Comments on: It’s time to get working on labor mobility http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/20/its-time-to-get-working-on-labor-mobility/ A slice of lime in the soda Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: allanc http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/20/its-time-to-get-working-on-labor-mobility/comment-page-1/#comment-30160 Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:17:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9440#comment-30160 The right people in the right place at the right time are indeed valuable. With this confluence, businesses will have people working for $1 a day. America will be a 3rd world country – actually all countries will be 3rd world with a very few rich spread out in a few world wide affluent cities.

I was a boy scout, straight A student through college (engineering), and I don’t buy this “free trade” “no borders” guff for a second. I believe in the American dream and of human rights. Everything that businesses want is antithetical to this.

Wake up and stop parroting industry talking points. There never has been a shortage of high tech workers. Do your homework and research. You’ll find that visas like the H1-B were designed solely to undercut the wages of high educated workers.

Man you are pedestrian.

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By: mrright http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/20/its-time-to-get-working-on-labor-mobility/comment-page-1/#comment-29992 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:01:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9440#comment-29992 The notion that the U.S. continues to be (or has ever been, for that matter) handicapped by a shortage of workers capable of handling high-tech jobs is a carefully crafted propaganda campaign orchestrated by America’s universities and corporations. Their goals are to keep our colleges’ graduate classrooms full and high-tech-job wages depressed. For every student graduated, universities get a kickback from their state government and for every “in-sourced” (foreign) high-tech worker, corporations get a subservient and obedient worker on a temporary visa that is happy with almost any wage. Every American should question why our controversial H-1B, F-1, and other immigration programs that in-source foreign workers for high-tech jobs, are so strongly supported by universities and corporations. The U.S. should instead focus on educating, then employing its own citizens.

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By: Curmudgeon http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/20/its-time-to-get-working-on-labor-mobility/comment-page-1/#comment-29902 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:35:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9440#comment-29902 I think the problem is the tremendous amount of friction in the labor market, rather than the lack of mobility. Having a fully mobile workforce won’t change the fact that we have an enormous amount of difficulty in connecting worker to job, even if qualifications and requirements are an exact match.

I have a job that didn’t exist before I was offered it. I was connected to the company through a mutual acquaintance, and was introduced to the CEO in an accidental twist of fate. I am almost certainly not the best qualified person for this job (and I work remotely so mobility doesn’t matter), but I was somehow the one that prompted the CEO to create the position.

That’s how the part of Silicon Valley that gets all of the accolades works. But it’s not how most are used to looking for a job. Employers want to have a personal investment in the candidate, and the ability of both employer and candidate to create that connection is poor.

Everyone from skilled tradesman to retail workers to professionals to employers have to increasing view the job/candidate search as a social experiment, and I simply don’t think that the vast majority of us are equipped to do so.

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By: hoapres http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/20/its-time-to-get-working-on-labor-mobility/comment-page-1/#comment-29856 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 00:43:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9440#comment-29856 The premise of the article being a shortage of software engineers in Silicon Valley is just completely wrong. You can go down to Guadualape River and look at the homeless IT people many that are over 40.

Prerejection is common in IT and especially in Silicon Valley. A common ground for prerejection is being unemployed or over 35.

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By: DanHess http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/20/its-time-to-get-working-on-labor-mobility/comment-page-1/#comment-29855 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 00:25:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9440#comment-29855 Felix, just because you seemingly can be happy with few roots, no strong connection to a place you call home, no religious community, no children, no deep connection to a particular culture and not much family nearby doesn’t mean everyone is like that.

These are all the things that give most people meaning and make most people happy. In times past with much higher fertility, people would start a new life somewhere and soon enough have their own clan but these days people are so atomized that great mobility means further isolation in a country that already has huge problems with this.

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By: hoapres http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/20/its-time-to-get-working-on-labor-mobility/comment-page-1/#comment-29853 Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:47:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9440#comment-29853 It’s amazing you hear about all these “shortages” in Silicon Valley with no factual basis. Sure, sure, sure, candidates have dozens of job offers any time they want.

What planet do these people live on ??

We have NO shortage of qualified people looking for work in Silicon Valley. A more apt description would be thousands and thousands and thousands of qualified people looking for work.

If jobs were really scarce then we would be seeing jobs with signing bonuses of thousands of dollars instead of offers of free lunch along with paid relocation.

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By: FDum http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/20/its-time-to-get-working-on-labor-mobility/comment-page-1/#comment-29852 Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:34:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9440#comment-29852 The flip side of this is our eagerness to export our jobs in the spirit of a free market and profits to US companies without demanding a level playing field for our employees. While we demand that H1B employees get equivalent wages to US workers (incl advertising for the job etc.) we don’t demand that any job that gets offshored have similar pension, healthcare and workplace obligations as we enforce in the US (obviously purchasing power adjusted etc.).
I’ve noted above how we should be encouraging the best talent to come to the US (@AmadeusX – that’s exactly why idiotic practices like learning log tables make these countries less competitive and talent moves here to the US). The converse is ensuring that whatever goes abroad, goes with the right stipulations and conditions. Which is not the case today.
A whole different story is how the profits from that export of jobs are not being repatriated to the original investors in the US (in a lot of cases, who are also employees affected by their job being off-shored with their 401Ks in the market). I’ve been seeing the $2 Trillion number thrown around. Would be nice to have 15% of our income come back to us after “we” (many of us being shareholders) paid for it with our jobs …
In sum, we need to be politically and economically consistent. Either we go all protectionist and raise trade barriers and talent barriers as some suggest, or we create a free flow of talent, but then ensure the profits come back to us in the US, and the playing field is a level one. We’re stuck in a strange middle ground, pandering to interest groups, and reaping the consequences.

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By: jlk123 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/20/its-time-to-get-working-on-labor-mobility/comment-page-1/#comment-29851 Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:18:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9440#comment-29851 During the 15 years I’ve been running my small software company, I’ve hired 2 H1Bs and many more US-born citizens. I don’t discriminate based on age: I’ve hired many programmers above age 40, some of whom are closing in on 60.

I have never struggled to find talent. Maybe that’s because people want to work for my company? Or maybe it is because I’m not fixated with hiring the cheapest labor available on the world market?

The US is filled with smart people who are ready and willing to work hard in business. The trouble is, large companies want cheap labor so they hire professional lobbyists to produce a fiction that the US has a “desperate labor shortage in technology” while capable workers can’t find jobs.

A few years ago, the US Government gave Sri Lanka several million dollars to teach people the Java programming language and improve their English. One mother in the US commented at the time that her daughter, a fresh college grad who was struggling to find a programming job, would love to get paid by the US to learn Java and she already knew English!

Sure, the above paragraph may make me sound xenophobic. That’s nonsense. I grew up in NYC and love people of all walks of life from anywhere in the world. What I dislike is the manufactured fiction that the US suffers from a desperate labor shortage in technology. It is time to begin actively refuting such damaging fictions.

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By: black_13 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/20/its-time-to-get-working-on-labor-mobility/comment-page-1/#comment-29850 Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:59:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9440#comment-29850 I don’t know know what shortage your are talking about. As for Silicon Valley that’s one thing but For Austin I have seen a stack of at least 50 resumes for one job at the company I work for. The resumes were all from highly experienced people with degrees from good colleges. So you’re statement about a shortage is BULL. What I suspect it really is, is a shortage of CHEAP labor. All of the resumes I saw in the stack were from highly experienced and seasoned people who I don’t doubt had expectation of a reasonable salary and benefits. And the company I work being in Texas likes to not hire technical people full time.
If there is really and truly shortage of people in your state then train the young people in your state and hire them. Honestly I don’t have degree in computer science I learned everything on the job. Let some of these companies who are crying poor mouth hire some of the kids who can’t find a job … spend some time and money on them let them become productive CITIZENS.

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By: hoapres http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/20/its-time-to-get-working-on-labor-mobility/comment-page-1/#comment-29849 Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:54:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/?p=9440#comment-29849 Start living like a North Korean to save America. For those of you without work then likely you have no choice. Those of you that do should start saving money for the extremely grim times to come. For those of you that are understandably skeptical of my claims of “extremely grim times” to come then you can go to the Dice discussion boards looking at my prior past predictions before I was banned.

In a nutshell

I want YOU to train YOUR H1B replacement.

Or as said by more than one exec :

Americans as a condition of receiving their severance working proudly together training their Indian H1B replacements to export jobs.

This should be a no brainer : If you have to choose more foreigners coming to the US versus the job going overseas then we are all much better off for the job to go overseas as the American is not getting the job in the first place.

Most IT is just labor. If I don’t like the fact that I can’t find a good plumber then I pay more money to get one. I don’t like the quality of the American workforce then go out and pay more money.

IT is not theoretical physics with increasing salaries not solving your labor shortage. Theoretical physics unlike software engineering is a field justifying allowing the few solitary geniuses.

Importing millions of H1Bs over the past couple of decades just was for cost.

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