Comments on: The markets are falling, not panicking http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/18/the-markets-are-falling-not-panicking/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: mfw13 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/18/the-markets-are-falling-not-panicking/comment-page-1/#comment-29788 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:57:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9406#comment-29788 I think the current behavior of the market is reflection of people’s attitudes vis-a-vis the economic and political outlook more than anything else.

The economy is stuck in neutral, the employment picture is bleak, and the political system is dysfunctional. Is it any suprise that people are starting to wonder where the increased corporate profits which would support a market upturn are going to come from?

Let’s not forget that until the recent correction, the market had more than doubled from it’s March 2009 lows without a single pullback of at least 10% along the way. It’s not like you needed to be a genius to see that the market was due for a correction sometime soon.

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By: Neroll http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/18/the-markets-are-falling-not-panicking/comment-page-1/#comment-29776 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:31:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9406#comment-29776 @FifthDecade

I find your approach concerning ratios like “P/E” quite interesting. First off, i wouldnt know why they wouldnt be true today, too.

Secondly, as an Investor from Germany (who invests almost exclusively in German stocks) I found P/E ratios below 10 even before this recent crash quite often. In my amateur opinion many of the stocks that are crashing now were not overvalued (by a conservative, value investing point of view)

So, that’s why I think that this isnt permanent (getting back to oldschool valuations if you will) but rather a highly emotion – driven market, which almost completly ignores the teachings of Dodd/ Graham and the like.

For me, this is buying time.

Greetings from Germany,

Neroll

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By: caycep http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/18/the-markets-are-falling-not-panicking/comment-page-1/#comment-29756 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:37:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9406#comment-29756 Have you considered adding a space for questions, in lieu of a contact form? Just a thought. (Correct me if wrong, but registration info is private, right?)

This is slightly off-topic; apologies to anyone beyond its intended audience. It is about trying to find rational responses to an increasingly uncivilized world.

In 2008, media companies laid off decent people. So it’s sad to find certain outfits, including newspapers, continuing to pay others who break the rules. A few of them seem to be afflicted with serious moral/chemical disorders — say, some mix of bipolar, narcissistic and sociopathic conditions.

Apparently, these individuals have nothing better to do than gossip, hunt strangers around the Internet, and concoct half-baked contortions about posts which do not have the first f…ing thing to do with them.

I chose this moniker with under 3 three minutes’ reflection. It’s from a book I read half a decade ago, and had not opened in at least a year. For me, the book’s emotional center rested on several themes: a grieving process; resolving weirdness/uncertainty; lawbreaking; lawbreakers suffering consequences, injury and blood loss; and people who pretend to be better at what they do than they are.

I’d like to include the part about an industry in a “winnowing process” — and how you know the dregs by how low they’re willing to sink. But I didn’t remember those or any other precise words, except that duck in the face line, until I dug it out to re-read last night.

I did not choose it because my name is Cayce. In fact, I chose it for the opposite reason. For once, I wanted to comment without having to worry about how some d-mn fool would react to it.

Again, apologies to anyone else who read that.

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By: PeterMarlow http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/18/the-markets-are-falling-not-panicking/comment-page-1/#comment-29751 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:40:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9406#comment-29751 “Now, by contrast, bank stocks are low, but the famous TED spread, for instance — one of the best indicators of the degree of faith that financial institutions have in each other — is still less than 30 basis points. It spiked to more than 400bp at the height of the crisis.”

Perhaps banks are bypassing each other and conducting emergency borrowing directly from the central banks….making such measures less meaningful.

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By: FifthDecade http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/18/the-markets-are-falling-not-panicking/comment-page-1/#comment-29750 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:18:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9406#comment-29750 The two takeovers you mention are desperation takeovers. Google is worried about its Android phone OS being litgated out of existence, and Motorola has lots of patents. Even so, $700,000 per patent is a big price unless you want to attempt an Apple ecosystem copycat set up.

With Autonomy, HP are also making a desperation play: PC sales are plummeting and there is talk of HP hiving off its computer making arm, their new Tablet isn’t contributing to earnings as they hoped it would being discounted by $100 just weeks after launch, and cashflow is presumably suffering – hence the need to bring in a cashflow producer such as Autonomy.

There is also talk of ARM being in play, with Intel as the main predator, but this too can be seen as a desperation move. ARM are eroding large parts of Intels potential markets, even Microsoft are now producing an OS for an ARM chip and Apple’s own mobile chips are based on ARM designs.

For too long analysts have relied on ‘predicted’ P/E ratios and overvalued stocks accordingly, especially in the Tech area. Maybe this correction is going to see a return to checking the real reported values, not those based on yet to be confirmed guesswork.

When I was a teenager many moons ago a P/E ratio over 10 was seen to be ‘adventurous’ but for some time now they have been described as bargains. Are we just being hit over the wallet with reality? Are we being led by a few inexperienced young traders who are manufacturing their own fear through their actions? Or is there a darker sub-plot to all this set up to disguise the reserve currency issues the US is having right now?

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By: Jboy609 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/18/the-markets-are-falling-not-panicking/comment-page-1/#comment-29740 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:57:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9406#comment-29740 Of course GRRR, no need for analysis when you have charts.

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By: GRRR http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/18/the-markets-are-falling-not-panicking/comment-page-1/#comment-29734 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:50:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9406#comment-29734 I happen to think that this is a repeat of 2008. If you look broadly at the DJI from a 5-year graph, it’s quite clear that the market has been in retreat for some time now. By zooming out that far, you can see how those 400+ pt upward swings were fairly insignificant to the broader trend pointing down. But that’s just my opinion.

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