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	<title>Comments on: Regulators have known about the mortgage bond scandal for three years</title>
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		<title>By: Danny_Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny_Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 13:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mattski, first of all this was demand driven by the buyside.  Secondly, of all the players involved the buyside are the ones who have a clear cut fiduciary responsibility to due proper due diligence not the sellside.  They are the ones who get paid to do exactly that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mattski, first of all this was demand driven by the buyside.  Secondly, of all the players involved the buyside are the ones who have a clear cut fiduciary responsibility to due proper due diligence not the sellside.  They are the ones who get paid to do exactly that.</p>
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		<title>By: mattski</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny Black:  &quot;not really a conspiracy more just incentives&quot;

Sure, but incentives (misaligned) result in moral hazard and/or corruption, simply put.  And to an outsider the entire system looks corrupt if it succumbs to this sort of event.  Which it did!

Btw, when you say the asset managers were the &quot;root cause of the crisis&quot; I think that you&#039;re going too far.  What makes them especially culpable, more so than the originators of the assets who evidently were selective in their disclosure of info?  I take your point that the asset managers are culpable.  I think misaligned incentives really means that *anyone* with an incentive to perpetuate this kind of nonsense is also culpable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny Black:  &#8220;not really a conspiracy more just incentives&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure, but incentives (misaligned) result in moral hazard and/or corruption, simply put.  And to an outsider the entire system looks corrupt if it succumbs to this sort of event.  Which it did!</p>
<p>Btw, when you say the asset managers were the &#8220;root cause of the crisis&#8221; I think that you&#8217;re going too far.  What makes them especially culpable, more so than the originators of the assets who evidently were selective in their disclosure of info?  I take your point that the asset managers are culpable.  I think misaligned incentives really means that *anyone* with an incentive to perpetuate this kind of nonsense is also culpable.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny_Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny_Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MichelDelving, boldly apparent?  Name one then.  Post the prospectus and the proof the underlying loans were known by the banks to be fraudulent.

The incentives are the same for all servicers.  In a falling market they LOSE money on foreclosures and they are out of pocket for up to three years before they see a dime.  The article you quoted is confusing servicers with lawyers, who most certainly ARE making money out of this - and with the current &quot;scandal&quot; seem certain to make more.

PS as a buysider why are you scrutinzing CDO reference collateral now?  As opposed to say three years ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MichelDelving, boldly apparent?  Name one then.  Post the prospectus and the proof the underlying loans were known by the banks to be fraudulent.</p>
<p>The incentives are the same for all servicers.  In a falling market they LOSE money on foreclosures and they are out of pocket for up to three years before they see a dime.  The article you quoted is confusing servicers with lawyers, who most certainly ARE making money out of this &#8211; and with the current &#8220;scandal&#8221; seem certain to make more.</p>
<p>PS as a buysider why are you scrutinzing CDO reference collateral now?  As opposed to say three years ago?</p>
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		<title>By: MichelDelving</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichelDelving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny_Black ~

There is much insight to be taken in knowing exactly how servicers are rated.

&quot;Speed is also rewarded by the nation&#039;s credit-rating agencies, which give higher grades to mortgage service firms that accelerate the foreclosure process and generally hand out lower grades to those who hold onto delinquent loans. A Fitch Ratings manual calls the speed of foreclosures &quot;the key driver in the servicer rating,&quot; according to a report by the National Consumer Law Center.&quot;
For Foreclosure Processors Hired by Mortgage Lenders, Speed Equaled Money
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/15/AR2010101506541.html

In scrutinizing CDO reference collateral and ABX reference entities, it is boldly apparent that certain tranches were targeted for mortgage servicing fraud, knowing that it takes a relatively small percentage of defaults to tank a security.  Sure there were many tranches in which complicit servicers did not exact servicing fraud.  They didn&#039;t need to.  Given the now vast volume of case law, depositions, decisions and settlements, clearly there are few servicers who did not participate in the scheme.  When lenders or credit unions portfolio and service loans in house, chances are you are fairly safe from predatory servicing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny_Black ~</p>
<p>There is much insight to be taken in knowing exactly how servicers are rated.</p>
<p>&#8220;Speed is also rewarded by the nation&#8217;s credit-rating agencies, which give higher grades to mortgage service firms that accelerate the foreclosure process and generally hand out lower grades to those who hold onto delinquent loans. A Fitch Ratings manual calls the speed of foreclosures &#8220;the key driver in the servicer rating,&#8221; according to a report by the National Consumer Law Center.&#8221;<br />
For Foreclosure Processors Hired by Mortgage Lenders, Speed Equaled Money<br />
<a href='http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/15/AR2010101506541.html'>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2010/10/15/AR2010101506541. html</a></p>
<p>In scrutinizing CDO reference collateral and ABX reference entities, it is boldly apparent that certain tranches were targeted for mortgage servicing fraud, knowing that it takes a relatively small percentage of defaults to tank a security.  Sure there were many tranches in which complicit servicers did not exact servicing fraud.  They didn&#8217;t need to.  Given the now vast volume of case law, depositions, decisions and settlements, clearly there are few servicers who did not participate in the scheme.  When lenders or credit unions portfolio and service loans in house, chances are you are fairly safe from predatory servicing.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny_Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny_Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 02:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MichelDelving, I am sure they also service the mortgages underlying successful ones too.  Not that many servicers out there as it was a &quot;economies of scale&quot; business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MichelDelving, I am sure they also service the mortgages underlying successful ones too.  Not that many servicers out there as it was a &#8220;economies of scale&#8221; business.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny_Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny_Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 02:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mattski, not really a conspiracy more just incentives.  Most asset managers get paid by assets under management.  How do they attract more assets?  By chasing yield.  Alot of these asset managers have regulatory constraints on what they can invest, most typically around credit risk.  So what they are motivated to do is to take other risks instead because we seem to have been conditioned that if there is no credit risk then it is &quot;safe&quot;.

The banks manufactured these products because the asset managers wanted them.  One of the things that got missed somehow is that during the boom, that there was so much demand from asset managers that the originating banks simply couldn&#039;t issue enough debt to service that demand.  I think the simple answer to Felix&#039;s question about the due diligence is that most investors simply didn&#039;t care.  They cared about yield, they wanted a stamp saying it was &quot;safe&quot; and possibly some relative value input.  It still amazes me that these people have somehow become the &quot;victims&quot; when they frankly are the root cause of the crisis and to again to reiterate they are the ones who most certainly DO have a fiduciary responsibility.

If I might add to the used car salesman analogy.  You can argue about whether the salesman had a requirement to disclose everything or not but if you hire a guy to go out and get you the best deal based on his claim of expertise in this exact field then I think he DOES have a responsibility for what you buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mattski, not really a conspiracy more just incentives.  Most asset managers get paid by assets under management.  How do they attract more assets?  By chasing yield.  Alot of these asset managers have regulatory constraints on what they can invest, most typically around credit risk.  So what they are motivated to do is to take other risks instead because we seem to have been conditioned that if there is no credit risk then it is &#8220;safe&#8221;.</p>
<p>The banks manufactured these products because the asset managers wanted them.  One of the things that got missed somehow is that during the boom, that there was so much demand from asset managers that the originating banks simply couldn&#8217;t issue enough debt to service that demand.  I think the simple answer to Felix&#8217;s question about the due diligence is that most investors simply didn&#8217;t care.  They cared about yield, they wanted a stamp saying it was &#8220;safe&#8221; and possibly some relative value input.  It still amazes me that these people have somehow become the &#8220;victims&#8221; when they frankly are the root cause of the crisis and to again to reiterate they are the ones who most certainly DO have a fiduciary responsibility.</p>
<p>If I might add to the used car salesman analogy.  You can argue about whether the salesman had a requirement to disclose everything or not but if you hire a guy to go out and get you the best deal based on his claim of expertise in this exact field then I think he DOES have a responsibility for what you buy.</p>
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		<title>By: mattski</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 22:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KD: &quot;Customers wanted yield that was approved by the ratings agencies. That’s what they got.&quot;

Certainly a whiff of a (loosely organized) conspiracy there!

I&#039;d sure love to see Felix, or perhaps Steve Waldman, weigh in again in comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KD: &#8220;Customers wanted yield that was approved by the ratings agencies. That’s what they got.&#8221;</p>
<p>Certainly a whiff of a (loosely organized) conspiracy there!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d sure love to see Felix, or perhaps Steve Waldman, weigh in again in comments.</p>
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		<title>By: MichelDelving</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichelDelving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 20:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all the current focus on organized and systematic manufacturing of falsified documents to deprive people of their homes, we must keep in mind that this is all a coverup for the real engine that drove the scheme - mortgage servicing fraud.  Robo signers are just papering over bogus manufactured defaults which servicers were expert in fabricating in order to feed CDS casinos.  Let&#039;s also not forget who owns and controls most of the servicers -  large investment banks whose prop trading desks savagely shorted subprime while complicit subsidiary servicers generated &#039;credit events&#039; to ensure winning bets.  Dissect any tanked CDO or look closely at ABX reference entities and you will see servicers with long rap sheets for servicing fraud, not only on all levels of the judicial system but in impotent Federal actions as well.

2010 - Countrywide Home Loans Servicing - now owned by BoA - http://www.ftc.gov:80/opa/2010/06/countrywide.shtm 
2008 - EMC Mortgage Corp. - formerly Bear Stearns subsidiary, now JPMC - http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/09/emc.shtm
2003 &amp; 2007 - Select Portfolio Servicing - Credit Suisse subsidiary http://www.ftc.gov/fairbanks
2004 - Ocwen Federal Bank - http://files.ots.treas.gov/93606.pdf

It is no accident that time after time CDO prospectuses read &quot;Credit risk arises from losses due to defaults by the borrowers in the underlying collateral or the issuer’s or SERVICER&#039;S FAILURE TO PERFORM.” At the same time ratings agencies persisted in giving servicers sterling ratings without so much as a glance to relevant, readily available legal decisions and settlements.  Despite these facts being in public view for years now, MSM has perpetrated the myth of deadbeat borrowers being the cause of this debacle.  Only recently are some beginning to see the light and report the truth, acknowledging that servicers loaded the dice so investment banks and &quot;speculators&quot; could reap the benefit of their &quot;sure bets&quot;.  When it all comes out, this will become known as the largest, most damaging insider trading scheme in all history. 

L. Randall Wray, Professor of Economics at the University of Missouri-Kansas City puts it more strongly:
&quot;This is the biggest scandal in human history. Indeed, all previous scandals from around the globe combined cannot even touch this one in terms of scale and scope and stench. This is the mother of all frauds and it will be etched into the history books for all time.&quot;

http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/10/bank-holiday-is-best-solution-for-epidemic-of-mortgage-fraud.html#ixzz12YWiGlt6</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all the current focus on organized and systematic manufacturing of falsified documents to deprive people of their homes, we must keep in mind that this is all a coverup for the real engine that drove the scheme &#8211; mortgage servicing fraud.  Robo signers are just papering over bogus manufactured defaults which servicers were expert in fabricating in order to feed CDS casinos.  Let&#8217;s also not forget who owns and controls most of the servicers &#8211;  large investment banks whose prop trading desks savagely shorted subprime while complicit subsidiary servicers generated &#8216;credit events&#8217; to ensure winning bets.  Dissect any tanked CDO or look closely at ABX reference entities and you will see servicers with long rap sheets for servicing fraud, not only on all levels of the judicial system but in impotent Federal actions as well.</p>
<p>2010 &#8211; Countrywide Home Loans Servicing &#8211; now owned by BoA &#8211; <a href='http://www.ftc.gov:80/opa/2010/06/countrywide.shtm'>http://www.ftc.gov:80/opa/2010/06/countr ywide.shtm</a><br />
2008 &#8211; EMC Mortgage Corp. &#8211; formerly Bear Stearns subsidiary, now JPMC &#8211; <a href='http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/09/emc.shtm'>http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/09/emc.shtm</a><br />
2003 &#038; 2007 &#8211; Select Portfolio Servicing &#8211; Credit Suisse subsidiary <a href='http://www.ftc.gov/fairbanks'>http://www.ftc.gov/fairbanks</a><br />
2004 &#8211; Ocwen Federal Bank &#8211; <a href='http://files.ots.treas.gov/93606.pdf'>http://files.ots.treas.gov/93606.pdf</a></p>
<p>It is no accident that time after time CDO prospectuses read &#8220;Credit risk arises from losses due to defaults by the borrowers in the underlying collateral or the issuer’s or SERVICER&#8217;S FAILURE TO PERFORM.” At the same time ratings agencies persisted in giving servicers sterling ratings without so much as a glance to relevant, readily available legal decisions and settlements.  Despite these facts being in public view for years now, MSM has perpetrated the myth of deadbeat borrowers being the cause of this debacle.  Only recently are some beginning to see the light and report the truth, acknowledging that servicers loaded the dice so investment banks and &#8220;speculators&#8221; could reap the benefit of their &#8220;sure bets&#8221;.  When it all comes out, this will become known as the largest, most damaging insider trading scheme in all history. </p>
<p>L. Randall Wray, Professor of Economics at the University of Missouri-Kansas City puts it more strongly:<br />
&#8220;This is the biggest scandal in human history. Indeed, all previous scandals from around the globe combined cannot even touch this one in terms of scale and scope and stench. This is the mother of all frauds and it will be etched into the history books for all time.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href='http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/10/bank-holiday-is-best-solution-for-epidemic-of-mortgage-fraud.html#ixzz12YWiGlt6'>http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/10/ bank-holiday-is-best-solution-for-epidem ic-of-mortgage-fraud.html#ixzz12YWiGlt6</a></p>
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		<title>By: McGriffen</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGriffen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s entertaining to think back, with a few keystrokes I might have purchased FNMA 15yr or 30yr 6.0% bonds.  Bingo, problem solved.  FNM and FRE receive capital infusion, and the FED is adding a hefty bid into that market.  However, still exposed to a levered debt security issued via the US mortgage finance chicanery.

DUE Diligence:  know the structural features of securitization 101 for private label MBS.  AAA investors are at the front of the class, both in regards to interest and ultimate principal.  AAA investors, by their nature, are supposedly gonna be risk-averse than a typical A/BBB investor.  The credit enhancement structure on most private label MBS are fairly straight-forward.  Excess spread, starting OC balances, and then the credit structure.

AAA classes are not &#039;guaranteed&#039; of anything; but a starting CE % of 18-25% previously provided a better level of comfort, as opposed to the BBB class facing high losses with a CE% of 2-5%.  AAA classes are the last class of investors to face potential loss of principal.

Rating migration:  what the hell is this, now?  It&#039;s a long run study, performed on structured finance ABS, that proved over a 15-18 year period how stable AA/AAA ratings had performed over that time frame.  Those results had maintained some historical signifance until late 2006/2007 &amp; onward.  Moving downward in the capital structure, it&#039;s intuitive that classes rated &quot;A&quot; and lower experience greater &quot;noise&quot; in downgrade activity.

Default scenario assumptions:  prior to the housing / mortgage finance implosion, it was commonly understood that a homeowner would choose to default on the mortgage loan as the last option.  Credit cards, and automobile obligations, were typically presumed to be first out the door in terms of borrower default; easier to dismiss those, and/or settle, through a personal bankruptcy filing.

Credit curing:  another previously held conceit, that an average &quot;640 borrower&quot; could improve one&#039;s credit status after meeting contracted mortgage payments 18-24 months in a row.  A fully documented loan also aided greatly in this regards.

I can probably add more as they derive into my noggin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s entertaining to think back, with a few keystrokes I might have purchased FNMA 15yr or 30yr 6.0% bonds.  Bingo, problem solved.  FNM and FRE receive capital infusion, and the FED is adding a hefty bid into that market.  However, still exposed to a levered debt security issued via the US mortgage finance chicanery.</p>
<p>DUE Diligence:  know the structural features of securitization 101 for private label MBS.  AAA investors are at the front of the class, both in regards to interest and ultimate principal.  AAA investors, by their nature, are supposedly gonna be risk-averse than a typical A/BBB investor.  The credit enhancement structure on most private label MBS are fairly straight-forward.  Excess spread, starting OC balances, and then the credit structure.</p>
<p>AAA classes are not &#8216;guaranteed&#8217; of anything; but a starting CE % of 18-25% previously provided a better level of comfort, as opposed to the BBB class facing high losses with a CE% of 2-5%.  AAA classes are the last class of investors to face potential loss of principal.</p>
<p>Rating migration:  what the hell is this, now?  It&#8217;s a long run study, performed on structured finance ABS, that proved over a 15-18 year period how stable AA/AAA ratings had performed over that time frame.  Those results had maintained some historical signifance until late 2006/2007 &#038; onward.  Moving downward in the capital structure, it&#8217;s intuitive that classes rated &#8220;A&#8221; and lower experience greater &#8220;noise&#8221; in downgrade activity.</p>
<p>Default scenario assumptions:  prior to the housing / mortgage finance implosion, it was commonly understood that a homeowner would choose to default on the mortgage loan as the last option.  Credit cards, and automobile obligations, were typically presumed to be first out the door in terms of borrower default; easier to dismiss those, and/or settle, through a personal bankruptcy filing.</p>
<p>Credit curing:  another previously held conceit, that an average &#8220;640 borrower&#8221; could improve one&#8217;s credit status after meeting contracted mortgage payments 18-24 months in a row.  A fully documented loan also aided greatly in this regards.</p>
<p>I can probably add more as they derive into my noggin</p>
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		<title>By: Danny_Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny_Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just remember what this &quot;scandal&quot; reminds me of... the always classic Homer Badman, in particular:

         {[changes channels to Sally Jesse Raphael]}
  Woman: {[weeping] I don&#039;t know Homer Simpson, I -- I never met Homer
         Simpson or had any contact with him, but -- [cries
         uncontrollably] -- I&#039;m sorry, I can&#039;t go on.}
  Sally: {That&#039;s OK: your tears say more than real evidence _ever_
         could.}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just remember what this &#8220;scandal&#8221; reminds me of&#8230; the always classic Homer Badman, in particular:</p>
<p>         {[changes channels to Sally Jesse Raphael]}<br />
  Woman: {[weeping] I don&#8217;t know Homer Simpson, I &#8212; I never met Homer<br />
         Simpson or had any contact with him, but &#8212; [cries<br />
         uncontrollably] &#8212; I&#8217;m sorry, I can&#8217;t go on.}<br />
  Sally: {That&#8217;s OK: your tears say more than real evidence _ever_<br />
         could.}</p>
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		<title>By: Danny_Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny_Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 15:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McGriffen, sorry but as an investor advisor who actually does have a fiduciary duty to his clients isn&#039;t it your job to do this due diligence? 

Again, I would love someone to post a prospectus where the sell-side is asserting that every single loan is compliant and where there were loans that were not compliant and the sell-side knew it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McGriffen, sorry but as an investor advisor who actually does have a fiduciary duty to his clients isn&#8217;t it your job to do this due diligence? </p>
<p>Again, I would love someone to post a prospectus where the sell-side is asserting that every single loan is compliant and where there were loans that were not compliant and the sell-side knew it.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny_Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny_Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 15:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hsvkitty, in that case the PSA was the one who apparently had fraud perpetrated against it....  Are you claiming that ACA was part of a capitalist plot to defraud itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hsvkitty, in that case the PSA was the one who apparently had fraud perpetrated against it&#8230;.  Are you claiming that ACA was part of a capitalist plot to defraud itself?</p>
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		<title>By: KidDynamite</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2010/10/15/regulators-have-known-about-the-mortgage-bond-scandal-for-three-years/comment-page-1/#comment-19503</link>
		<dc:creator>KidDynamite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McGriffen - I KNOW they&#039;re not used car salesmen - that&#039;s my point - if you rip off your customers, you lose your customers! (I think I wrote exactly that in the prior thread)

have a nice weekend, folks.  I hope it&#039;s not too cold up in Saskatchewan, Kitty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McGriffen &#8211; I KNOW they&#8217;re not used car salesmen &#8211; that&#8217;s my point &#8211; if you rip off your customers, you lose your customers! (I think I wrote exactly that in the prior thread)</p>
<p>have a nice weekend, folks.  I hope it&#8217;s not too cold up in Saskatchewan, Kitty.</p>
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		<title>By: McGriffen</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGriffen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KD:  these people aren&#039;t used car salesmen.  Many of them are bright, thoughtful persons (a few bad apples +/-).  That being said, without trust (of any kind) this business falls flat.  And that argument rings hollow, to rip off your best customers.

I started in the business in late 90s; to imply that fiduciary duty is a stretch (as it regards to institutional sales), okay.  But these folks, on BOTH the buy / sell side, are generally well-comped for their efforts.  Being well-comped does not mean getting a free ride to just sell whatever the hell it is your Street firm is lately pushing, and then dump all over those suckers on the buy-side.  THAT should be a going-concern problem, and noted by any future business &quot;relations&quot;.

Perhaps a better description is a commercial trust, in this counterparty relation.  As a buy-sider, I&#039;ll trust whatever price you list on the MBS inventory sheet.  And for the sell-side, they don&#039;t bitch / moan if I throw a 4/32 back-bid (since I doubt 100% the sell firm&#039;s trading desk paid full freight on an offering).  Oh, but they will.

Final thought:  many comments belabor the fact that investors failed in their homework.  True enough.  To be fully clear, MBS investments have sucked wind for the last 3+ years; and any institutional portfolio will have to work a few years to remove that stink off the trailing return / peer comparisons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KD:  these people aren&#8217;t used car salesmen.  Many of them are bright, thoughtful persons (a few bad apples +/-).  That being said, without trust (of any kind) this business falls flat.  And that argument rings hollow, to rip off your best customers.</p>
<p>I started in the business in late 90s; to imply that fiduciary duty is a stretch (as it regards to institutional sales), okay.  But these folks, on BOTH the buy / sell side, are generally well-comped for their efforts.  Being well-comped does not mean getting a free ride to just sell whatever the hell it is your Street firm is lately pushing, and then dump all over those suckers on the buy-side.  THAT should be a going-concern problem, and noted by any future business &#8220;relations&#8221;.</p>
<p>Perhaps a better description is a commercial trust, in this counterparty relation.  As a buy-sider, I&#8217;ll trust whatever price you list on the MBS inventory sheet.  And for the sell-side, they don&#8217;t bitch / moan if I throw a 4/32 back-bid (since I doubt 100% the sell firm&#8217;s trading desk paid full freight on an offering).  Oh, but they will.</p>
<p>Final thought:  many comments belabor the fact that investors failed in their homework.  True enough.  To be fully clear, MBS investments have sucked wind for the last 3+ years; and any institutional portfolio will have to work a few years to remove that stink off the trailing return / peer comparisons.</p>
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		<title>By: KidDynamite</title>
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		<dc:creator>KidDynamite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and hence, Mattski, my comment above:  show me the fraud.  no one has, thus far.  It&#039;s got nothing to do with a Libertarian paradise.  The point is that just because hswkitty wants a fiduciary standard doesn&#039;t mean one exists.  You can start at the term BROKER/DEALER.  It&#039;s very different from adviser.  The salesman selling MBS products is not like the private client rep at Merrill pitching stocks for your managed portfolio.

Customers wanted yield that was approved by the ratings agencies.  That&#039;s what they got.  

The real story of foreclosuregate is about violation of the Rule of Law in the foreclosure process.  Guess what - there&#039;s also a rule of law when proving illegal activity - you can&#039;t just say &quot; FRAUDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!&quot;  and be done.  Show me where in what prospectus stuff was misrepresented - and guess what - I&#039;ll agree with you!

People who actually KNOW the law and this business tell me that Felix&#039;s wild goose chase is a load of nonsense - at least what he&#039;s written so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and hence, Mattski, my comment above:  show me the fraud.  no one has, thus far.  It&#8217;s got nothing to do with a Libertarian paradise.  The point is that just because hswkitty wants a fiduciary standard doesn&#8217;t mean one exists.  You can start at the term BROKER/DEALER.  It&#8217;s very different from adviser.  The salesman selling MBS products is not like the private client rep at Merrill pitching stocks for your managed portfolio.</p>
<p>Customers wanted yield that was approved by the ratings agencies.  That&#8217;s what they got.  </p>
<p>The real story of foreclosuregate is about violation of the Rule of Law in the foreclosure process.  Guess what &#8211; there&#8217;s also a rule of law when proving illegal activity &#8211; you can&#8217;t just say &#8221; FRAUDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!&#8221;  and be done.  Show me where in what prospectus stuff was misrepresented &#8211; and guess what &#8211; I&#8217;ll agree with you!</p>
<p>People who actually KNOW the law and this business tell me that Felix&#8217;s wild goose chase is a load of nonsense &#8211; at least what he&#8217;s written so far.</p>
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