Comments on: Elizabeth Warren’s principles http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/30/elizabeth-warrens-principles/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: hsvkitty http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/30/elizabeth-warrens-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-18999 Sun, 03 Oct 2010 01:52:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5580#comment-18999 Ted K seems like a standup guy with his own brand of magic… and wish he were from up North of me… sadly he is American. Did you mean because he is so obviously bright?

And it’s loonies… after the Canadian Loon on the one dollar coin.

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By: Uncle_Billy http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/30/elizabeth-warrens-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-18979 Sat, 02 Oct 2010 08:06:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5580#comment-18979 Oh Kitty, have I got a guy for you. Head on over to the Baseline blog and work your magic on Ted K. I think he lives in Garden City. Don’t take any wooden Lunies.

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By: hsvkitty http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/30/elizabeth-warrens-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-18950 Fri, 01 Oct 2010 14:51:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5580#comment-18950 @Uncle BillyInnuendo can come back to bite you in the endo Uncle Billy. I am sure anyone with access to your internet cache of searches could probably piece together a not so squeaky clean history as well. Tell a friend when you have a heart attack looking at it, to be sure that erasing it is the first thing he does.

I hope my assumptions and innuendo don’t hurt your credibility!

@Publius 90m? ermm I think not… 90k is a little less then 90m and she didn’t take a Government position. She was doing the consulting before she was asked to work on the commission.

She worked part time doing what she had been doing all along… but now that she HAS a Government position she has stopped doing all work outside of her new position… nice way to twist it all though!

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By: Uncle_Billy http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/30/elizabeth-warrens-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-18943 Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:58:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5580#comment-18943 That’s a phony scandal, Publius, meant to absorb attacks on her credibility and deflect inquiry into her other earlier activities, like the work she did in the land of NextWave, and probably other things that haven’t surfaced yet. Someone with proper legal database access could probably, easily, piece together a not so squeaky-clean CV.

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By: Publius http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/30/elizabeth-warrens-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-18939 Fri, 01 Oct 2010 03:47:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5580#comment-18939 What are the principles involved in receiving $90m as an expert witness in a lawsuit against a financial services company and then taking a government position as a regulator of said company? And if we are principles-based, the defense that counsel signed off on it so its okay–a rules-based defense if I ever heard one–doesn’t fly.

Warren appears to have an agenda. The principles-based approach may give her enough slack to enforce that agenda. She reminds me of Lillian Rearden.

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By: Uncle_Billy http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/30/elizabeth-warrens-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-18937 Fri, 01 Oct 2010 00:02:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5580#comment-18937 If there’s nothing to watch, we don’t have to worry about the watchers’ watchers.

Did we ever figure out who engaged Warren to write a brief for the Supreme Court on behalf of the creditors of NextWave?

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By: MarkWolfinger http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/30/elizabeth-warrens-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-18924 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:14:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5580#comment-18924 It’s all about integrity. If business had any, the free markets would work and regulators would not be needed.

If serving customers and helping both your own business and your customer meant anything, there would be no need for regulators.

I love Warren’s approach. But unless some really big people forcefully get behind her, she will be buried by the lobbyists who bribe legislators.

I want Obama to loudly support her every effort. I want to see some effort to instill integrity in government and industry, and even the military. [I know, not possible]

Mark
http://blog.mdwoptions.com

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By: br_add http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/30/elizabeth-warrens-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-18923 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:13:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5580#comment-18923 In the US, the CFTC is principles-based regulator. At the end of the day though, the CFTC does a lot of rulemaking with a lot of lawyerly type stuff. My impression is some of this can be attributed to the fact there is some market overlap with the SEC, which makes me wonder how principles-based the CFPB can stay when there are a lot of rules-based regulators its going to have to co-ordinate with.
And AnonymousChef’s point stands how principles can be easily subverted depending on who is overseeing the principles. Makes me kinda wistful for the vanilla (or more radically, public) option for consumer financial products.

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By: AABender1 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/30/elizabeth-warrens-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-18920 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:49:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5580#comment-18920 Felix, be careful what you wish for.

As AnonymousChef notes, principles-based regulation is subject to even wider subjective interpretation, haphazard implementation and inherent abuse than rules-based regulation.

If you support principles-based regulations, you need to ask yourself Juvenal’s question: Qui custodiet ipsos custodes? (Who watches the Watchmen themselves?)

The answer: no one regulates the regulators themselves.

Regulatory agencies have no ongoing real oversight for sins of omission or for sins of commission. And they are government employees, effectively getting sinecures for life. Consequently, it is hard to get anyone fired or replaced for either type of sin.

Regulatory agencies fear only two groups–the various Offices of the Inspector General (OIG) and the infrequent but public Congressional Hearing.

The OIG typically performs only technical or statutory audits (e.g. check the OIG site at ustreas.gov, for example). And the Congressional hearings usually happen way too long after the fact to be effective during the economic cycle.

For example from 2002-2007, bank regulators lacked all conviction for credit issues but displayed a deep passionate intensity to prosecute Patriot Act and BSA/AML technicalities. Even with rules-based regulation, bank examiners spent more time on reviewing the timing of SAR filings than enforcing a prudent ratio of construction loans to capital.

But under a principles-based regulation regime, there might have been no asset quality tests at all from 2002-2007 because there were near zero default rates. Everything seemed so peachy, why bother?

So principles-based regulation works better only when you have a governance mechanism that calls regulators to the carpet for: (i)not doing their job, or alternatively (ii) overdoing their job. And it works better only when there is a mechanism that enforces counter-cyclical regulatory behavior.

In the absence of such governance mechanisms, I’ll take the admittedly flawed rules-based approach.

Viewed through this prism of the lack of regulatory Watchmen, the fact that Congress, through Dodd-Frank, passed the buck to unwatched principles-based regulatory agencies bodes ill for any real, stable, lasting improvement in the oversight of the U.S. financial system by US regulators.

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By: AnonymousChef http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/09/30/elizabeth-warrens-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-18918 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:48:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=5580#comment-18918 Felix,

I think this is a little bit too rosy on principles-based approaches, Felix. I’m not saying it isn’t superior to rules based approaches – it probably is, at least under Prof. Warren – but I think we need to acknowledge the drawbacks, of which I think there are two big ones:

(1) I love Elizabeth Warren as a principles-based regulator. But eventually she’s going to be replaced by a partisan Republican. Its much easier to interpret your principles laxly than it is to repeal rules, both politically and administratively.

(2) Banks don’t get nearly as good notice of what they should be doing under a principles-based approach. I’m not shedding any tears for banks that don’t realize they shouldn’t be fooling with the order of payment to create as many overdraft fees as possible.

What I’m worried about is regulators with goofy thoughts about what is bad for consumers, or who can be lobbied by competing banks into holding goofy thoughts about what is bad for consumers, being able to tar banks who did nothing wrong and didn’t know someone thought they were doing something wrong. I’m thinking of the SEC’s conclusions that short-sellers were moral monsters and needed to be stopped here.

Yes, silly rules can be written – but at least you’ll know about them in advance.

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