#039;s a question of biker attitude rather than the practical problems biking in the city poses.

All in all, over the past 6 years I&#039;ve learned that many of the issues between bikers and motorists, and bikers and pedestrians, have improved simply b/c people are more and more aware of bikers as separate from both categories.  That&#039;s how it should be.  But continued improvement will happen not just when the city builds more bike lanes (which helps), but when people stop acting like assholes out there. Drivers need to stop honking, stop taking turns or opening doors without looking, stop revving up around bikers; Bikers need to stop acting like they have a god given right to run red lights and ride at racing speed on the streets, stop wearing headphones; and pedestrians just need to stop being clueless as to bike traffic and pay attention (the biggest problem) and get out of the way.  For the most part, I do find NYC pretty accommodating (even the taxi drivers!) for biking, and am surprised at how safe I feel on the streets.  Much less stressful than subway commuting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the attempt to think through a solution, but find Felix&#8217;s post overly simplistic and misguided in a lot of ways.  I&#8217;ve bike commuted for several years in both Chicago and New York, and think that bikers do sometimes need to pay better attention to traffic lights and just have more consideration for drivers and pedestrians.  But overall, I agree with LilBoxer above that bikers are not motorists or pedestrians, and need to be appreciated as a third category.  The rules for motorists were not created for bikers, and the streets were not designed for biker traffic. If I literally follow the rules of the road it creates MORE danger in many circumstances.  The example of Milwaukee Avenue in Chicago is a great one, but basically anytime there is a stop light drivers (though they express annoyance) do not actually want bikers to wait for it to turn green.  It jams up the intersection and slows down the traffic, creating hazards for both bikers and motorists.  For example, at one intersection in Brooklyn that has cops in the morning directing traffic and making sure no bikers leave before the light turns green, drivers become visibly annoyed when they have to go slowly through the intersection because of the mass of bikers (and sometimes end up doing dangerous things like trying to pass a bike within the lane), and for the bikers it&#8217;s less safe b/c you are forced to ride alongside the traffic, often inches away from a moving car.  (A friend of a friend died in just this way in Chicago, when she fell off her bike and went under the wheels of a huge truck.)  </p>
<p>Another point: why would I WANT to ride on the sidewalk? The only time I do that is when it&#8217;s impossible to ride on the street b/c of construction, buses/trucks stopped on the right side, or too swift traffic.  It&#8217;s not that I think I&#8217;m a pedestrian, but that the streets are often unaccomodating to bikers: here, you (felix) make it seem like it&#8217;s a question of biker attitude rather than the practical problems biking in the city poses.</p>
<p>All in all, over the past 6 years I&#8217;ve learned that many of the issues between bikers and motorists, and bikers and pedestrians, have improved simply b/c people are more and more aware of bikers as separate from both categories.  That&#8217;s how it should be.  But continued improvement will happen not just when the city builds more bike lanes (which helps), but when people stop acting like assholes out there. Drivers need to stop honking, stop taking turns or opening doors without looking, stop revving up around bikers; Bikers need to stop acting like they have a god given right to run red lights and ride at racing speed on the streets, stop wearing headphones; and pedestrians just need to stop being clueless as to bike traffic and pay attention (the biggest problem) and get out of the way.  For the most part, I do find NYC pretty accommodating (even the taxi drivers!) for biking, and am surprised at how safe I feel on the streets.  Much less stressful than subway commuting.</p>
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