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	<description>A slice of lime in the soda</description>
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		<title>By: robertwaldmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>robertwaldmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, by the way, outstanding post on CREW, conflict of interests, and their FOIA requests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, by the way, outstanding post on CREW, conflict of interests, and their FOIA requests.</p>
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		<title>By: robertwaldmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>robertwaldmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your blog, but in exactly which universe is 
Lanny Davis a &quot;well-regarded liberal&quot; activist ? 

I&#039;m sure that Davis would insist that he isn&#039;t liberal.  
I have never read one good word written about Davis.  I mean that quite literally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your blog, but in exactly which universe is<br />
Lanny Davis a &#8220;well-regarded liberal&#8221; activist ? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that Davis would insist that he isn&#8217;t liberal.<br />
I have never read one good word written about Davis.  I mean that quite literally.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike.elk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike.elk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My inside sources within LMG tell me the contract was can celled as a result of the bad publicity they received after my article was printed in early October. Keiser University, per my interviews with Julian Epstein, president of LMG, was a client up until that point. Also, Tom Matzzie in his updates to his initial blog post also makes it clear that Keiser had a contract with LMG up until that point - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-matzzie/senate-invites-arsonist-t_b_624398.html

This characterization of the contract with Keiser University has a short term contract is just another attempt to spin the deceit of lobbyists like Tom Matzzie and Julian Epstein, who it should be noted refuse to register as lobbyists despite doing quite a bit of lobbying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My inside sources within LMG tell me the contract was can celled as a result of the bad publicity they received after my article was printed in early October. Keiser University, per my interviews with Julian Epstein, president of LMG, was a client up until that point. Also, Tom Matzzie in his updates to his initial blog post also makes it clear that Keiser had a contract with LMG up until that point &#8211; <a href='http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-matzzie/senate-invites-arsonist-t_b_624398.html'>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-matzzi e/senate-invites-arsonist-t_b_624398.htm l</a></p>
<p>This characterization of the contract with Keiser University has a short term contract is just another attempt to spin the deceit of lobbyists like Tom Matzzie and Julian Epstein, who it should be noted refuse to register as lobbyists despite doing quite a bit of lobbying.</p>
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		<title>By: LMG_DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LMG_DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 22:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response from LMG:  LMG does not work for the for-profit universities as your story reported.   LMG did a very short term, limited duration contract (2 months) for Keiser University from August-September of 2010 but no longer does any work for them in any way.  Had you checked with us, you could avoided this mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response from LMG:  LMG does not work for the for-profit universities as your story reported.   LMG did a very short term, limited duration contract (2 months) for Keiser University from August-September of 2010 but no longer does any work for them in any way.  Had you checked with us, you could avoided this mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: AsherL</title>
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		<dc:creator>AsherL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 05:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RileyA has his or her facts all wrong. The Institute for College Access &amp; Success (TICAS) is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization and filed its 2009 return (called a Form 990) with the IRS last year. TICAS makes its Form 990 available to the public, as required by law. TICAS did not compensate Robert Shireman, its former president, for any time he spent working on the Obama transition team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RileyA has his or her facts all wrong. The Institute for College Access &#038; Success (TICAS) is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization and filed its 2009 return (called a Form 990) with the IRS last year. TICAS makes its Form 990 available to the public, as required by law. TICAS did not compensate Robert Shireman, its former president, for any time he spent working on the Obama transition team.</p>
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		<title>By: Harouni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harouni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The phrase &quot;well-regarded liberal activist&quot; being attached to Lanny Davis is a good one. Of all his clients, for-profit schools are probably the most benign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phrase &#8220;well-regarded liberal activist&#8221; being attached to Lanny Davis is a good one. Of all his clients, for-profit schools are probably the most benign.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike.elk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike.elk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to earlier commentor, Peter Goodman terminated my association with the Huffington Post. Goodman has written quite critically against the for profit school industry. My firing had absolutely nothing to do with the for profit school industry. 

However, Lanny Davis has called people I have written for on multiple occasions and tried to get me canned. I do not believe Peter Goodman had anything to do with this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to earlier commentor, Peter Goodman terminated my association with the Huffington Post. Goodman has written quite critically against the for profit school industry. My firing had absolutely nothing to do with the for profit school industry. </p>
<p>However, Lanny Davis has called people I have written for on multiple occasions and tried to get me canned. I do not believe Peter Goodman had anything to do with this</p>
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		<title>By: AnonymousChef</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnonymousChef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astroturfing is creating fake &quot;grass-roots&quot; organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astroturfing is creating fake &#8220;grass-roots&#8221; organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Gotthardbahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gotthardbahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;...a lobbying firm specializing in astroturfing that is working on behalf of for-profit colleges?&#039;

What is &#039;astroturfing&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;&#8230;a lobbying firm specializing in astroturfing that is working on behalf of for-profit colleges?&#8217;</p>
<p>What is &#8216;astroturfing&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: TFF</title>
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		<dc:creator>TFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good comments on this thread...

For-profit education isn&#039;t exactly a scam, but when you combine Wall Street ethics (more profit = good, less profit = bad, nothing else matters), heavy government subsidies, a highly complex product that depends almost exclusively on the quality of the employees and is very difficult to evaluate using conventional business management techniques (let alone by the customer base)... What the heck do you expect?

You see much the same dynamics in for-profit charter schools. The evaluation metrics are weak, so more effort goes into &quot;gaming the system&quot; than into the real quality of the product. The simplest way to ensure high performance by your graduates is to winnow out anybody who isn&#039;t performing to high standards. Actually trying to EDUCATE those with weaknesses is a losing proposition in for-profit education.

Not that NFP colleges are really all that different. A Harvard education is good, but what REALLY differentiates Harvard graduates from the rest is that they get to cherry-pick their talent on admission.

Is it better for society to continue to subsidize a broken model and close our eyes to its flaws? Or to reward a few individuals for raising the curtain on the problems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good comments on this thread&#8230;</p>
<p>For-profit education isn&#8217;t exactly a scam, but when you combine Wall Street ethics (more profit = good, less profit = bad, nothing else matters), heavy government subsidies, a highly complex product that depends almost exclusively on the quality of the employees and is very difficult to evaluate using conventional business management techniques (let alone by the customer base)&#8230; What the heck do you expect?</p>
<p>You see much the same dynamics in for-profit charter schools. The evaluation metrics are weak, so more effort goes into &#8220;gaming the system&#8221; than into the real quality of the product. The simplest way to ensure high performance by your graduates is to winnow out anybody who isn&#8217;t performing to high standards. Actually trying to EDUCATE those with weaknesses is a losing proposition in for-profit education.</p>
<p>Not that NFP colleges are really all that different. A Harvard education is good, but what REALLY differentiates Harvard graduates from the rest is that they get to cherry-pick their talent on admission.</p>
<p>Is it better for society to continue to subsidize a broken model and close our eyes to its flaws? Or to reward a few individuals for raising the curtain on the problems?</p>
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		<title>By: ckbryant</title>
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		<dc:creator>ckbryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all too much inside baseball for me at nine in the morning, but my sympathies always lie with the short sellers.  They are the only actors who are rewarded for getting past the hype and the glitz and the armies of well-dressed publicity flacks and showing that everything the Street thinks is solid gold is actually rotten.  

And talk about courage: they bet against the current of history, becasue stocks, as a class, tend to rise in value over time, and they do so in a way that gives them unlimited downside risk and limits their potential gains to just the amount of the investment.

So nobody likes shorts because they&#039;re big meanies and they say mean things about companies we like, but mean things need to be said sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all too much inside baseball for me at nine in the morning, but my sympathies always lie with the short sellers.  They are the only actors who are rewarded for getting past the hype and the glitz and the armies of well-dressed publicity flacks and showing that everything the Street thinks is solid gold is actually rotten.  </p>
<p>And talk about courage: they bet against the current of history, becasue stocks, as a class, tend to rise in value over time, and they do so in a way that gives them unlimited downside risk and limits their potential gains to just the amount of the investment.</p>
<p>So nobody likes shorts because they&#8217;re big meanies and they say mean things about companies we like, but mean things need to be said sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Setty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Setty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1: Short sellers are usually short for a reason. The unlimited downside and limited upside in shorting favors prudence.

2: Mike Elk was just fired by Huffington Post. The sequence of events makes me wonder if the Huffington Post people were under pressure from these cats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1: Short sellers are usually short for a reason. The unlimited downside and limited upside in shorting favors prudence.</p>
<p>2: Mike Elk was just fired by Huffington Post. The sequence of events makes me wonder if the Huffington Post people were under pressure from these cats.</p>
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		<title>By: najdorf</title>
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		<dc:creator>najdorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know that for-profit or not-for-profit education has exactly covered itself in glory over the last 20 years, but no matter how much of a backer of capitalism you are, you ought to acknowledge the massive potential for looting in for-profit education.  What other sector has all of the following? 

1.  Nearly infinite government-guaranteed leverage available (if someone with no income can borrow $100k for an education that won&#039;t get them a job, what&#039;s the leverage or LTV ratio on that loan?).

2.  Widespread cultural approval and the perception that everyone needs this product; massive scalability and minimal customer scrutiny of value/price.  

3.  Intangible/self-measured outcomes with no consensus about a national system for measuring educational quality.  

4.  Massive oversupply of highly trained labor willing to work for any amount of money (all the unemployed people with teaching experience in the NFP sector and masters/PhDs whose masters/PhD institution let them go once they had).

5.  Persistent underinvestment by its primary competitor (the government), particularly in the programs needed by sympathetic minority groups with organized political action organizations?

No one is making up conspiracy theories about private sector education - it&#039;s prudent to take a harder look at this sector, given the above.  Also, larryfine, the fact that you have no idea who Felix is suggests you&#039;re probably a paid shill from one of the organizations he ripped rather than a regular reader.  Felix, keep it up - this is good stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that for-profit or not-for-profit education has exactly covered itself in glory over the last 20 years, but no matter how much of a backer of capitalism you are, you ought to acknowledge the massive potential for looting in for-profit education.  What other sector has all of the following? </p>
<p>1.  Nearly infinite government-guaranteed leverage available (if someone with no income can borrow $100k for an education that won&#8217;t get them a job, what&#8217;s the leverage or LTV ratio on that loan?).</p>
<p>2.  Widespread cultural approval and the perception that everyone needs this product; massive scalability and minimal customer scrutiny of value/price.  </p>
<p>3.  Intangible/self-measured outcomes with no consensus about a national system for measuring educational quality.  </p>
<p>4.  Massive oversupply of highly trained labor willing to work for any amount of money (all the unemployed people with teaching experience in the NFP sector and masters/PhDs whose masters/PhD institution let them go once they had).</p>
<p>5.  Persistent underinvestment by its primary competitor (the government), particularly in the programs needed by sympathetic minority groups with organized political action organizations?</p>
<p>No one is making up conspiracy theories about private sector education &#8211; it&#8217;s prudent to take a harder look at this sector, given the above.  Also, larryfine, the fact that you have no idea who Felix is suggests you&#8217;re probably a paid shill from one of the organizations he ripped rather than a regular reader.  Felix, keep it up &#8211; this is good stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: RileyA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RileyA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also wondering who has bought out John Podesta?  He created a group called Campus Progress &quot;Screw U&quot; which is a front group to attack for profit colleges.  Everyone knows that Podesta is a fee-for-service shop.   His group became a cheerleader for Boone Pickens’ efforts to make money off of natural gas in the name of climate change -- and was handsomely rewarded!   
http://www.campusprogress.org/screwu
The question is who is paying for this:  1) short sellers like Eisman who are making billions, 2) trial lawyers who are making billions, or 3) teacher unions who want to unionize the sector?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also wondering who has bought out John Podesta?  He created a group called Campus Progress &#8220;Screw U&#8221; which is a front group to attack for profit colleges.  Everyone knows that Podesta is a fee-for-service shop.   His group became a cheerleader for Boone Pickens’ efforts to make money off of natural gas in the name of climate change &#8212; and was handsomely rewarded!<br />
<a href='http://www.campusprogress.org/screwu'>http://www.campusprogress.org/screwu</a><br />
The question is who is paying for this:  1) short sellers like Eisman who are making billions, 2) trial lawyers who are making billions, or 3) teacher unions who want to unionize the sector?</p>
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		<title>By: RileyA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RileyA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should also be noted that the Deputy Undersecretary of Education, Robert Shireman, was paid by his organization, The Institute for College Access (TICAS) while working on this on the Obama transition team.   Shireman’s group is the chief lobbying group in support of Gainful Employment. TICAS has not filed a tax return since 2008 to hide this conflict of interest with a DOE official getting paid by a lobbying group and working on Gainful Employment at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should also be noted that the Deputy Undersecretary of Education, Robert Shireman, was paid by his organization, The Institute for College Access (TICAS) while working on this on the Obama transition team.   Shireman’s group is the chief lobbying group in support of Gainful Employment. TICAS has not filed a tax return since 2008 to hide this conflict of interest with a DOE official getting paid by a lobbying group and working on Gainful Employment at the same time.</p>
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