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	<title>Comments on: Cracking down on job-candidate credit checks</title>
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		<title>By: aminahyaquin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/09/26/cracking-down-on-job-candidate-credit-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-31653</link>
		<dc:creator>aminahyaquin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a breath of fresh air. This is wonderful initiative. Many folks with great credit have bad character and vice versa.

Years ago, folks could make investment mistakes or become ill or have a house fire or what have you and it was not the end of their credit worthiness but a life experience that can actually build good character,and better knowledge base...

now the rich rule our nation with an iron rod of a million and one forms of debters&#039; prisons--  we all know the uber class  has such wonderful moral values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a breath of fresh air. This is wonderful initiative. Many folks with great credit have bad character and vice versa.</p>
<p>Years ago, folks could make investment mistakes or become ill or have a house fire or what have you and it was not the end of their credit worthiness but a life experience that can actually build good character,and better knowledge base&#8230;</p>
<p>now the rich rule our nation with an iron rod of a million and one forms of debters&#8217; prisons&#8211;  we all know the uber class  has such wonderful moral values.</p>
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		<title>By: iflydaplanes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/09/26/cracking-down-on-job-candidate-credit-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-31494</link>
		<dc:creator>iflydaplanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 02:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...by using credit checks in its application process for entry-level jobs, Bank of America excluded 11.5% of African-American applicants, but only 6.6% of white applicants.&quot;

Oh now that is just playing on sterotypes isn&#039;t it?  Is that to say BoA is racist and purposely did credit checks to exclude more African-Americans than whites?  How did BoA know what the reports results would be?  But well I guess we still gotta throw race in there somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;by using credit checks in its application process for entry-level jobs, Bank of America excluded 11.5% of African-American applicants, but only 6.6% of white applicants.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh now that is just playing on sterotypes isn&#8217;t it?  Is that to say BoA is racist and purposely did credit checks to exclude more African-Americans than whites?  How did BoA know what the reports results would be?  But well I guess we still gotta throw race in there somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: y2kurtus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/09/26/cracking-down-on-job-candidate-credit-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-31337</link>
		<dc:creator>y2kurtus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 01:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ChrisMaresca I work at a mutually owned community bank in Maine... not exactly a corporate monster. We are owned collectively by our customers... no stockholders public or private. As such our primary motivation as a company is to serve our community&#039;s needs... not to maximize our profits or even our growth. The reason we can and do perform background checks on our new hirers is that we need to make sure we hire responsible people. If you don&#039;t pay your bills we can&#039;t have you processing other peoples bills. If you&#039;ve got a coupld DUI&#039;s on your personal driving record I doubt a trucking company wants you manning one of their 80,000 pound 18 wheelers. In my state someone with over 20 moving violations on their licence plowed into a young mother&#039;s car and killed her about 10 years ago. It was on the basis of that incident that my state passed a law to check the driving records of ALL licenced truckers. 

@TGGP. I am not a lawyer either but I can tell you exactly why Cali&#039;s proposed law won&#039;t stand up. The first ammendment; it&#039;s a free speech issue. Remember you do not HAVE to allow a company to check your credit or your driving record. You&#039;re granting them permission in writing when you apply. Pass a law making that illegal and you just denied me my right to demonstrate to a prospective employer that I am a highly ethical and dependable person making it harder for me to differentiate myself from other applicants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ChrisMaresca I work at a mutually owned community bank in Maine&#8230; not exactly a corporate monster. We are owned collectively by our customers&#8230; no stockholders public or private. As such our primary motivation as a company is to serve our community&#8217;s needs&#8230; not to maximize our profits or even our growth. The reason we can and do perform background checks on our new hirers is that we need to make sure we hire responsible people. If you don&#8217;t pay your bills we can&#8217;t have you processing other peoples bills. If you&#8217;ve got a coupld DUI&#8217;s on your personal driving record I doubt a trucking company wants you manning one of their 80,000 pound 18 wheelers. In my state someone with over 20 moving violations on their licence plowed into a young mother&#8217;s car and killed her about 10 years ago. It was on the basis of that incident that my state passed a law to check the driving records of ALL licenced truckers. </p>
<p>@TGGP. I am not a lawyer either but I can tell you exactly why Cali&#8217;s proposed law won&#8217;t stand up. The first ammendment; it&#8217;s a free speech issue. Remember you do not HAVE to allow a company to check your credit or your driving record. You&#8217;re granting them permission in writing when you apply. Pass a law making that illegal and you just denied me my right to demonstrate to a prospective employer that I am a highly ethical and dependable person making it harder for me to differentiate myself from other applicants.</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/09/26/cracking-down-on-job-candidate-credit-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-31329</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>y2kurtus, I&#039;m no lawyer, but I can&#039;t just accept your claims. Can you cite any example of similar laws being ruled unconstitutional?

ChrisMaresca, he said &quot;If I&#039;m an employer&quot;, so it&#039;s entirely possible he is not an employer and was just speaking hypothetically. Also, again I reiterate my suggestion that people who think these companies are just incompetent have a big profit opportunity. But I don&#039;t expect anyone to try to take advantage of that opportunity, because I don&#039;t think ANY OF YOU REALLY BELIEVE that the information you want to ban is COMPLETELY UNINFORMATIVE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>y2kurtus, I&#8217;m no lawyer, but I can&#8217;t just accept your claims. Can you cite any example of similar laws being ruled unconstitutional?</p>
<p>ChrisMaresca, he said &#8220;If I&#8217;m an employer&#8221;, so it&#8217;s entirely possible he is not an employer and was just speaking hypothetically. Also, again I reiterate my suggestion that people who think these companies are just incompetent have a big profit opportunity. But I don&#8217;t expect anyone to try to take advantage of that opportunity, because I don&#8217;t think ANY OF YOU REALLY BELIEVE that the information you want to ban is COMPLETELY UNINFORMATIVE.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisMaresca</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/09/26/cracking-down-on-job-candidate-credit-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-31324</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisMaresca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>y2kurtus, why don&#039;t you tell us where you work so we can avoid doing business with companies that view everyone and everything with deep suspicion?

You&#039;re not going to?  Yeah, didn&#039;t think so.  Might say too much about your company&#039;s attitude towards it&#039;s customers.

And majkmushrm is right, HR is just lazy and generally incompetent. Between this, checkbox requirements and computerized candidate systems, they devised a perfect way to avoid taking any responsibility for a bad hire.  It also explains why unemployment is so high....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>y2kurtus, why don&#8217;t you tell us where you work so we can avoid doing business with companies that view everyone and everything with deep suspicion?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not going to?  Yeah, didn&#8217;t think so.  Might say too much about your company&#8217;s attitude towards it&#8217;s customers.</p>
<p>And majkmushrm is right, HR is just lazy and generally incompetent. Between this, checkbox requirements and computerized candidate systems, they devised a perfect way to avoid taking any responsibility for a bad hire.  It also explains why unemployment is so high&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: y2kurtus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/09/26/cracking-down-on-job-candidate-credit-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-31314</link>
		<dc:creator>y2kurtus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 00:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>California can go right ahead and pass that law... it will last about 6 months before it&#039;s ruled unconstitutional. 

If I&#039;m an employer I have every right to your credit history, your driving history, and in many cases I can test your urine to see if you enjoy snorting cocaine in your leasure time. I don&#039;t have a right to your medical records (unless you&#039;re a pilot) and I can&#039;t ask who you voted for. We have several protected classes in this country... deadbeats and criminals are still fair game. 

If you don&#039;t like those rules or feel that my company dosen&#039;t have the right to invade your privacy then start your own business... this is still the land of opportunity afterall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California can go right ahead and pass that law&#8230; it will last about 6 months before it&#8217;s ruled unconstitutional. </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m an employer I have every right to your credit history, your driving history, and in many cases I can test your urine to see if you enjoy snorting cocaine in your leasure time. I don&#8217;t have a right to your medical records (unless you&#8217;re a pilot) and I can&#8217;t ask who you voted for. We have several protected classes in this country&#8230; deadbeats and criminals are still fair game. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like those rules or feel that my company dosen&#8217;t have the right to invade your privacy then start your own business&#8230; this is still the land of opportunity afterall.</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/09/26/cracking-down-on-job-candidate-credit-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-31302</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 20:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curmudgeon, you note that hiring is difficult. And so that implies we should make it more difficult by prohibiting employers from making use of one source of information? In an economy where hiring is already very depressed and employers are particularly apt to just give up on expansion and hiring? I really don&#039;t understand the logic you&#039;re using.

I understand that the plight of the unemployed and doubly unfortunate through bad credit scores is a terrible thing. But if we as a society want to remedy that, isn&#039;t it society (or at least tax-payers) as a whole that should seek to remedy that through some form of subsidy? Prohibiting the use of information just leads to deadweight loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curmudgeon, you note that hiring is difficult. And so that implies we should make it more difficult by prohibiting employers from making use of one source of information? In an economy where hiring is already very depressed and employers are particularly apt to just give up on expansion and hiring? I really don&#8217;t understand the logic you&#8217;re using.</p>
<p>I understand that the plight of the unemployed and doubly unfortunate through bad credit scores is a terrible thing. But if we as a society want to remedy that, isn&#8217;t it society (or at least tax-payers) as a whole that should seek to remedy that through some form of subsidy? Prohibiting the use of information just leads to deadweight loss.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnetteR</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnnetteR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely outrageous. Total infringement on privacy and for that to be legal is disgusting, completely unethical behaviour by employers and just wouldn&#039;t be allowed to happen in the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely outrageous. Total infringement on privacy and for that to be legal is disgusting, completely unethical behaviour by employers and just wouldn&#8217;t be allowed to happen in the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: BarbaraKiviat</title>
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		<dc:creator>BarbaraKiviat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 00:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting conversation. Thanks for the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting conversation. Thanks for the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/09/26/cracking-down-on-job-candidate-credit-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-31272</link>
		<dc:creator>Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Credit checks, and background checks in general make it easier for employers not to hire a given person.  That&#039;s because employers delude themselves into believing that they can make the perfect hire, whatever that is.

They want to do that because, yes, it can be difficult legally to fire for cause.  But they really do it because hiring the right person is a difficult interpersonal skill, and one which few managers have successfully mastered.  Rather than training managers in that skill, and affording them practice and the opportunity to fail, employers would rather complain that they can&#039;t find the right people, whoever they are.

Hiring is difficult.  Get over it.  Train hiring managers, and give them the freedom to fail and learn the right lessons from it.  Don&#039;t be a wimp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credit checks, and background checks in general make it easier for employers not to hire a given person.  That&#8217;s because employers delude themselves into believing that they can make the perfect hire, whatever that is.</p>
<p>They want to do that because, yes, it can be difficult legally to fire for cause.  But they really do it because hiring the right person is a difficult interpersonal skill, and one which few managers have successfully mastered.  Rather than training managers in that skill, and affording them practice and the opportunity to fail, employers would rather complain that they can&#8217;t find the right people, whoever they are.</p>
<p>Hiring is difficult.  Get over it.  Train hiring managers, and give them the freedom to fail and learn the right lessons from it.  Don&#8217;t be a wimp.</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet there are countless other criteria employer&#039;s use to judge candidates that have yet to be demonstrated to the satisfaction of legislatures as reliable. My take is that if other folks think a business is failing to act in a way that makes more money, they should try doing a better job! Nowhere do I see a &quot;market failure&quot; argument for why the interests of a firm diverge from the interests of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet there are countless other criteria employer&#8217;s use to judge candidates that have yet to be demonstrated to the satisfaction of legislatures as reliable. My take is that if other folks think a business is failing to act in a way that makes more money, they should try doing a better job! Nowhere do I see a &#8220;market failure&#8221; argument for why the interests of a firm diverge from the interests of society.</p>
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		<title>By: Josiah_Bartlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josiah_Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more information they can access, the more reasons they can use legaly to cover illegal employment decisions.

Too old ?  Well overqualified is a bit dicey now but a bad/weak credit report does the job just fine.  Fill in the blanks, just use bad credit and you&#039;re covered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more information they can access, the more reasons they can use legaly to cover illegal employment decisions.</p>
<p>Too old ?  Well overqualified is a bit dicey now but a bad/weak credit report does the job just fine.  Fill in the blanks, just use bad credit and you&#8217;re covered.</p>
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		<title>By: majkmushrm</title>
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		<dc:creator>majkmushrm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These state efforts need to be spread across the country and expanded to prevent companies from demanding personal and irrelevant information. Company HR departments (who are (a) notorious liars and (b) lazy to boot) are simply looking for some way to be able to automatically eliminate candidates and avoid doing as much work as possible. Weather or not a given piece of information is a valid criterion for predicting future performance is generally intuitively obvious. Credit scores are driven by factors that are almost totally and completely unrelated to employment as well as factors that are outside the control of the individual (if too many companies are requesting your credit rating, it goes down, for example). The idea that your credit rating could predict criminal behavior is mind boggling.

Unfortunately, this kind of garbage goes beyond credit ratings. Some employers want access to your driving record as we discovered when my wife was going to do some temporary work for a company. Now, if you&#039;re applying to be a driver for a company, knowing your driving record is relevant and important. My wife, on the other hand, is an IT professional who does database manipulation and interface design. Her driving record is irrelevant to the quality of work she can do. What makes this even more egregious is that she&#039;s not a twenty something with little work experience. She&#039;s been doing this stuff for 40 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These state efforts need to be spread across the country and expanded to prevent companies from demanding personal and irrelevant information. Company HR departments (who are (a) notorious liars and (b) lazy to boot) are simply looking for some way to be able to automatically eliminate candidates and avoid doing as much work as possible. Weather or not a given piece of information is a valid criterion for predicting future performance is generally intuitively obvious. Credit scores are driven by factors that are almost totally and completely unrelated to employment as well as factors that are outside the control of the individual (if too many companies are requesting your credit rating, it goes down, for example). The idea that your credit rating could predict criminal behavior is mind boggling.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this kind of garbage goes beyond credit ratings. Some employers want access to your driving record as we discovered when my wife was going to do some temporary work for a company. Now, if you&#8217;re applying to be a driver for a company, knowing your driving record is relevant and important. My wife, on the other hand, is an IT professional who does database manipulation and interface design. Her driving record is irrelevant to the quality of work she can do. What makes this even more egregious is that she&#8217;s not a twenty something with little work experience. She&#8217;s been doing this stuff for 40 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Paperbackwriter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paperbackwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are they kidding? I had a 720 credit rating before losing my job in 2009. I know that I have been turned down for jobs because of my fico score. We as a nation have to start treating these issues with human decision making rather than allowing a score to dictate whether you get to be homeless or not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are they kidding? I had a 720 credit rating before losing my job in 2009. I know that I have been turned down for jobs because of my fico score. We as a nation have to start treating these issues with human decision making rather than allowing a score to dictate whether you get to be homeless or not!</p>
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