Comments on: How the FBI puts researchers out of business

By: ARJTurgot2

ARJTurgot2 — Thu, 25 Nov 2010 04:50:49 +0000

I’ve worked with the FBI before, and on the whole, they are pretty sharp cookies. Parts of Kinnucan’s story simply don’t add up. First, they don’t just show up at your door and ask you to wear a wire, it would put the entire investigation at risk. Next, these guys have a job to do that comes with a busy schedule, and don’t spend their idle time “recording my cell phone conversations for quite some time” just for fun and to study your dating practices.

By: hsvkitty

hsvkitty — Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:14:17 +0000

After reading the story and the cockiness of Kinnucan, it seems he knew he wasn’t doing anything (very) illegal by getting the information in his ‘research’… but what may have been illegal in HOW he got it and WHERE he got it. And being the FBI gave him a tip one of his clients was going down, it sounds as though his tip off makes him more guilty then he is admitting here. He also said he may have been wire tapped, which is a further tipoff to his clients.

He invited the FBI in, yet didn’t co-operate. Why not call a lawyer and ask for a warrant instead? Also, it is doubtful that the firms he does business with asked him for the email, but rather he offered it as an incentive to ‘sell’ his info and also to protect them…and take the fall. Is that normal business practice? (who knows what the hell is considered ethical anymore with you American Capitalists … seriously. It seems regulations are the only ethics and not being caught is the new innocent)

I can’t quite feel sorry for him (even though you both used the fact he was hit by a bus in the past as though the it should make us feel for him) Truthfully, it sounds as though there was very little intimidation and that no one acted in such a way that deserved newsworthiness. (or blogginess)

By: HotPanini

HotPanini — Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:40:35 +0000

You would think that Mr. Kinnucan might re-evaluate both his business judgement and the ethics of the services his research firm was performing if, upon voluntarily sending out his email (which, BTW, sounds very much like a warning to his clients), all of his clients immediately withdrew business from him.

By: dbsmith1

dbsmith1 — Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:14:13 +0000

I agree with SteveHamlin on this one, Felix. As he correctly asked: “what would you have them (the FBI) do, what did they do wrong?”

By: SteveHamlin

SteveHamlin — Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:01:28 +0000

That’s a bit harsh, Felix, and I would normally tend to agree with you on these type of points (says the card-carrying ACLU member)

The FBI hasn’t gone out of their way to threaten or ruin the business of a person who refused to cooperate with them. No menacing “Nice business, be awful if something…happened…to it.” No publicity from the FBI to tarnish Kinnucan. They didn’t take the business’ core computer equipment for months/years pursuant to a warrant, and de-facto force a shutdown. No Orwellian police state that I see.

The FBI asked, business said no, and the after the business publicized this contact, the business’ customers went somewhere else.

I read nothing untoward in what the FBI did in this case – what would you have them do, what did they do wrong?

By: fruhmenschen

fruhmenschen — Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:13:57 +0000

for more information about our conferences dealing with crimes committed by FBI agents to see a partial list of crimes committed by FBI agents over 1500 pages long
forums.signonsandiego. com/showthread.php?t=59139

to view a partial list of FBI agents arrested for pedophilia see
campusactivism. org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=29

also see
ctka.net/pr500-king.html