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		<title>By: RHB3</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/07/05/can-obama-declare-the-debt-ceiling-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-28260</link>
		<dc:creator>RHB3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 03:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 14th Amendment has never been interpreted by the United States Supreme Court to grant autocratic powers in the Executive Branch.  Who in their right mind would believe that the President of the United States could use the 14th Amendment to end the separation of powers thereby authorizing the issuance of monetary obligations against the will of the People&#039;s Branch, i.e., Congress.  I think it is about time to require that the U.S. Constitution be a course in all U.S. high schools in the hope to prevent these government elitists from deceptively representing the powers of the national govenment to the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 14th Amendment has never been interpreted by the United States Supreme Court to grant autocratic powers in the Executive Branch.  Who in their right mind would believe that the President of the United States could use the 14th Amendment to end the separation of powers thereby authorizing the issuance of monetary obligations against the will of the People&#8217;s Branch, i.e., Congress.  I think it is about time to require that the U.S. Constitution be a course in all U.S. high schools in the hope to prevent these government elitists from deceptively representing the powers of the national govenment to the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Kunst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kunst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 22:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;On top of that, the substantive business of government would surely come to an end...&quot;

I think that already happened, as soon as Obama became president.   

&quot;If Obama wanted to guarantee enormous amounts of political heat and absolutely no meaningful legislation getting passed for the remainder of his first term in office, he could hardly go about it a better way.&quot;

As opposed to what, handing the government over to the Republicans?  They don&#039;t want the government to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On top of that, the substantive business of government would surely come to an end&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that already happened, as soon as Obama became president.   </p>
<p>&#8220;If Obama wanted to guarantee enormous amounts of political heat and absolutely no meaningful legislation getting passed for the remainder of his first term in office, he could hardly go about it a better way.&#8221;</p>
<p>As opposed to what, handing the government over to the Republicans?  They don&#8217;t want the government to work.</p>
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		<title>By: DerekYoung</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerekYoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A declaration of political war? They&#039;ve been at war with him and the government for a while now. They&#039;re holding the full faith and credit of the United States hostage for their political agenda. Political war doesn&#039;t get worse than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A declaration of political war? They&#8217;ve been at war with him and the government for a while now. They&#8217;re holding the full faith and credit of the United States hostage for their political agenda. Political war doesn&#8217;t get worse than that.</p>
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		<title>By: EngineerScotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>EngineerScotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix,

Switching the budget battles from the debt ceiling to appropriations is not a problem.  

1) That&#039;s where these fights are SUPPOSED to occur.  If the Tea Party wants to pass a budget that decimates entitlement programs while preserving tax breaks for the wealthy, let them.  Let them run on that record.  By waging this battle as part of the debt ceiling, they are trying to achieve a policy victory without paying the political price for it, and advance the notion that &quot;we can&#039;t afford these&quot;.  We can afford these things if we choose to.

2) If the debt ceiling is not raised (or ignored) and the US defaults on its obligations--what happens?  Well, we&#039;ve never been there before, but most experts say &quot;major financial catastrophe&quot;.  If, on the other hand, Congress refuses to pass a budget and the government shuts down--well, we&#039;ve been THERE before, and while it isn&#039;t desirable, the Republic has survived.

The problem isn&#039;t that the GOP and the administration are having a budget showdown.  The problem is that by doing it in the context of the debt ceiling, one side has brought a loaded gun to the table.  If it is done in the context of an appropriations debate, as it ought to be, the playing field is level, and the sort of political brinksmanship that we see today simply isn&#039;t available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix,</p>
<p>Switching the budget battles from the debt ceiling to appropriations is not a problem.  </p>
<p>1) That&#8217;s where these fights are SUPPOSED to occur.  If the Tea Party wants to pass a budget that decimates entitlement programs while preserving tax breaks for the wealthy, let them.  Let them run on that record.  By waging this battle as part of the debt ceiling, they are trying to achieve a policy victory without paying the political price for it, and advance the notion that &#8220;we can&#8217;t afford these&#8221;.  We can afford these things if we choose to.</p>
<p>2) If the debt ceiling is not raised (or ignored) and the US defaults on its obligations&#8211;what happens?  Well, we&#8217;ve never been there before, but most experts say &#8220;major financial catastrophe&#8221;.  If, on the other hand, Congress refuses to pass a budget and the government shuts down&#8211;well, we&#8217;ve been THERE before, and while it isn&#8217;t desirable, the Republic has survived.</p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t that the GOP and the administration are having a budget showdown.  The problem is that by doing it in the context of the debt ceiling, one side has brought a loaded gun to the table.  If it is done in the context of an appropriations debate, as it ought to be, the playing field is level, and the sort of political brinksmanship that we see today simply isn&#8217;t available.</p>
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		<title>By: bluestraw</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/07/05/can-obama-declare-the-debt-ceiling-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-28222</link>
		<dc:creator>bluestraw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 16:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Republicans in Congress would certainly take any appeal to the Constitution as a declaration of political war&quot;... that&#039;s the problem.  They already have. The President has to make clear that he is willing to assert his Constitutional prerogative as the Republicans assert the need for a balanced budget amendment. These Republicans only respect strength, time to show it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Republicans in Congress would certainly take any appeal to the Constitution as a declaration of political war&#8221;&#8230; that&#8217;s the problem.  They already have. The President has to make clear that he is willing to assert his Constitutional prerogative as the Republicans assert the need for a balanced budget amendment. These Republicans only respect strength, time to show it.</p>
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		<title>By: Etonian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/07/05/can-obama-declare-the-debt-ceiling-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-28212</link>
		<dc:creator>Etonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Obama is really a statesman, and not merely a politician, he&#039;ll declare that this dept ceiling issue is a &quot;constitutional crisis,&quot; and thus push his agenda thru congress, taxes and all. If Bush was in office, being threatened by the Dems, he, Bush would&#039;ve found a loop hole to get what he wants. Secondly, I also don&#039;t understand why Obama didn&#039;t start a W.P.A. as soon as he became president, just as FDR did?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama is really a statesman, and not merely a politician, he&#8217;ll declare that this dept ceiling issue is a &#8220;constitutional crisis,&#8221; and thus push his agenda thru congress, taxes and all. If Bush was in office, being threatened by the Dems, he, Bush would&#8217;ve found a loop hole to get what he wants. Secondly, I also don&#8217;t understand why Obama didn&#8217;t start a W.P.A. as soon as he became president, just as FDR did?</p>
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		<title>By: Greycap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greycap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a bit sleazy of you, Felix: linking to Bartlett on the 14th amendment without mentioning that it was his colleague Stan Collender who brought up the impeachment argument: http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/stan-collender/2289/senate-dems-touting-14th-amendment-avoid-gop-ransom-demands-debt-ceiling-co.

In fact, I can&#039;t see that you are contributing anything to this story at all. You would done better just to refer us all to the Capital Gains and Games blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a bit sleazy of you, Felix: linking to Bartlett on the 14th amendment without mentioning that it was his colleague Stan Collender who brought up the impeachment argument: <a href='http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/stan-collender/2289/senate-dems-touting-14th-amendment-avoid-gop-ransom-demands-debt-ceiling-co.'>http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/sta n-collender/2289/senate-dems-touting-14t h-amendment-avoid-gop-ransom-demands-deb t-ceiling-co.</a></p>
<p>In fact, I can&#8217;t see that you are contributing anything to this story at all. You would done better just to refer us all to the Capital Gains and Games blog.</p>
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		<title>By: KJMClark</title>
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		<dc:creator>KJMClark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blah, blah, blah.  The Republicans already started the war, and they&#039;re determined to make it a war.  Oh my God, they might impeach!  So what?  

You mean the Republicans *didn&#039;t know* when they came up with the budget that it would increase the debt?  They already approved the extra debt.

Look, as long as Obama&#039;s in the Whitehouse, the Republicans are going to use every lever they can to wreck the economy and kick him out next year.  They&#039;re not concerned about the national interest or governing effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blah, blah, blah.  The Republicans already started the war, and they&#8217;re determined to make it a war.  Oh my God, they might impeach!  So what?  </p>
<p>You mean the Republicans *didn&#8217;t know* when they came up with the budget that it would increase the debt?  They already approved the extra debt.</p>
<p>Look, as long as Obama&#8217;s in the Whitehouse, the Republicans are going to use every lever they can to wreck the economy and kick him out next year.  They&#8217;re not concerned about the national interest or governing effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: djiddish98</title>
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		<dc:creator>djiddish98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 23:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, I guess that would require another congressional change to the operations of the fed/treasury. So never mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, I guess that would require another congressional change to the operations of the fed/treasury. So never mind.</p>
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		<title>By: djiddish98</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/07/05/can-obama-declare-the-debt-ceiling-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-28199</link>
		<dc:creator>djiddish98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 23:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or we could not issue bonds, and just control the fed funds rate via tight interest rates on excess reserves and borrowed reserves, roughly 25 bp above and below the Fed&#039;s desired FFR,  respectively. 

I wonder how the financial community would like that - no more riskless treasuries to earn interest on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or we could not issue bonds, and just control the fed funds rate via tight interest rates on excess reserves and borrowed reserves, roughly 25 bp above and below the Fed&#8217;s desired FFR,  respectively. </p>
<p>I wonder how the financial community would like that &#8211; no more riskless treasuries to earn interest on.</p>
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		<title>By: LadyGodiva</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/07/05/can-obama-declare-the-debt-ceiling-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-28197</link>
		<dc:creator>LadyGodiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By &quot;this man&quot; I meant Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#8220;this man&#8221; I meant Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: LadyGodiva</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/07/05/can-obama-declare-the-debt-ceiling-unconstitutional/comment-page-1/#comment-28195</link>
		<dc:creator>LadyGodiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are just about at the scene in the movie where an old woman fires a shotgun in the air to break up the ruckus.

Who is she?  Where are the grownups?

Boehner is no great shakes, but we didn&#039;t elect him to be our negotiator in chief, to knock heads together and make deals happen.  I see no leadership skills in this man.  And so the pygmies run riot.  Well, what did you expect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are just about at the scene in the movie where an old woman fires a shotgun in the air to break up the ruckus.</p>
<p>Who is she?  Where are the grownups?</p>
<p>Boehner is no great shakes, but we didn&#8217;t elect him to be our negotiator in chief, to knock heads together and make deals happen.  I see no leadership skills in this man.  And so the pygmies run riot.  Well, what did you expect?</p>
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		<title>By: dWj</title>
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		<dc:creator>dWj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 21:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s quite a leap from &quot;the debts can&#039;t be questioned&quot; to &quot;the President can incur new debts without permission from other branches of government&quot;.  Not to say that implausible leaps haven&#039;t been made before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s quite a leap from &#8220;the debts can&#8217;t be questioned&#8221; to &#8220;the President can incur new debts without permission from other branches of government&#8221;.  Not to say that implausible leaps haven&#8217;t been made before.</p>
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		<title>By: silliness</title>
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		<dc:creator>silliness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 21:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am of the opinion that it is the GOP who declared political war so we might as well have at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am of the opinion that it is the GOP who declared political war so we might as well have at it.</p>
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		<title>By: GRRR</title>
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		<dc:creator>GRRR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 21:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case someone asks (ahem, Patriot_70): What did your favorite President do with the federal debt between the first day he took office and the end of his term (or with Obama, the last monthly stat available (May 2011):
Reagan = +185%
Bush Sr. = +55%
Clinton = +37%
Dubya = +89%
Obama = +32%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case someone asks (ahem, Patriot_70): What did your favorite President do with the federal debt between the first day he took office and the end of his term (or with Obama, the last monthly stat available (May 2011):<br />
Reagan = +185%<br />
Bush Sr. = +55%<br />
Clinton = +37%<br />
Dubya = +89%<br />
Obama = +32%</p>
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