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	<title>Comments on: How poverty has tracked global population</title>
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	<description>A slice of lime in the soda</description>
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		<title>By: Marvinlee</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/10/31/how-poverty-has-tracked-global-population/comment-page-1/#comment-33244</link>
		<dc:creator>Marvinlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2011 01:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am happy that we have had a time span where both population and some form of prosperity have coexisted. No one should assume that this relationship is an eternal verity.  Our planetary population growth will continue to exert rising pressure on finite natural resources.  We can all hope that the future will bring economic gains equal or exceeding population growth.  But no natural law guarantees this, and we now have a decades-long failure to make the early promise of unlimited cheap nuclear power come true.  A list of known problems--global climate change, depletion of fertilizer natural resources, etc., have conspired to raise food costs and render more nations dependent on imported food.  At the least we should strive to enable individuals to have the means to choose whether or not to procreate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am happy that we have had a time span where both population and some form of prosperity have coexisted. No one should assume that this relationship is an eternal verity.  Our planetary population growth will continue to exert rising pressure on finite natural resources.  We can all hope that the future will bring economic gains equal or exceeding population growth.  But no natural law guarantees this, and we now have a decades-long failure to make the early promise of unlimited cheap nuclear power come true.  A list of known problems&#8211;global climate change, depletion of fertilizer natural resources, etc., have conspired to raise food costs and render more nations dependent on imported food.  At the least we should strive to enable individuals to have the means to choose whether or not to procreate.</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/10/31/how-poverty-has-tracked-global-population/comment-page-1/#comment-32573</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 03:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are not mouths to feed, but minds to unlock. The human mind is the greatest natural resource the world has ever seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are not mouths to feed, but minds to unlock. The human mind is the greatest natural resource the world has ever seen.</p>
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		<title>By: TFF</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/10/31/how-poverty-has-tracked-global-population/comment-page-1/#comment-32572</link>
		<dc:creator>TFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 01:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>y2kurtus is correct, if technology fails to advance within the next few generations. There are many plausible ways to produce cheap energy -- even cheaper and cleaner than what we have today. They are not presently technologically feasible, but that could change given time and effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>y2kurtus is correct, if technology fails to advance within the next few generations. There are many plausible ways to produce cheap energy &#8212; even cheaper and cleaner than what we have today. They are not presently technologically feasible, but that could change given time and effort.</p>
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		<title>By: y2kurtus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/10/31/how-poverty-has-tracked-global-population/comment-page-1/#comment-32571</link>
		<dc:creator>y2kurtus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 01:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;there’s nothing Malthusian going on here.&quot;

YET. 

Unfortunately Felix the price of a stock trading at 5 times sales and 80 times earnings can still go up further. The problem is if sales and earnings do not continue the explosive growth that justified the huge multiples you eventually get a crash in all cases. It is the same with us I am afraid. Cheap energy is a drug more powerful and addictive than any narcotic. I do not belive an energy crash will happen in my lifetime but I do belive it will happen within a few generations. 

Best hopes for our species to become the first in earth&#039;s history to self regulate its population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;there’s nothing Malthusian going on here.&#8221;</p>
<p>YET. </p>
<p>Unfortunately Felix the price of a stock trading at 5 times sales and 80 times earnings can still go up further. The problem is if sales and earnings do not continue the explosive growth that justified the huge multiples you eventually get a crash in all cases. It is the same with us I am afraid. Cheap energy is a drug more powerful and addictive than any narcotic. I do not belive an energy crash will happen in my lifetime but I do belive it will happen within a few generations. </p>
<p>Best hopes for our species to become the first in earth&#8217;s history to self regulate its population.</p>
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		<title>By: KenG_CA</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/10/31/how-poverty-has-tracked-global-population/comment-page-1/#comment-32565</link>
		<dc:creator>KenG_CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So somebody making $2.50/day isn&#039;t in extreme, dire, freakin&#039; poverty?  The middle extends from $3650/yr to $36,500 year?

It&#039;s reports like this that make statistics seem meaningless.  Since a dollar is not like a second or a meter in that its value is not only constantly changing, but is relative to other currencies, it seems useless to measure poverty in dollar terms.  I&#039;d rather see what percentage of the world has access to clean water, enough calories per day, shelter from the elements, and education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So somebody making $2.50/day isn&#8217;t in extreme, dire, freakin&#8217; poverty?  The middle extends from $3650/yr to $36,500 year?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s reports like this that make statistics seem meaningless.  Since a dollar is not like a second or a meter in that its value is not only constantly changing, but is relative to other currencies, it seems useless to measure poverty in dollar terms.  I&#8217;d rather see what percentage of the world has access to clean water, enough calories per day, shelter from the elements, and education.</p>
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		<title>By: handleym</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/10/31/how-poverty-has-tracked-global-population/comment-page-1/#comment-32563</link>
		<dc:creator>handleym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But the big picture is clear: there’s nothing Malthusian going on here.&quot;

Oh Felix, this is a comment beyond inane. 
What&#039;s managed to create this situation is OIL. The same oil that is running out --- and may well trash the climate in many places just before it does run out. 
Do you seriously think we can maintain the current population (kept fed by, eg, massive irrigation and nitrogen fertilizers) when the cheap energy ends?

The whole POINT of the messages of people like Ehrlich was to try to manage the situation, so that when the oil ends we have transitioned to a sustainable alternative. But that ship has sailed, and the only real question now is, when the oil ends, does the die-off occur through famine or nuclear weapons. 
And this stupid --- and (once up on a time preventable) --- state of affairs has arisen precisely because of fools who think they are being clever by mocking Malthus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But the big picture is clear: there’s nothing Malthusian going on here.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh Felix, this is a comment beyond inane.<br />
What&#8217;s managed to create this situation is OIL. The same oil that is running out &#8212; and may well trash the climate in many places just before it does run out.<br />
Do you seriously think we can maintain the current population (kept fed by, eg, massive irrigation and nitrogen fertilizers) when the cheap energy ends?</p>
<p>The whole POINT of the messages of people like Ehrlich was to try to manage the situation, so that when the oil ends we have transitioned to a sustainable alternative. But that ship has sailed, and the only real question now is, when the oil ends, does the die-off occur through famine or nuclear weapons.<br />
And this stupid &#8212; and (once up on a time preventable) &#8212; state of affairs has arisen precisely because of fools who think they are being clever by mocking Malthus.</p>
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		<title>By: GPSO</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/10/31/how-poverty-has-tracked-global-population/comment-page-1/#comment-32562</link>
		<dc:creator>GPSO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about other species? This is all anthropocentric and nothing but. What about environment?
http://www.populationspeakout.org/pledges</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about other species? This is all anthropocentric and nothing but. What about environment?<br />
<a href='http://www.populationspeakout.org/pledges'>http://www.populationspeakout.org/pledge s</a></p>
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