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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s time to get working on labor mobility</title>
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		<title>By: allanc</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/20/its-time-to-get-working-on-labor-mobility/comment-page-1/#comment-30160</link>
		<dc:creator>allanc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The right people in the right place at the right time are indeed valuable. With this confluence, businesses will have people working for $1 a day. America will be a 3rd world country - actually all countries will be 3rd world with a very few rich spread out in a few world wide affluent cities.

I was a boy scout, straight A student through college (engineering), and I don&#039;t buy this &quot;free trade&quot; &quot;no borders&quot; guff for a second. I believe in the American dream and of human rights. Everything that businesses want is antithetical to this.

Wake up and stop parroting industry talking points. There never has been a shortage of high tech workers. Do your homework and research. You&#039;ll find that visas like the H1-B were designed solely to undercut the wages of high educated workers.

Man you are pedestrian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right people in the right place at the right time are indeed valuable. With this confluence, businesses will have people working for $1 a day. America will be a 3rd world country &#8211; actually all countries will be 3rd world with a very few rich spread out in a few world wide affluent cities.</p>
<p>I was a boy scout, straight A student through college (engineering), and I don&#8217;t buy this &#8220;free trade&#8221; &#8220;no borders&#8221; guff for a second. I believe in the American dream and of human rights. Everything that businesses want is antithetical to this.</p>
<p>Wake up and stop parroting industry talking points. There never has been a shortage of high tech workers. Do your homework and research. You&#8217;ll find that visas like the H1-B were designed solely to undercut the wages of high educated workers.</p>
<p>Man you are pedestrian.</p>
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		<title>By: mrright</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The notion that the U.S. continues to be (or has ever been, for that matter) handicapped by a shortage of workers capable of handling high-tech jobs is a carefully crafted propaganda campaign orchestrated by America&#039;s universities and corporations.  Their goals are to keep our colleges&#039; graduate classrooms full and high-tech-job wages depressed. For every student graduated, universities get a kickback from their state government and for every &quot;in-sourced&quot; (foreign) high-tech worker, corporations get a subservient and obedient worker on a temporary visa that is happy with almost any wage.  Every American should question why our controversial H-1B, F-1, and other immigration programs that in-source foreign workers for high-tech jobs, are so strongly supported by universities and corporations.  The U.S. should instead focus on educating, then employing its own citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notion that the U.S. continues to be (or has ever been, for that matter) handicapped by a shortage of workers capable of handling high-tech jobs is a carefully crafted propaganda campaign orchestrated by America&#8217;s universities and corporations.  Their goals are to keep our colleges&#8217; graduate classrooms full and high-tech-job wages depressed. For every student graduated, universities get a kickback from their state government and for every &#8220;in-sourced&#8221; (foreign) high-tech worker, corporations get a subservient and obedient worker on a temporary visa that is happy with almost any wage.  Every American should question why our controversial H-1B, F-1, and other immigration programs that in-source foreign workers for high-tech jobs, are so strongly supported by universities and corporations.  The U.S. should instead focus on educating, then employing its own citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Curmudgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem is the tremendous amount of friction in the labor market, rather than the lack of mobility.  Having a fully mobile workforce won&#039;t change the fact that we have an enormous amount of difficulty in connecting worker to job, even if qualifications and requirements are an exact match.

I have a job that didn&#039;t exist before I was offered it.  I was connected to the company through a mutual acquaintance, and was introduced to the CEO in an accidental twist of fate.  I am almost certainly not the best qualified person for this job (and I work remotely so mobility doesn&#039;t matter), but I was somehow the one that prompted the CEO to create the position.

That&#039;s how the part of Silicon Valley that gets all of the accolades works.  But it&#039;s not how most are used to looking for a job.  Employers want to have a personal investment in the candidate, and the ability of both employer and candidate to create that connection is poor.

Everyone from skilled tradesman to retail workers to professionals to employers have to increasing view the job/candidate search as a social experiment, and I simply don&#039;t think that the vast majority of us are equipped to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem is the tremendous amount of friction in the labor market, rather than the lack of mobility.  Having a fully mobile workforce won&#8217;t change the fact that we have an enormous amount of difficulty in connecting worker to job, even if qualifications and requirements are an exact match.</p>
<p>I have a job that didn&#8217;t exist before I was offered it.  I was connected to the company through a mutual acquaintance, and was introduced to the CEO in an accidental twist of fate.  I am almost certainly not the best qualified person for this job (and I work remotely so mobility doesn&#8217;t matter), but I was somehow the one that prompted the CEO to create the position.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how the part of Silicon Valley that gets all of the accolades works.  But it&#8217;s not how most are used to looking for a job.  Employers want to have a personal investment in the candidate, and the ability of both employer and candidate to create that connection is poor.</p>
<p>Everyone from skilled tradesman to retail workers to professionals to employers have to increasing view the job/candidate search as a social experiment, and I simply don&#8217;t think that the vast majority of us are equipped to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: hoapres</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/20/its-time-to-get-working-on-labor-mobility/comment-page-1/#comment-29856</link>
		<dc:creator>hoapres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 00:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The premise of the article being a shortage of software engineers in Silicon Valley is just completely wrong.  You can go down to Guadualape River and look at the homeless IT people many that are over 40.

Prerejection is common in IT and especially in Silicon Valley.  A common ground for prerejection is being unemployed or over 35.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The premise of the article being a shortage of software engineers in Silicon Valley is just completely wrong.  You can go down to Guadualape River and look at the homeless IT people many that are over 40.</p>
<p>Prerejection is common in IT and especially in Silicon Valley.  A common ground for prerejection is being unemployed or over 35.</p>
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		<title>By: DanHess</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanHess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 00:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix, just because you seemingly can be happy with few roots, no strong connection to a place you call home, no religious community, no children, no deep connection to a particular culture and not much family nearby doesn&#039;t mean everyone is like that.

These are all the things that give most people meaning and make most people happy.  In times past with much higher fertility, people would start a new life somewhere and soon enough have their own clan but these days people are so atomized that great mobility means further isolation in a country that already has huge problems with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix, just because you seemingly can be happy with few roots, no strong connection to a place you call home, no religious community, no children, no deep connection to a particular culture and not much family nearby doesn&#8217;t mean everyone is like that.</p>
<p>These are all the things that give most people meaning and make most people happy.  In times past with much higher fertility, people would start a new life somewhere and soon enough have their own clan but these days people are so atomized that great mobility means further isolation in a country that already has huge problems with this.</p>
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		<title>By: hoapres</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/20/its-time-to-get-working-on-labor-mobility/comment-page-1/#comment-29853</link>
		<dc:creator>hoapres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing you hear about all these &quot;shortages&quot; in Silicon Valley with no factual basis.  Sure, sure, sure, candidates have dozens of job offers any time they want.

What planet do these people live on ??

We have NO shortage of qualified people looking for work in Silicon Valley.  A more apt description would be thousands and thousands and thousands of qualified people looking for work.

If jobs were really scarce then we would be seeing jobs with signing bonuses of thousands of dollars instead of offers of free lunch along with paid relocation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing you hear about all these &#8220;shortages&#8221; in Silicon Valley with no factual basis.  Sure, sure, sure, candidates have dozens of job offers any time they want.</p>
<p>What planet do these people live on ??</p>
<p>We have NO shortage of qualified people looking for work in Silicon Valley.  A more apt description would be thousands and thousands and thousands of qualified people looking for work.</p>
<p>If jobs were really scarce then we would be seeing jobs with signing bonuses of thousands of dollars instead of offers of free lunch along with paid relocation.</p>
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		<title>By: FDum</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The flip side of this is our eagerness to export our jobs in the spirit of a free market and profits to US companies without demanding a level playing field for our employees. While we demand that H1B employees get equivalent wages to US workers (incl advertising for the job etc.) we don&#039;t demand that any job that gets offshored have similar pension, healthcare and workplace obligations as we enforce in the US (obviously purchasing power adjusted etc.).
I&#039;ve noted above how we should be encouraging the best talent to come to the US (@AmadeusX - that&#039;s exactly why idiotic practices like learning log tables make these countries less competitive and talent moves here to the US). The converse is ensuring that whatever goes abroad, goes with the right stipulations and conditions. Which is not the case today. 
A whole different story is how the profits from that export of jobs are not being repatriated to the original investors in the US (in a lot of cases, who are also employees affected by their job being off-shored with their 401Ks in the market). I&#039;ve been seeing the $2 Trillion number thrown around. Would be nice to have 15% of our income come back to us after &quot;we&quot; (many of us being shareholders) paid for it with our jobs ...
In sum, we need to be politically and economically consistent. Either we go all protectionist and raise trade barriers and talent barriers as some suggest, or we create a free flow of talent, but then ensure the profits come back to us in the US, and the playing field is a level one. We&#039;re stuck in a strange middle ground, pandering to interest groups, and reaping the consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The flip side of this is our eagerness to export our jobs in the spirit of a free market and profits to US companies without demanding a level playing field for our employees. While we demand that H1B employees get equivalent wages to US workers (incl advertising for the job etc.) we don&#8217;t demand that any job that gets offshored have similar pension, healthcare and workplace obligations as we enforce in the US (obviously purchasing power adjusted etc.).<br />
I&#8217;ve noted above how we should be encouraging the best talent to come to the US (@AmadeusX &#8211; that&#8217;s exactly why idiotic practices like learning log tables make these countries less competitive and talent moves here to the US). The converse is ensuring that whatever goes abroad, goes with the right stipulations and conditions. Which is not the case today.<br />
A whole different story is how the profits from that export of jobs are not being repatriated to the original investors in the US (in a lot of cases, who are also employees affected by their job being off-shored with their 401Ks in the market). I&#8217;ve been seeing the $2 Trillion number thrown around. Would be nice to have 15% of our income come back to us after &#8220;we&#8221; (many of us being shareholders) paid for it with our jobs &#8230;<br />
In sum, we need to be politically and economically consistent. Either we go all protectionist and raise trade barriers and talent barriers as some suggest, or we create a free flow of talent, but then ensure the profits come back to us in the US, and the playing field is a level one. We&#8217;re stuck in a strange middle ground, pandering to interest groups, and reaping the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: jlk123</title>
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		<dc:creator>jlk123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the 15 years I&#039;ve been running my small software company, I&#039;ve hired 2 H1Bs and many more US-born citizens.  I don&#039;t discriminate based on age: I&#039;ve hired many programmers above age 40, some of whom are closing in on 60. 

I have never struggled to find talent. Maybe that&#039;s because people want to work for my company?  Or maybe it is because I&#039;m not fixated with hiring the cheapest labor available on the world market?    

The US is filled with smart people who are ready and willing to work hard in business.  The trouble is, large companies want cheap labor so they hire professional lobbyists to produce a fiction that the US has a &quot;desperate labor shortage in technology&quot; while capable workers can&#039;t find jobs. 

A few years ago, the US Government gave Sri Lanka several million dollars to teach people the Java programming language and improve their English.  One mother in the US commented at the time that her daughter, a fresh college grad who was struggling to find a programming job, would love to get paid by the US to learn Java and she already knew English!  

Sure, the above paragraph may make me sound xenophobic.  That&#039;s nonsense.  I grew up in NYC and love people of all walks of life from anywhere in the world.  What I dislike is the manufactured fiction that the US suffers from a desperate labor shortage in technology.  It is time to begin actively refuting such damaging fictions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the 15 years I&#8217;ve been running my small software company, I&#8217;ve hired 2 H1Bs and many more US-born citizens.  I don&#8217;t discriminate based on age: I&#8217;ve hired many programmers above age 40, some of whom are closing in on 60. </p>
<p>I have never struggled to find talent. Maybe that&#8217;s because people want to work for my company?  Or maybe it is because I&#8217;m not fixated with hiring the cheapest labor available on the world market?    </p>
<p>The US is filled with smart people who are ready and willing to work hard in business.  The trouble is, large companies want cheap labor so they hire professional lobbyists to produce a fiction that the US has a &#8220;desperate labor shortage in technology&#8221; while capable workers can&#8217;t find jobs. </p>
<p>A few years ago, the US Government gave Sri Lanka several million dollars to teach people the Java programming language and improve their English.  One mother in the US commented at the time that her daughter, a fresh college grad who was struggling to find a programming job, would love to get paid by the US to learn Java and she already knew English!  </p>
<p>Sure, the above paragraph may make me sound xenophobic.  That&#8217;s nonsense.  I grew up in NYC and love people of all walks of life from anywhere in the world.  What I dislike is the manufactured fiction that the US suffers from a desperate labor shortage in technology.  It is time to begin actively refuting such damaging fictions.</p>
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		<title>By: black_13</title>
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		<dc:creator>black_13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know know what shortage your are talking about.  As for Silicon Valley that&#039;s one thing but For Austin I have seen a stack of at least 50 resumes for one job at the company I work for. The resumes were all from highly experienced people with degrees from good colleges.  So you&#039;re statement about a shortage is BULL.  What I suspect it really is, is a shortage of CHEAP labor. All of the resumes I saw in the stack were from highly experienced and seasoned people who I don&#039;t doubt had expectation of a reasonable salary and benefits. And the company I work being in Texas likes to not hire technical people full time.
If there is really and truly shortage of people in your state then train the young people in your state and hire them. Honestly I don&#039;t have degree in computer science I learned everything on the job. Let some of these companies who are crying poor mouth hire some of the kids who can&#039;t find a job ... spend some time and money on them let them become productive CITIZENS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know know what shortage your are talking about.  As for Silicon Valley that&#8217;s one thing but For Austin I have seen a stack of at least 50 resumes for one job at the company I work for. The resumes were all from highly experienced people with degrees from good colleges.  So you&#8217;re statement about a shortage is BULL.  What I suspect it really is, is a shortage of CHEAP labor. All of the resumes I saw in the stack were from highly experienced and seasoned people who I don&#8217;t doubt had expectation of a reasonable salary and benefits. And the company I work being in Texas likes to not hire technical people full time.<br />
If there is really and truly shortage of people in your state then train the young people in your state and hire them. Honestly I don&#8217;t have degree in computer science I learned everything on the job. Let some of these companies who are crying poor mouth hire some of the kids who can&#8217;t find a job &#8230; spend some time and money on them let them become productive CITIZENS.</p>
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		<title>By: hoapres</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoapres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Start living like a North Korean to save America.  For those of you without work then likely you have no choice.  Those of you that do should start saving money for the extremely grim times to come.  For those of you that are understandably skeptical of my claims of &quot;extremely grim times&quot; to come then you can go to the Dice discussion boards looking at my prior past predictions before I was banned.

In a nutshell

I want YOU to train YOUR H1B replacement.

Or as said by more than one exec :

Americans as a condition of receiving their severance working proudly together training their Indian H1B replacements to export jobs.

This should be a no brainer : If you have to choose more foreigners coming to the US versus the job going overseas then we are all much better off for the job to go overseas as the American is not getting the job in the first place.

Most IT is just labor.  If I don&#039;t like the fact that I can&#039;t find a good plumber then I pay more money to get one.  I don&#039;t like the quality of the American workforce then go out and pay more money.

IT is not theoretical physics with increasing salaries not solving your labor shortage.  Theoretical physics unlike software engineering is a field justifying allowing the few solitary geniuses.

Importing millions of H1Bs over the past couple of decades just was for cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Start living like a North Korean to save America.  For those of you without work then likely you have no choice.  Those of you that do should start saving money for the extremely grim times to come.  For those of you that are understandably skeptical of my claims of &#8220;extremely grim times&#8221; to come then you can go to the Dice discussion boards looking at my prior past predictions before I was banned.</p>
<p>In a nutshell</p>
<p>I want YOU to train YOUR H1B replacement.</p>
<p>Or as said by more than one exec :</p>
<p>Americans as a condition of receiving their severance working proudly together training their Indian H1B replacements to export jobs.</p>
<p>This should be a no brainer : If you have to choose more foreigners coming to the US versus the job going overseas then we are all much better off for the job to go overseas as the American is not getting the job in the first place.</p>
<p>Most IT is just labor.  If I don&#8217;t like the fact that I can&#8217;t find a good plumber then I pay more money to get one.  I don&#8217;t like the quality of the American workforce then go out and pay more money.</p>
<p>IT is not theoretical physics with increasing salaries not solving your labor shortage.  Theoretical physics unlike software engineering is a field justifying allowing the few solitary geniuses.</p>
<p>Importing millions of H1Bs over the past couple of decades just was for cost.</p>
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		<title>By: hoapres</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoapres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The unemployed in Silicon Valley are getting sick and tired of the nonsense of hearing about labor shortages.  And it gets even more tiring using Google as an example of an immigrant success story when the &quot;immigrant&quot; came over to the US at 6 years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unemployed in Silicon Valley are getting sick and tired of the nonsense of hearing about labor shortages.  And it gets even more tiring using Google as an example of an immigrant success story when the &#8220;immigrant&#8221; came over to the US at 6 years old.</p>
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		<title>By: Strych09</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strych09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the post by &#039;silliness&#039;, above, who decrys this post, with which Felix Salmon moves firmly into the neoliberal washington consensus camp. I expect to see a post by Brad DeLong and et. al., providing a link and a supportive line or two. 

Oh, wait: here it is, a post by none other than up-and-coming neoliberal soothsayer Matthew Yglesias on Aug 21, 2011 at 12:30 pm, lauding global labor mobility as a response to unfettered global capitalisms ability to direct capital anywhere in the world on a whim.

Was there a neoliberal apologist dinner that everybody went to and decided what to post about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the post by &#8216;silliness&#8217;, above, who decrys this post, with which Felix Salmon moves firmly into the neoliberal washington consensus camp. I expect to see a post by Brad DeLong and et. al., providing a link and a supportive line or two. </p>
<p>Oh, wait: here it is, a post by none other than up-and-coming neoliberal soothsayer Matthew Yglesias on Aug 21, 2011 at 12:30 pm, lauding global labor mobility as a response to unfettered global capitalisms ability to direct capital anywhere in the world on a whim.</p>
<p>Was there a neoliberal apologist dinner that everybody went to and decided what to post about?</p>
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		<title>By: onthelake</title>
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		<dc:creator>onthelake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Detroit, for instance, has painfully high levels of unemployment just because there aren’t nearly enough jobs in the city, any more, to support its population. The solution is for people in Detroit to move to where jobs are more plentiful.
__

Dreadfully facile and condescending article.

(1) Move with WHAT?  Moving takes money - quite a lot of money as in at least 4 figures.

(2) Move to WHERE?  Jobs for the bottom 75% (paying less than $50,000) aren&#039;t exactly the sort of job that an employer will keep open while the employee arranges a move of a thousand miles or more and can&#039;t start work for a couple months or more. They can&#039;t just pack up and move and hope to find a job because of (3) below.

(3) Live WHERE if they just move to hunt for a job? No one will rent to them if they don&#039;t have a job in the new area. They can&#039;t get a mortgage in a new area if they don&#039;t have job or if they haven&#039;t held the job that long.   So where do they live while they look for a new job?  In a tent? Under a bridge?

(4) And what happens to the spouse who still has a job where they live? Quit?  Move off with the unemployed spouse/partner who is going to relocate to look for work?  And if the unemployed partner/spouse finds a job hundreds or thousands of miles away does does the employed spouse/partner do? Stay behind and split up the marriage? QUit to go along and hope they can find something - so now you still have 1 who is unemployed?

Employers do not offer relocation assistance to any employees except the very top 5-10% in an organization. They certainly won&#039;t help the spouse who had to quit their job to move with the unemployed partner.

Getting rid of the house is far less a problem - sell it, rent it, walk away - than the problem of the 2 earner household.   

And then there is the problem of  extended family responsibilites - elderly parents, etc. DO they take them along to live in a tent while the  unemployed person looks for a job in a new area and the one who was employed has quit their job?

Stupid and facile nonsense that assumes that there is only 1 wage earner in a household and that all the unemployed are looking for jobs where the employer will wait for them to move or help them move and that they have the money in hand to move.

Try dealing with the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Detroit, for instance, has painfully high levels of unemployment just because there aren’t nearly enough jobs in the city, any more, to support its population. The solution is for people in Detroit to move to where jobs are more plentiful.<br />
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<p>Dreadfully facile and condescending article.</p>
<p>(1) Move with WHAT?  Moving takes money &#8211; quite a lot of money as in at least 4 figures.</p>
<p>(2) Move to WHERE?  Jobs for the bottom 75% (paying less than $50,000) aren&#8217;t exactly the sort of job that an employer will keep open while the employee arranges a move of a thousand miles or more and can&#8217;t start work for a couple months or more. They can&#8217;t just pack up and move and hope to find a job because of (3) below.</p>
<p>(3) Live WHERE if they just move to hunt for a job? No one will rent to them if they don&#8217;t have a job in the new area. They can&#8217;t get a mortgage in a new area if they don&#8217;t have job or if they haven&#8217;t held the job that long.   So where do they live while they look for a new job?  In a tent? Under a bridge?</p>
<p>(4) And what happens to the spouse who still has a job where they live? Quit?  Move off with the unemployed spouse/partner who is going to relocate to look for work?  And if the unemployed partner/spouse finds a job hundreds or thousands of miles away does does the employed spouse/partner do? Stay behind and split up the marriage? QUit to go along and hope they can find something &#8211; so now you still have 1 who is unemployed?</p>
<p>Employers do not offer relocation assistance to any employees except the very top 5-10% in an organization. They certainly won&#8217;t help the spouse who had to quit their job to move with the unemployed partner.</p>
<p>Getting rid of the house is far less a problem &#8211; sell it, rent it, walk away &#8211; than the problem of the 2 earner household.   </p>
<p>And then there is the problem of  extended family responsibilites &#8211; elderly parents, etc. DO they take them along to live in a tent while the  unemployed person looks for a job in a new area and the one who was employed has quit their job?</p>
<p>Stupid and facile nonsense that assumes that there is only 1 wage earner in a household and that all the unemployed are looking for jobs where the employer will wait for them to move or help them move and that they have the money in hand to move.</p>
<p>Try dealing with the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: AmadeusX</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DFrum wrote: &quot;do you realize that many of them [grads from IITs or Chinese institutes], since they aren’t allowed calculators, actually memorize log tables… that’s hard work&quot;.

It is hard work that would be better spent on an activity with a higher return on investment. I am willing to bet  that none of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, or Larry Ellison ever memorized a single log tables. In fact, all of them are college dropouts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DFrum wrote: &#8220;do you realize that many of them [grads from IITs or Chinese institutes], since they aren’t allowed calculators, actually memorize log tables… that’s hard work&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is hard work that would be better spent on an activity with a higher return on investment. I am willing to bet  that none of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, or Larry Ellison ever memorized a single log tables. In fact, all of them are college dropouts.</p>
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		<title>By: CharlieH</title>
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		<dc:creator>CharlieH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is chasing up the wrong tree.  The problem is that labor mobility we have has been set up primarily to benefit capital&#039;s needs, while capital mobility, and the regulation of capital, has also evolved for the benefit of capital.

So, we have labor mobility in the form of outsourcing and immigrant farm labor, while people who live in disadvantaged places are more or less stuck unless they can move ( a low mobility solution ) or tap into a stream set up for the advantage of capital.

Focusing on H1-B I think misses the big picture.  I do think those who focus on anti-immigration measures are overlooking a historical trend, which is that periods in which immigration is suppressed over fears about jobs tend to coincide with extended periods of stagnation - the immigration itself is a growth driver, and when you suppress immigration in hopes of protecting local jobs during a period of stagnation, that doesn&#039;t do anything to put a floor under the macroeconomy.

As for productivity driving growth when population is flat- that&#039;s correct - but if all the gains are going to capital and our biggest problem in the federal government is &#039;the deficit&#039; - while the biggest problem in the rest of the economy is that it is serving only the top 1/4 of 1% well and leaving 15% or so of the population that should be working idle while constraining the options and incomes of another 70% - kind of obvious that a solution which doesn&#039;t significantly drag down the idea of upward mobility and a breadth of participation has to realign the structure of business.  If Pepsi isn&#039;t managing to correct some of the US based imbalances with its international strategy, then the nation&#039;s interests lie in changing the way the company thinks and acts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is chasing up the wrong tree.  The problem is that labor mobility we have has been set up primarily to benefit capital&#8217;s needs, while capital mobility, and the regulation of capital, has also evolved for the benefit of capital.</p>
<p>So, we have labor mobility in the form of outsourcing and immigrant farm labor, while people who live in disadvantaged places are more or less stuck unless they can move ( a low mobility solution ) or tap into a stream set up for the advantage of capital.</p>
<p>Focusing on H1-B I think misses the big picture.  I do think those who focus on anti-immigration measures are overlooking a historical trend, which is that periods in which immigration is suppressed over fears about jobs tend to coincide with extended periods of stagnation &#8211; the immigration itself is a growth driver, and when you suppress immigration in hopes of protecting local jobs during a period of stagnation, that doesn&#8217;t do anything to put a floor under the macroeconomy.</p>
<p>As for productivity driving growth when population is flat- that&#8217;s correct &#8211; but if all the gains are going to capital and our biggest problem in the federal government is &#8216;the deficit&#8217; &#8211; while the biggest problem in the rest of the economy is that it is serving only the top 1/4 of 1% well and leaving 15% or so of the population that should be working idle while constraining the options and incomes of another 70% &#8211; kind of obvious that a solution which doesn&#8217;t significantly drag down the idea of upward mobility and a breadth of participation has to realign the structure of business.  If Pepsi isn&#8217;t managing to correct some of the US based imbalances with its international strategy, then the nation&#8217;s interests lie in changing the way the company thinks and acts.</p>
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