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		<title>By: sanserve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/28/beware-municipal-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-23288</link>
		<dc:creator>sanserve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insured, Tax Free, Municipal Bond CEFs Yielding nearly 7%. Interested? 

For the second time in recent years, we have a tremendous opportunity in high quality municipal CEFs --- don&#039;t miss it!

Of course you should be interested!

There are at least eight reasonable explanations for recent Municipal Bond price weakness --- there are at least eight excellent reasons why investors should be viewing this weakness as a buying opportunity.

Contact Steve for a list of ten Closed End Funds to check out for appropriateness.
http://kiawahgolfinvestmentseminars.net/Inv/index.cfm/18393</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insured, Tax Free, Municipal Bond CEFs Yielding nearly 7%. Interested? </p>
<p>For the second time in recent years, we have a tremendous opportunity in high quality municipal CEFs &#8212; don&#8217;t miss it!</p>
<p>Of course you should be interested!</p>
<p>There are at least eight reasonable explanations for recent Municipal Bond price weakness &#8212; there are at least eight excellent reasons why investors should be viewing this weakness as a buying opportunity.</p>
<p>Contact Steve for a list of ten Closed End Funds to check out for appropriateness.<br />
<a href='http://kiawahgolfinvestmentseminars.net/Inv/index.cfm/18393'>http://kiawahgolfinvestmentseminars.net/ Inv/index.cfm/18393</a></p>
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		<title>By: tscott3</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/28/beware-municipal-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-18930</link>
		<dc:creator>tscott3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tax increases will be a forced issue. Then the questions becomes who pays, those who benefited the most or those who benefited the least from lowered taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tax increases will be a forced issue. Then the questions becomes who pays, those who benefited the most or those who benefited the least from lowered taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: wcw</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/28/beware-municipal-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-18893</link>
		<dc:creator>wcw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CA&#039;s problem is GOP obstruction of tax increases.  The state can easily pay for its debt.  So your predictions are not, pace Whitney, analysis but political speculation: that the state GOP is willing to push the state government not just into stress, but also into default.

Me, I don&#039;t see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CA&#8217;s problem is GOP obstruction of tax increases.  The state can easily pay for its debt.  So your predictions are not, pace Whitney, analysis but political speculation: that the state GOP is willing to push the state government not just into stress, but also into default.</p>
<p>Me, I don&#8217;t see it.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonymousChef</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnonymousChef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I guess in that case maybe -- just maybe -- the Fed starts buying California bonds. Probably still worth more than the AAA subprime mortgages they bought earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I guess in that case maybe &#8212; just maybe &#8212; the Fed starts buying California bonds. Probably still worth more than the AAA subprime mortgages they bought earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonymousChef</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/28/beware-municipal-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-18884</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonymousChef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Felix here. With California and Illinois likely first to go, the Feds will have to step in.

Of course, who knows - we might have a Congress that would happily plunge us into the dark ages to avoid giving a bailout in six months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Felix here. With California and Illinois likely first to go, the Feds will have to step in.</p>
<p>Of course, who knows &#8211; we might have a Congress that would happily plunge us into the dark ages to avoid giving a bailout in six months.</p>
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		<title>By: ckbryant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/28/beware-municipal-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-18872</link>
		<dc:creator>ckbryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;THE mot juste?&quot;  Oh boy, does that ever clang. No half-measures in linguistic snootiness, yes?  That sort of thing is only for hoi polloi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;THE mot juste?&#8221;  Oh boy, does that ever clang. No half-measures in linguistic snootiness, yes?  That sort of thing is only for hoi polloi.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick_Gogerty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/28/beware-municipal-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-18862</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick_Gogerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a look at debt to GDP with state debt added in. http://www.gogerty.com/?p=1438</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a look at debt to GDP with state debt added in. <a href='http://www.gogerty.com/?p=1438'>http://www.gogerty.com/?p=1438</a></p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/28/beware-municipal-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-18857</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 03:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;m sorry, Felix, but your comment about insurance is so 2007. Didn&#039;t you hear that the monolines largely went toes-up? And investors don&#039;t trust the ones that remain because their ratings aren&#039;t Aaa and aren&#039;t stable, so there&#039;s not nearly the marketing advantage to having insurance. As a result cities don&#039;t pay for it.

Many issuers have since been refunding their (insured) debt at lower rates with (uninsured) new bonds. Oh, and with lower interest rates, that&#039;s improving their finances. But I bet that&#039;s not in Meredith&#039;s report, nor is the fact that debt service for all state, county, and city/town debt is only about 1.5% of the economy. That figure, by the way, assumes debt retirement, not just interest payments.

But I&#039;m guessing that that&#039;s not in the report, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m sorry, Felix, but your comment about insurance is so 2007. Didn&#8217;t you hear that the monolines largely went toes-up? And investors don&#8217;t trust the ones that remain because their ratings aren&#8217;t Aaa and aren&#8217;t stable, so there&#8217;s not nearly the marketing advantage to having insurance. As a result cities don&#8217;t pay for it.</p>
<p>Many issuers have since been refunding their (insured) debt at lower rates with (uninsured) new bonds. Oh, and with lower interest rates, that&#8217;s improving their finances. But I bet that&#8217;s not in Meredith&#8217;s report, nor is the fact that debt service for all state, county, and city/town debt is only about 1.5% of the economy. That figure, by the way, assumes debt retirement, not just interest payments.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m guessing that that&#8217;s not in the report, either.</p>
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		<title>By: FelixSalmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>FelixSalmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 01:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why am I so confident of a Federal bailout of the States? Because California will be the first to go, and it&#039;s TBTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why am I so confident of a Federal bailout of the States? Because California will be the first to go, and it&#8217;s TBTF?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Walker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/28/beware-municipal-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-18849</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim_Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before jumping to conclusions it pays to look at the facts.

As of today,  according to Bondview.com,  there are $2.8 trillion in outstanding muni bonds and 99.7%  have not  defaulted.  That leaves about .03% of muni bond that have defaulted. Of those, most are not safe sector bonds  like land use (ie, Florida housing developments) , private activity ie, (Harrisburg Incinerator), Hospital, Casino, Retirement. 

Safe Sector bonds like General Obligation, water, sewer, power rarely default. We are only now seeing the outcome of defaults. In almost all cases, the state has stepped into and taken over the finances of the local municipality until they can get back on their feet. Harrisburg, PA. is a good example.

To see a portfolio  of  muni bond defaults go to:

http://www.bondview.com/reportcard/index/portfolio/656
 
Good Luck To All
Jim Walker
www.BondView.com


But this is all just common sense. The best way to see whats happening in the muni marketplace if to</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before jumping to conclusions it pays to look at the facts.</p>
<p>As of today,  according to Bondview.com,  there are $2.8 trillion in outstanding muni bonds and 99.7%  have not  defaulted.  That leaves about .03% of muni bond that have defaulted. Of those, most are not safe sector bonds  like land use (ie, Florida housing developments) , private activity ie, (Harrisburg Incinerator), Hospital, Casino, Retirement. </p>
<p>Safe Sector bonds like General Obligation, water, sewer, power rarely default. We are only now seeing the outcome of defaults. In almost all cases, the state has stepped into and taken over the finances of the local municipality until they can get back on their feet. Harrisburg, PA. is a good example.</p>
<p>To see a portfolio  of  muni bond defaults go to:</p>
<p><a href='http://www.bondview.com/reportcard/index/portfolio/656'>http://www.bondview.com/reportcard/index &nbsp;/portfolio/656</a></p>
<p>Good Luck To All<br />
Jim Walker<br />
<a href='http://www.BondView.com'>http://www.BondView.com</a></p>
<p>But this is all just common sense. The best way to see whats happening in the muni marketplace if to</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/28/beware-municipal-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-18848</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When did Meredith Whitney become an expert at municipal finance? I recall seeing her work away in the trenches for years as a bank analyst. But when did she become an expert in public finance?

There are a lot of factors involved in Chapter 9 bankruptcy, or Chapter 11 of municipal corporations. Have you seen a decent predictive model of municipal default? I thought not. 

Felix, why are you so confident of a Federal bailout of the States? Is it because of the precedent of Arkansas in 1937? What makes you so sure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did Meredith Whitney become an expert at municipal finance? I recall seeing her work away in the trenches for years as a bank analyst. But when did she become an expert in public finance?</p>
<p>There are a lot of factors involved in Chapter 9 bankruptcy, or Chapter 11 of municipal corporations. Have you seen a decent predictive model of municipal default? I thought not. </p>
<p>Felix, why are you so confident of a Federal bailout of the States? Is it because of the precedent of Arkansas in 1937? What makes you so sure?</p>
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		<title>By: y2kurtus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/28/beware-municipal-bonds/comment-page-1/#comment-18844</link>
		<dc:creator>y2kurtus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muni Bond Insurance is the definition of a suckers bet. You can&#039;t buy insurance on the end of the world that will actually pay you off because hey it&#039;s the end of the world. We tried this already with AAA rated MBS backed CDO&#039;s... they didn&#039;t pay 1/10th of what they promised. They claimed that the policys were invalid because the risks were misrepresented ect. 

That&#039;s all they could do afterall... the Monolines took in premiums of less than 1% of what they insured... so a 2% default rate would have wiped them out... what they got was more like a 20% default rate! 

It will be the same with Muni bonds as it was with AAA MBS... they will simply pay out the coupons until they can&#039;t. Any economic enviroment that causes major municipality A to default will likely have the same effect on municipality B. 

What will be interesting is the conflict between the state and feds and the states and the locals. I think you will need to see public elections invalidated because locals will always vote their way out of paying. 

IE... we borrowed too heavily for our new school/communitycenter/officepark/wasteincenerator/seniorcenter and now the bill is comming due and we revuse to raise property taxes 100% to cover the short fall... we vote to default. The govenor of that state is going to have something to say about that. If he or she dosen&#039;t than the Feds are going to have something to say about that... ect. 

The era of free rides is comming to a close and the era of consequences is upon us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muni Bond Insurance is the definition of a suckers bet. You can&#8217;t buy insurance on the end of the world that will actually pay you off because hey it&#8217;s the end of the world. We tried this already with AAA rated MBS backed CDO&#8217;s&#8230; they didn&#8217;t pay 1/10th of what they promised. They claimed that the policys were invalid because the risks were misrepresented ect. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s all they could do afterall&#8230; the Monolines took in premiums of less than 1% of what they insured&#8230; so a 2% default rate would have wiped them out&#8230; what they got was more like a 20% default rate! </p>
<p>It will be the same with Muni bonds as it was with AAA MBS&#8230; they will simply pay out the coupons until they can&#8217;t. Any economic enviroment that causes major municipality A to default will likely have the same effect on municipality B. </p>
<p>What will be interesting is the conflict between the state and feds and the states and the locals. I think you will need to see public elections invalidated because locals will always vote their way out of paying. </p>
<p>IE&#8230; we borrowed too heavily for our new school/communitycenter/officepark/wastei ncenerator/seniorcenter and now the bill is comming due and we revuse to raise property taxes 100% to cover the short fall&#8230; we vote to default. The govenor of that state is going to have something to say about that. If he or she dosen&#8217;t than the Feds are going to have something to say about that&#8230; ect. </p>
<p>The era of free rides is comming to a close and the era of consequences is upon us!</p>
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		<title>By: KidDynamite</title>
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		<dc:creator>KidDynamite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the Fortune article puts the deficit at a mere $192 Billion... that&#039;s nothing Bernanke couldn&#039;t take care of in a few weeks - the Fed can just buy the States&#039; debt. (/sarcasm, kinda) 

*shaking head sadly, hoping this doesn&#039;t happen*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Fortune article puts the deficit at a mere $192 Billion&#8230; that&#8217;s nothing Bernanke couldn&#8217;t take care of in a few weeks &#8211; the Fed can just buy the States&#8217; debt. (/sarcasm, kinda) </p>
<p>*shaking head sadly, hoping this doesn&#8217;t happen*</p>
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