Comments on: Adventures with wine lists, Apiary edition http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/04/16/adventures-with-wine-lists-apiary-edition/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: traducator daneza romana http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/04/16/adventures-with-wine-lists-apiary-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-53392 Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:53:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7961#comment-53392 Nice weblog right here! Additionally your web site rather a lot up very fast! What host are you using? Can I get your associate hyperlink on your host? I wish my web site loaded up as fast as yours lol

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By: REDruin http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/04/16/adventures-with-wine-lists-apiary-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-25876 Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:22:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7961#comment-25876 Biggest markup is on carbonated beverages. Costs are under a dime. Prices, well, I’m sure you know.

==RED

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By: SelenesMom http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/04/16/adventures-with-wine-lists-apiary-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-25861 Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:33:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7961#comment-25861 @thispace: Until someone corrects me, I’m going to suggest that most restaurants get their highest margins on alcohol and coffee.

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By: SelenesMom http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/04/16/adventures-with-wine-lists-apiary-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-25860 Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:31:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7961#comment-25860 @SATD: Locabib! Nice coinage! I will adopt it at once!

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By: AKillion http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/04/16/adventures-with-wine-lists-apiary-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-25859 Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:28:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7961#comment-25859 Sometimes an $8 bottle of wine is just an $8 bottle of wine but sometimes it is more than that. Especially if you factor in the cost of serving it on Manhattan real estate on a custom made table with artisan servers, lighting oh and food too. Not just food, but art that you can eat. Sometimes a restaurant is a better place to drink your $8 bottle of wine than maybe the bus stop bench in front of your local BEVMO. So either you know the wine is good and marked up to help a resourceful business owner cover the added expense of providing you with a fine dining experience, or your quest for economy may in fact assist in destroying what little economy is left.

Price is the only variable in in the absence of value.

I have never eaten at Apiary, do not live in New York, but do in fact own a business which requires skills that can only be obtained by actually buying $4 bottles of wine, selling them for $8 and obviously adding a hell of a lot of service and expertise along the way.

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By: thispaceforsale http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/04/16/adventures-with-wine-lists-apiary-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-25858 Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:11:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7961#comment-25858 It seems like the food prices are being subsidized by the expensive wines. The restaurant probably is targeting whale customers, the kind that spend thousands of dollars a month mostly on wine.
Still, whether business acumen is the issue, I’m not sure complaints are justified. Wine is by no means an essential part of a good meal, akin to a dessert course. It may accent flavors or enhance the experience, but a well prepared meal should be able to stand alone. And considering all wine pricing is rather subjective and there is zero correlation between quality and price, it’s silly to excoriate a restaurant because you can get something cheaper elsewhere.
The entire fine dining experience is overpriced if you broke it down based to supplier pricing. A $29 entree can be eye-wateringly expensive to someone who knows how to cook and has a decent supermarket nearby.

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By: samadamsthedog http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/04/16/adventures-with-wine-lists-apiary-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-25853 Sun, 17 Apr 2011 05:04:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7961#comment-25853 They take me often to the North Fork (especially Paumanok) and to the Finger Lakes (especially Standing Stone, Shalestone, Hermann Wiemer and Anthony Road). But even at the Source, NYS wines are beginning to feel overpriced. The locavore foodies are pricing the locabibs out of the market. But even at current price points, They say They are amply repaid in a sense of smug superiority for supporting the local (alleged) economy and for being able to talk knowledgeably about wines that not many have heard of.

@RZO: The issue at a place like Apiary is not 3x retail for a bottle. We all know about that. It’s the lack of reasonably priced choices. Such are easily found elsewhere.

-SATD.

P.S. If in Oregon, hie thee to the Hood Valley Winery. Tiny joint; good pinot noir (the last time They tried it), available only there.

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By: hsvkitty http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/04/16/adventures-with-wine-lists-apiary-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-25851 Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:46:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7961#comment-25851 Or better yet, continue North to Quebec and eat a fine meal in one of the 268 restaurant where you can always bring your own wine…

http://restomontreal.ca/restaurants/feat ures/montreal-byow-bringyourownwine-rest aurants.php?lang=en

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By: SelenesMom http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/04/16/adventures-with-wine-lists-apiary-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-25849 Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:35:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7961#comment-25849 Personally, I think it’s impossible to get value for money from a NYC wine list. Too much hoo goes into it, and too many people feel angst and are willing to throw money at it.

As usual, I’ll take the opportunity to welcome all discriminating readers to Oregon wine country, but I bet even just heading to say upstate NY would find you some places that have nice wines at unpretentious prices.

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By: maynardGkeynes http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/04/16/adventures-with-wine-lists-apiary-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-25848 Sat, 16 Apr 2011 23:31:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=7961#comment-25848 Years back, there was an influential article in the antitrust arena called “[Consumer] Ignorance as a Source of Oligopoly Power.” Substitute “Restaurant Wine List Profits” for oligopoly power and you’ve nailed exactly what’s going on. It will never change. But since Felix seems to be convinced that virtually no consumer can tell the difference between a cheap merlot and La Conseillante anyway, I don’t see why he complains.

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