Comments on: John Cassidy vs bipeds http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/03/09/john-cassidy-vs-bipeds/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: sammydavisjrjr http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/03/09/john-cassidy-vs-bipeds/comment-page-1/#comment-49833 Tue, 29 Apr 2014 23:06:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7555#comment-49833 Love this! Can’t believe I haven’t read this till now…

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By: archiegoodwin http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/03/09/john-cassidy-vs-bipeds/comment-page-1/#comment-26150 Sun, 01 May 2011 11:48:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7555#comment-26150 ‘Sorry, John, but the purpose of biking is not to “thrill” you so much that you end up shaking. And you surely know, even if you’re loathe to admit it…’

I think you mean “loath”, the adjective meaning reluctant or unwilling, not “loathe”, the verb.

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By: saianjuma1 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/03/09/john-cassidy-vs-bipeds/comment-page-1/#comment-24657 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:57:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7555#comment-24657 I did the math. If 8 million people each took up 100 square feet with their car (4.5 x 20 = 90, plus a few here and there for trucks…) it would be 28.6 square miles.
Manhattan is 22.7 square miles

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By: Brent123 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/03/09/john-cassidy-vs-bipeds/comment-page-1/#comment-24623 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 02:56:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7555#comment-24623 Ought not Cassidy spend some time cycling (now, not in the ’80s) on New York streets before recommending that the city remove lanes?

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By: Ivan_Karamazov http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/03/09/john-cassidy-vs-bipeds/comment-page-1/#comment-24622 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 01:51:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7555#comment-24622 Yuppie is pissed because he can’t park his Jahg-yoo-ah wherever he likes. News at 11.

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By: TomLeon http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/03/09/john-cassidy-vs-bipeds/comment-page-1/#comment-24620 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 00:56:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7555#comment-24620 I have always like Cassidy’s economic reporting. His piece makes me wonder about that now.

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By: TFF http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/03/09/john-cassidy-vs-bipeds/comment-page-1/#comment-24616 Thu, 10 Mar 2011 00:21:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7555#comment-24616 ohhleary, every rules comes with exceptions. My town beautified the “downtown” (a five-block stretch of the main street), widened the sidewalks, built encroachments for the crosswalks, but really didn’t change much except for removing a right-turn-only lane on one street and adding a couple traffic signals. Net result? Massive traffic jams in one direction where there were none before.

Sometimes alternate routes don’t exist. Sometimes “choosing not to drive” is not a realistic option. This admittedly is a very different situation than NYC, but removing a lane can definitely reduce throughput.

If removing a lane *doesn’t* reduce throughput, you probably aren’t dealing with a natural bottleneck.

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By: ohhleary http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/03/09/john-cassidy-vs-bipeds/comment-page-1/#comment-24614 Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:37:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7555#comment-24614 margon: Anyone with a degree in traffic engineering would argue differently. It’s an issue of supply and demand: narrowing streets ultimately reduces traffic volume, as people seek alternate routes or simply choose not to drive. It’s the whole conundrum of “nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded.”

This is why when Prospect Park West was narrowed by one lane, travel times increased by only one second. Traffic volume is not a constant – it can, literally, disappear.

The same concept applies to adding road capacity: widening induces demand, and congestion eventually returns to its previous levels.

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By: dr2chase http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/03/09/john-cassidy-vs-bipeds/comment-page-1/#comment-24611 Wed, 09 Mar 2011 21:52:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7555#comment-24611 @margon – your claims about congestion are incorrect.

It’s been studied for the Prospect Park West bike lanes ( http://www.xoxosoma.com/ppw/ ) and speeding was reduced, travel time (measured without speeding) was increased by less than 1%, and the throughput did not change.

On the positive side, the number of cyclists roughly tripled, the number on the sidewalk was vastly reduced, crashes and injuries (all kinds) were down, despite 3x the cyclists. No pedestrian injuries since the bike lane was installed.

Your claim about reducing the carbon footprint is also misleading. The best way to reduce the carbon footprint of a car, is not to drive it. Failing that, the best way in a city, is to drive a hybrid/EV with regenerative braking (that’s most of them), which gets far better gas mileage in stop-and-go, and when stuck in (hypothetical, imaginary) traffic, does not run its engine.

In a place like NYC, cars are really stupid. They take up far too much space, and are far too dangerous for other people, and the alternatives (bicycle, with or without electric assist) work really well. The #1 reason most people don’t ride, and the main difference between Old Amsterdam and New Amsterdam, is a lack of adequate facilities.

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By: Westwit http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/03/09/john-cassidy-vs-bipeds/comment-page-1/#comment-24605 Wed, 09 Mar 2011 20:58:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7555#comment-24605 Maybe he’s really “Turbo Teen”.

(For those who don’t know or don’t remember — count your blessings — “Turbo Teen” was a really bizarre 80s cartoon about a kid who, thanks to an accident involving super-science, turns into a car whenever he gets hot. And really, should we be discriminating since someone with that particular handicap?)

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